All these things that you list are prone to, misinterpretation, potential change regarding how things worked in the past, and circular referencing.
The Bible record is a record set down in the power of God, and in eye witness record. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that it hasn't changed in over 2000 years.
The Bible is prone to misinterpretation, potential change regarding how things worked in the past, and circular referencing. Those things are science and they work, medicine works and it's useful, physics work and are useful, most technology we have today is thanks to those sciences. If you want to deny all of them come up with a better argument than ''prone to, misinterpretation, potential change'' because that doesn't do it.
Eye witness are better than science? Give me a break hahaha you are hilarious sometimes, one of the main causes of wrongful convictions is eyewitness miss-identifications. The bible also has like 30 different versions through out time.
The Bible says what it says. Understand what you can understand. Believe it all.
People are prone to misinterpreting everything.
Only 30 versions? I think that if you check out BibleGateway you will find a lot more than 30 versions. And these aren't all of them.
There is only 1 version of the original. After all, the guys who wrote the Bible didn't make two different copies of what they wrote; not even Jeremiah when he rewrote what King Zedekiah burned.
Eye witnesses are way better than than the fiction that often passes for science these days.
The bible is not responsible for having medicine today or cars or planes or any other thing that you can think of. All of those things exist thanks to science and smart people who use science. The bible is a worthless book and even religious people know it. You go to a hospital if you are sick because that's how you get cured, there are no praying hospitals where you go there and expect to get healed thanks to prayer because it doesn't work. You can be ignorant and deny science as much as you want to fit your stupid beliefs but don't spread your bullshit to other people.
God is responsible for the Bible. God is also "responsible for having medicine today" and "cars" and "planes" and every "other thing that you can think of." Of course, where there is evil involved, God is the Great Giver... Who is giving us the things that we ask for. But even though it is evil, He is giving it in the perfect, righteous way.
Watch out! You are going to get the evil you are asking for from God, even if your asking is inadvertent, or your wanting of evil is.
You are just rambling about other things. I presented clear evidence of how almost all sciences show that the earth/universe is older than 6000 years old and some of them depend on those measurements. You can't just comment, nah they are all wrong. You have to prove they are wrong and you won't because they are not, they work, as I said previously and they are applied to everything. It's not their fault you are too delusional to accept it and that you would deny 99% of science just to make satisfy your crazy beliefs.
Evidence is great stuff.
All the evidence for billions of years is:
1. Theory... not know to be factual;
2. Not attested to as fact by the scientists who propose it;
3. Circular referencing;
4. Only attested to as fact by those in the media or those who have an "old earth" agenda;
5. Can be applied in ways that show the opposite of old earth.
Look it up to see that what I am saying is true.
The Bible, on the other hand, is definite eye witness references.
Who are you going to believe? The scientists who admit by their limiting words (such as: if, maybe, chances are, probably, etc.), or the Bible witnesses who don't have any limiting words?
Believe both! The scientists show by their limiting words that they don't know. The Bible witnesses show by their definite report that they do know. Believe them both.
The earth is less than 6,200 years old.
1. A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can, in accordance with the scientific method, be repeatedly tested, using a predefined protocol of observations and experiments.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and are a comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.
2. ?
3. Like what
4. Same thing can be applied to religious people
5. Like what
''is definite eye witness references. '' And you know that, how? I don't have to believe anything because all these methods can be tested. I could test them by myself actually, I could study each method individually and test things by myself. Science is not belief.
^^^ 1. Notice that there is nothing that says that science theory is fact.
^^^ 2. Scientists, themselves, use qualifying language (if, maybe, possible, probable) showing things are not fact.
^^^ 3. & 5. Things like BB theory and evolution theory and relativity theory, etc.
^^^ 4. Thank you for your agreement.
Hebrew tradition along with the fact that there were only superficial changes to the Bible over at least 2000 years, along with the miracles of Moses, etc., being attested to as fact, along with the strength in the numbers of hand-written copies from ancient times, along with nothing having been proven false, along with the scientific proof that God exists, along with the history of the way the Bible came together... all shows that the Bible is truth.
Things don't come together the way the Bible did without some miraculous hand of God making it happen. Those eye witness reports stand solid.
1. There is nothing factual, nothing can be 100% factual, you are discarding all science because it doesn't say it's a fact? Sometimes you amaze me. I guess computers aren't a fact either and all the other technologies by your definition.
2.
they can't use words now?3. Like what exactly
4. ok?
Who cares if there are only superficial changes, that would only mean that the bible hasn't changed since it was written, that doesn't mean it's truth lol. How are the miracles of moses attested as fact? hahaha plenty of things have been proven wrong in the bible : http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
''along with the history of the way the Bible came together.'' Don't know what that means but nothing of what you said proves the bible is factual.
You are wrong. Factual things are factual. Evolution has been proven to not be fact, over and over. That is one of the things that is factual. Nice sci-fi theory. But proven not factual, over and over.
You didn't answer any of the other questions, you giving up finally on your stupid crusade? Factual things are factual - badecker 2017
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
What crusade. Anybody who examines evolution from the standpoint of a clear mind, can see that there is nothing factual about it. All the factual things that some people apply to evolution, can be applied to creation as well, in a different way. Evolution just plain doesn't work.
Anybody who studies evolution can see that is backed by more than 20 different sciences. Creation hasn't been applied to anything, evolution has. Creation has been around for 6000 years and yet no one has been able to use it for anything, the bible which is supposedly the word of god contains nothing useful for scientists throughout time. Evolution has been around for a few years only and it has already been successfully applied to many different things. You don't pray and wait for god to heal you when you are sick, you go to a hospital. There is nothing useful about the bible, god or any other religion, they are all useless. We are here thanks to a few smart people and thanks to science and the scientific method. You can keep believing in whatever you want to believe but at the end of the day, people that study medicine, physics, math and other useful things are the ones who are making the whole world advance and progress, not priests, not bishops, not the pope.
God could have made the bible useful if he really existed, instead : http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors the only thing you find in the bible are errors.
Except that evolution isn't factual. That's why they call it the theory of evolution. None of the sciences show enough to prove evolution to be factual.
On top of that, evolution would have to overcome the things that show that it is impossible, like probability math, and Irreducible complexity, for example.
Seems like you are trying to keep the evolution hoax going. Why? Do you have a financial stake in it like so many university profs?
It's called theory because that's how scientists call things, no one calls anything the fact of evolution or the fact of gravity or the fact of physics.
Irreducible complexity already debunked and I showed you: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI102.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-simplest-way-to-debunk-irreducible-complexity-to-an-evolution-denier
You can find more by googling it.
Math:
http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/can_probability_theory_be_used_to_refute_evolution_part_one
http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2012/01/does-probability-refute-evolution/
http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/evolution/probability.php
As I said, your inability to accept that evolution is true doesn't make it false. Evolution is a fact and the theory of evolution explains it. As I said evolution works and it's applied to numerous things, creationism doesnt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory
http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wp3Awd3MIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLeztJkhi4U
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/evolution-is-just-a-theory/
Not to mention all the errors the bible contains:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Problem-of-the-Bible-Inaccuracies-contradictions-fallacies-scientific-issues-and-more-20120517
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
