Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 21. (Read 108046 times)
I believe in the theory of evolution because to prove it they have observed a generation evolving into an improved one. but instead, they modified a DNA and started a new generation with it. so it worked in one direction. but I have seen many people who do not believe in the theory of evolution and yet they believe in god. stating that God made humans and monkeys.
^^^ Exactly what I have been saying about evolution. The theory is the concept. Evolution itself does not exist that anyone has found.
When people state that evolution is fact but know it isn't, they have turned it into a hoax.
When people state that evolution is fact but know it isn't, they have turned it into a hoax.
And yet at the same time you also typed senseless sentences like ''C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed.'' Do you agree that your sentence is wrong / senseless?
^^^ Exactly what I have been saying about evolution. The theory is the concept. Evolution itself does not exist that anyone has found.
When people state that evolution is fact but know it isn't, they have turned it into a hoax.
When people state that evolution is fact but know it isn't, they have turned it into a hoax.
^^^ There's another of your concepts that doesn't exist. Evolution, also, is a concept that doesn't exist. Do you exist, or are you simply a concept that doesn't exist? 
Concept: numbers
Physical object: glass
You can say glass didn't exist in xxxx
You cannot say numbers didn't exist in xxxx because numbers are a concept.
It's quite simple to understand really.
^^^ There's another of your concepts that doesn't exist. Evolution, also, is a concept that doesn't exist. Do you exist, or are you simply a concept that doesn't exist?
^^^ LOL! At least notbatman has a lot of stuff to back up what he says. If you really think that concepts don't exist, then you haven seen or heard or thought of any concepts.
As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.
As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.
As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.
Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!
As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.
As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.
As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.
Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!
Yep, you are dumb
^^^ LOL! At least notbatman has a lot of stuff to back up what he says. If you really think that concepts don't exist, then you haven seen or heard or thought of any concepts.
As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.
As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.
As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.
Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!
As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.
As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.
As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.
Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!
It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.
Because you say it?
There aren't any mankind-understanding choices before the universe existed. This doesn't mean that there weren't choices in God. God-choices are different than man-choices, and do not even fall into the category of choices. If God-choices were like man-choices, the universe would have been here already... at least in the basic form that it is in.
C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed. At least not in any way mankind can understand. Why? Because mankind understands according to things of the universe, because he is an integral part of the universe. Or do you have evidence that he isn't? Even science agrees that he is.
Get over it. What existed "before" the universe is utterly and entirely outside of our understanding and thinking. No random, no non-random, no C&E, no non-C&E, no before.
God, having created the universe, is the First Cause, "before" there were any effects. God, entirely different than man before the universe was created. God, having interjected himself into the universe after creating it, in the form of Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and rise again, to save us from our mistakes... mistakes like thinking universe stuff can apply outside of the universe.
Evolution isn't only a hoax. It's sheer stupidity.
''C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed.'' C&E and randomness are concepts dummy, they never existed or exist in a physical form, are you dumb? It's like saying maths didn't exist before the universe was created, pointless, do you even understand what you are saying?? ...
It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.
Because you say it?
There aren't any mankind-understanding choices before the universe existed. This doesn't mean that there weren't choices in God. God-choices are different than man-choices, and do not even fall into the category of choices. If God-choices were like man-choices, the universe would have been here already... at least in the basic form that it is in.
C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed. At least not in any way mankind can understand. Why? Because mankind understands according to things of the universe, because he is an integral part of the universe. Or do you have evidence that he isn't? Even science agrees that he is.
Get over it. What existed "before" the universe is utterly and entirely outside of our understanding and thinking. No random, no non-random, no C&E, no non-C&E, no before.
God, having created the universe, is the First Cause, "before" there were any effects. God, entirely different than man before the universe was created. God, having interjected himself into the universe after creating it, in the form of Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and rise again, to save us from our mistakes... mistakes like thinking universe stuff can apply outside of the universe.
Evolution isn't only a hoax. It's sheer stupidity.
^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?
''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.
If you limit God to having a cause or being random, you are essentially stating that you know way more than all of science will be able to find out over the next thousand years.
It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.
^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?
''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.
If you limit God to having a cause or being random, you are essentially stating that you know way more than all of science will be able to find out over the next thousand years.
^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?
''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.
Evolution is our best guess as to how the universe evolved. We see it every day - we control it. 
^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.
So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.
God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?
^^^ God tells us in the Bible that He did creation in a very non-random way. No random. So, even if you don't believe in the Bible, random is just a guess.
It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.
What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.
Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.
Evolution is a hoax.
It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.
What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.
Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.
Evolution is a hoax.
Ugh, you always vomit sentences that have nothing to do with anything.
Your argument is that true randomness doesn't exist because everything has a cause and you can track it back to that cause, however, the ultimate cause of everything is god, right? But the cause of god is unknown or it has no cause at all and so, true randomness does exist, god is true randomness and he created everything, everything else is random as well because the first cause of everything has no cause.
^^^ God tells us in the Bible that He did creation in a very non-random way. No random. So, even if you don't believe in the Bible, random is just a guess.
It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.
What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.
Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.
Evolution is a hoax.
It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.
What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.
Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.
Evolution is a hoax.
^^^ What? You haven't figure out that science barely has anything that they know. You can tell by all the volumes of paperwork they spew out about theories.
C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.
God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.
Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.
C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.
God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.
Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.
God could have made the universe any way he wanted and that cause cannot be tracked back ever because it's random, therefore everything else is also random since the first cause of everything is caused by a random cause (god) You are so stupid that you don't even realize your own argument self defeats.
^^^ What? You haven't figure out that science barely has anything that they know. You can tell by all the volumes of paperwork they spew out about theories.
C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.
God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.
Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.
C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.
God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.
Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.
^^^ Come on, now! You know that C&E shows us that there isn't any random.
Evolution is a hoax.
Evolution is a hoax.
We are back to the same old shit that was already debunked several times. C&E doesn't exist in Science. Only newton's 3rd law exists which states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. ''Cause and effect'' is something you made up to try and justify your beliefs, then again, you also claim God doesn't need C&E and at the same time you think there is no randomness but god himself has to be random, otherwise he would be affected by Cause and Effect.
^^^ Come on, now! You know that C&E shows us that there isn't any random.
Evolution is a hoax.
Evolution is a hoax.
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