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Topic: eXch - instant exchange BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20 - page 6. (Read 28362 times)

legendary
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Ask BingX exchange. If they believe Bitcoin isn't fungible, use a different exchange.
Did you ask this questions exchanges you are using yourself?  Wink
It's cool to ignore this exists, but most centralized exchanges have this ''bitcoin score'' for a while now.

You are right, but unfortunately we now have to live with this “taint” because we couldn't beat it.
There is always alternative way to cash out without kyc centralized exchanges, using PeachBitcoin, Bisq, Robosats, etc.

Meanwhile, we at eXch continue standing by open and neutral Internet and cryptocurrency, having honesty and transparency as our key principles.
Long live eXch.
We should have more bitcoin services following your good example.
newbie
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But I would also like to see a response from an eXch rep or support.

Hi, we confirm that you can use coins from our BTC Aggregated pool on BingX.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
Interestingly enough, that specific small exchanger that started public hate campaign against us in their thread, has its origins on the forum called "Zelenka" where they have a public security deposit [...]

Well noted ... I noticed this detail about a month ago as well [1]  Tongue

Quote from: icopress's response to The Change Ltd
Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP (moderators are asking you to send a screenshot of your IP address). I also do not consider your second Escrow reliable, since I do not see that multi-signature was used. In addition, the conditions specified for receiving compensation are also slippery (including a 14-day period ... which is extremely short). Not to mention the point about KYC.
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aliveNFT.github.io | Track your love.
We have noticed that one forum representative of a recently born exchanger named something like "The Change LTD" openly called us criminals and dishonest in their recent

For all those who want to see where it all came from. GO HERE
the accusations by The Change Ltd. reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of what truly drives success in the non-KYC exchange field. Their eagerness to call exch as 'criminal' or 'dishonest' only underscores the gap between exch's established success and their own struggles.
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How constant success of eXch distracts competitors from focusing on their own business leading them to failure

We have noticed that one forum representative of a recently born exchanger named something like "The Change LTD" openly called us criminals and dishonest in their recent thread posts. We were actively monitoring progress of that particular exchanger during all its journey on Bitcointalk, from the launch of their marketing campaign to its end, wishing them to succeed because we don't like the fact we are the only centralized full non-KYC exchange around and we actively hope to get a decent competitors, which unfortunately didn't happen yet.

That exchanger from the neighbor subforum is a perfect example of a how to not do this business, since problems always come when such projects aiming to bring eXch some competition while failing to learn and understand the very basic keys to success in this business.

Three fundamental principles that help eXch to be what it is now are honesty, transparency and high standards in information security. We think that if a non-KYC exchanger lacks at least one of these, it shouldn't even think to join this business, because without these the project won't bring anything useful to the industry but will only make it worse because weak projects that lack or don't defend their ideologies often become victims of the regulatory pressure (i.e. corrupt practices of Ciphertrace that we will expose in one of our next posts). This is what exactly happened with that project who indirectly called us names in an apparent moment of frustration and failure.

That project adopted the strategy of relying on third-party exchanges hoping they will be able to get any significant audience/volume while deciding to team with guys that teach and indoctrinate their downstreams anti-crypto ideology.

Their new partners WhiteBit/AMLBot take dishonesty and disrespect towards crypto users as their key life principles, slowly contributing to destruction of neutral and decentralized cryptocurrency market.

WhiteBit/AMLBot while being criminals themselves with having funds sourced from russian carding projects and doing wash trading artificially pumping their WBT token to exorbitant heights using fraudulent practices, present themselves as visionaries of "clean" cryptocurrency that, in their opinion, do the good to "clean this space from cybercriminals" (that are in reality just innocent CoinJoin/privacy protocols users) by freezing its users and its partners users coins right and left without users being able even to have it back. They use various sets of AML/KYC policies to falsely accuse users of being criminals, having their partner AMLBot randomly marking addresses as high-risk up to their judgement without employing any transparency.

WhiteBit/AMLBot onboard small exchangers that need liquidity, like one the subject of this post, and start to indoctrinate them in their focused Telegram groups on what's good and what's evil consistently with their own interpretation of it, which basically consists of assuming any business/user that doesn't want to KYC their users/peers is evil criminal.

Interestingly enough, that specific small exchanger that started public hate campaign against us in their thread, has its origins on the forum called "Zelenka" where they have a public security deposit - a forum where a significant part of the russian cybercrime scene reside, sharing botnet/C2 related tools and exploits all over it. eXch has never advertised on cybercrime-oriented or darknet forums nor participated in illegal activities, but yet, that small exchanger called eXch criminals while most probably having criminal background themselves, given the nature of their origin forum.

Secondly, on calling eXch dishonest about its volumes. Anyone who thinks our volumes are exaggerated or unreal probably doesn't understand how we operate and how much effort we put into our operation, having as a return the necessary volume being made by our users which is necessary for any exchange that operates with its own liquidity. Our loyal users know very well that we were able to get from 50 BTC of base investment into 400 BTC of self-sustained liquidity just in less than 2 years (a) WITHOUT scamming a single user and (b) WITHOUT having to lie about our project operations to the general public. The only third-party we use is the decentralized Thorchain network that does not employ nonsense funds screening techniques (yet) and that is necessary for us to rebalance our liquidity. Apart from that, we do not rely on anyone but our own pools of wallets. We have provided our full proof of reserves many times. We are a cryptocurrency exchange in a full meaning of it.

Others who try to copy us or that lost their users because they now prefer eXch fail to understand what a proper business model consists of and at the end of day get blinded by their hate to us because they lack sufficient knowledge to deploy operational model like eXch has and team up with wrong guys like WhiteBit/AMLBot who make their situation even worse because of constant brainwashing and false prophecy.

Sometimes it's quite sad to see projects with potential chosing wrong path leading to their failure, which apparently still a reason we don't have any honorable competitor yet up to this date (ChangeNow and FixedFloat don't count since they are dishonest and continue to scam their users, thus many stay away from them already).

Meanwhile, we at eXch continue standing by open and neutral Internet and cryptocurrency, having honesty and transparency as our key principles.

And if anybody is curious on what we consider a big no-no, these are:

- ChatGPT for public communication
- calling your custodial wallet/exchange "non-custodial"
- having and promoting AML/KYC policies while lacking any understanding on them;
- relying on bad AML providers like AMLBot and promoting AML/KYC terrorism
- using "anonymity" and "privacy" terms in marketing and announcements without any practical realization of them
- reselling major CEX via API as a primary business model and complying to their AML/KYC policies without being transparent about it with your users
- assuming any of your customers who prefer to use coinjoin or other privacy tech are criminals
- giving a reason to other exchanges who promote AML/KYC terrorism
- bad infosec practices and lack of knowledge in the spectre
- using VPS instead of dedicated bare metal hardware to store data of your customers
- using Cloudflare without at least optimizing it to be Tor-friendly

Who knows, maybe it might be useful to somebody who will finally make a decent non-KYC exchange alternative to eXch.

God Bless neutral cryptocurrency market. Don't let the evil indoctrinate you.
legendary
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Heisenberg
Ask BingX exchange. If they believe Bitcoin isn't fungible, use a different exchange.

I asked the BingX exchange. I'm waiting to hear back from them. If they reply to me and I make the transaction without any problems, I will immediately report it here on the forum. But I would also like to see a response from an eXch rep or support.
You have got to be careful with the centralized exchanged. They change colors overnight and might also be using the same AML checkers. I have had fair a share of such ugly experience in the past  Smiley

If possible, just send in the coins in small batches so that when they block them/ You can send the rest else where while you work around releasing the trapped coins.
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Ask BingX exchange. If they believe Bitcoin isn't fungible, use a different exchange.

I asked the BingX exchange. I'm waiting to hear back from them. If they reply to me and I make the transaction without any problems, I will immediately report it here on the forum. But I would also like to see a response from an eXch rep or support.

I see. So it's another business model trying to sell the notion of "taint".

You are right, but unfortunately we now have to live with this “taint” because we couldn't beat it.
staff
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The Naija & BSFL Sherrif 📛
It is a new unit of measure in the Bitcoin ecosystem, devised by the creators of the AML checker. There is no explanation of the methodology used when assigning percentages, but users have to accept the result and agree that anyone can block their coins due to a "bad score".

Is this a way to prevent stolen/blacklisted/reported addresses from depositing tainted coins on exchanges and gambling platforms? No, I don't like it; we're giving them too much control. Satoshi probably wouldn't have liked this.

I can do that too Cheesy I have 2 lists already: all good Bitcoin addresses and all bad Bitcoin addresses. Or maybe it was the other way around, I don't remember Tongue
/sarcasm

35.06 GB of data oh no! Thank you  Grin
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I want to know if such bitcoins are blocked by BingX exchange?
Ask BingX exchange. If they believe Bitcoin isn't fungible, use a different exchange.

It is a new unit of measure in the Bitcoin ecosystem, devised by the creators of the AML checker. There is no explanation of the methodology used when assigning percentages, but users have to accept the result and agree that anyone can block their coins due to a "bad score".
I see. So it's another business model trying to sell the notion of "taint".

I can do that too Cheesy I have 2 lists already: all good Bitcoin addresses and all bad Bitcoin addresses. Or maybe it was the other way around, I don't remember Tongue
/sarcasm
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
My wallet score is 86% labeled “Illegal Service”. While before it was only 60% with “Unlicensed exchange” labeled.
What is this "wallet score" you're talking about?
It is a new unit of measure in the Bitcoin ecosystem, devised by the creators of the AML checker. There is no explanation of the methodology used when assigning percentages, but users have to accept the result and agree that anyone can block their coins due to a "bad score".
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What is this "wallet score" you're talking about? It reminds me of the made-up thing called taint, which is an attack on Bitcoin's fungibility.

To quote myself:
I've seen several posts lately from people willing to treat Bitcoin as non-fungible because they believe some coins are "tainted".
I'd say this is a severe threat to Bitcoin, and I wouldn't be surprised if governments use this because they can't stop Bitcoin in any other way. If people believe Bitcoin is "tainted", they won't accept it anymore. "We" should really inform people not to fall for this.
Nobody would reject a dollar bill because it has previously been used in a crime, despite the fact that 85 to 90% contains traces of cocaine. Claiming Bitcoin isn't fungible is just plain stupid.

This site explains very well what it's all about:
Coin validation proposed to offer as a service to trace coins and try to give you a rating about how the history of the coin from your point of view and to offer that as a service to businesses. I think this could be quite dangerous because it goes back to that 17th century court case where now you could receive a coin that is perfectly valid at the time that you receive it, but a few weeks later a crime is uncovered and now your coin is tainted. So if this coin validation service is advicing many of the merchants where you would want to spend your coin at, it's tainted and now the merchant would refuse to accept your coin. That's a strange experience for you; you're holding a coin that you might have to sell at a discount to get rid of it. The aggregate effect of this might create a run on the bitcoin price. So it reopens this long-set legal principle that currency or currency units are all equal.
I can't stress enough how important this is!

I have gotten bitcoins from eXch for a long time now. And now I am planning to sell those bitcoins. I'm talking about what happened recently with Bybit exchange, about blocking. And I want to know if such bitcoins are blocked by BingX exchange? I want to be sure.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
My wallet score is 86% labeled “Illegal Service”. While before it was only 60% with “Unlicensed exchange” labeled.
What is this "wallet score" you're talking about? It reminds me of the made-up thing called taint, which is an attack on Bitcoin's fungibility.

To quote myself:
I've seen several posts lately from people willing to treat Bitcoin as non-fungible because they believe some coins are "tainted".
I'd say this is a severe threat to Bitcoin, and I wouldn't be surprised if governments use this because they can't stop Bitcoin in any other way. If people believe Bitcoin is "tainted", they won't accept it anymore. "We" should really inform people not to fall for this.
Nobody would reject a dollar bill because it has previously been used in a crime, despite the fact that 85 to 90% contains traces of cocaine. Claiming Bitcoin isn't fungible is just plain stupid.

This site explains very well what it's all about:
Coin validation proposed to offer as a service to trace coins and try to give you a rating about how the history of the coin from your point of view and to offer that as a service to businesses. I think this could be quite dangerous because it goes back to that 17th century court case where now you could receive a coin that is perfectly valid at the time that you receive it, but a few weeks later a crime is uncovered and now your coin is tainted. So if this coin validation service is advicing many of the merchants where you would want to spend your coin at, it's tainted and now the merchant would refuse to accept your coin. That's a strange experience for you; you're holding a coin that you might have to sell at a discount to get rid of it. The aggregate effect of this might create a run on the bitcoin price. So it reopens this long-set legal principle that currency or currency units are all equal.
I can't stress enough how important this is!
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If you are not sure, just use the "Aggregated" function.  Wink

https://i.ibb.co/0rPL793/image.png

- No risks of being frozen at major exchanges due to low risk score given by chain analysis platforms
- Chain analysis platforms will know you have interacted with an exchange and won't increase a risk score of your sending addresses
- Can be useful when someone asks you for a source of funds
- Currently accepted by the following exchanges without any issues: Binance, Coinbase, Gate.io, HTX, Kraken, MEXC, Gemini, OKX, Kucoin, Poloniex



I have used the “Aggregated” feature. But I'm still unsure after the reports of Bybit exchange blocking. My wallet score is 86% labeled “Illegal Service”. While before it was only 60% with “Unlicensed exchange” labeled. Also, I don't see the BingX exchange on the list. So I want to be sure if the BingX exchange is blocking such bitcoins?
legendary
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🔃EN>>AR Translator🔃
The high-risk exchange ByBit misleadingly designates eXch as a "high-risk exchange". ByBit freezes funds coming from eXch and other exchanges that respect users privacy, asking customers who wish to have a right to privacy for source of funds.

I doubt that this decision was in implementation of a legal requirement to avoid dealing with trading platforms, whether exch or others. Bybit platform did not issue any explanatory announcement or statement activating similar updates. And if any official body has requested this, then why Bybit in particular and why is it being done in this way?

What is funny and strange at the same time is that Bybit considers exch a high-risk service without explaining the rules that enabled them to make such a classification. The matter is not the same as with mixers because the sources of funds cannot be traced, but with any known trading platform, the procedures are supposed to be proportionate to the nature of each platform. For example, if a withdrawal is made from exch to a personal address, and then from that address to Bybit, will those transfers be rejected?

I think that Bybit will not benefit anything from this step and may lose a large user base. These users will think of possible scenarios that could happen to them with the platform without being aware of any updates. Bybit platform does not mention anything about refusing to deal with transfers from any other trading platform, and what is happening now is unprofessional and does not support the service.
legendary
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light_warrior ... 🕯️
Can you please tell me if BingX exchange accepts deposits from eXch without problems and without blocking? I was planning to exchange my bitcoins but now I am wary.
If you are not sure, just use the "Aggregated" function.  Wink



- No risks of being frozen at major exchanges due to low risk score given by chain analysis platforms
- Chain analysis platforms will know you have interacted with an exchange and won't increase a risk score of your sending addresses
- Can be useful when someone asks you for a source of funds
- Currently accepted by the following exchanges without any issues: Binance, Coinbase, Gate.io, HTX, Kraken, MEXC, Gemini, OKX, Kucoin, Poloniex

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Can you please tell me if BingX exchange accepts deposits from eXch without problems and without blocking? I was planning to exchange my bitcoins but now I am wary.
member
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As far as I know, the whole thing about eXch raffles main idea is not only their promotion but also putting wind in the back of cryptosteel. eXch gladly supports and invests in promising crypto projects.
And it encourages self-custody over keeping your stash on Binance, Kraken or wherever Cool
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
The high-risk exchange ByBit misleadingly designates eXch as a "high-risk exchange". ByBit freezes funds coming from eXch and other exchanges that respect users privacy, asking customers who wish to have a right to privacy for source of funds.

All exchanges which abide by legal regulations are high-risk, because they can sell you out to a federal agency at any moment.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
Maybe think about changing rewards in future, maybe with BTC, hardware wallets or something else.
I think I saw forum members who won cryptosteel capsules several times  Wink
Not a huge change, but we'll be switching to Cryptosteel's next generation Capsule - the seed12 (link) soon. They come with tamper-evident seals!
As far as I know, the whole thing about eXch raffles main idea is not only their promotion but also putting wind in the back of cryptosteel. eXch gladly supports and invests in promising crypto projects.
member
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I can confirm that all the winners received their eXch prizes (as far as I know ; maybe not the last one, it should be still in process of delivery). By the way, some of them published photos of their eXch capsules Smiley
We're handling the shipping of the eXch Cryptosteel Capsules and all have made it to the winners so far.

Maybe think about changing rewards in future, maybe with BTC, hardware wallets or something else.
I think I saw forum members who won cryptosteel capsules several times  Wink
Not a huge change, but we'll be switching to Cryptosteel's next generation Capsule - the seed12 (link) soon. They come with tamper-evident seals!
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