Topic: Explosive devices sent to Bill/Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George Soros, CNN - page 8. (Read 7305 times)

Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence, I don't want to spam up the thread with a huge list of examples. Hey you are concluding this MUST be some one on the right attacking the left, suddenly people who disagree with you can not make similar conclusions?

For you to suggest that Trumps QUITE REASONABLE criticism of the press is equivalent to calling for violence is juvenile. You know who has been calling for violence over and over though? The Democrats and the left.

I agree, and I am ashamed of myself for jumping into the politicization of this event.  It is terrorism, and there's no other way to describe it.  Even if the bombs turn out to be fakes, the intent was obviously to intimidate.  Regardless of the perpetrator's political motives, this is terrorism and we should all be condemning it.

I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.

I just don't know how none of these bombs actually succeeded in killing their targets.

For god sake folks, this could have been done by the Russians to try to strike fear and divide in the country. It seems like they're succeeding. As you have the right calling this an inside job and you have Democrats (like flying hellfish) saying that the entire Republican party supports this.

We're better than this folks, come on. If this is them (or someone else trying to divide the country) they're doing a good job.

I didn't dismiss it, I said it was done for an ulterior motive, likely not even by their enemies. Also, as I said the conclusion they were actually explosive devices has not been stated by the FBI or ATF, only that they "appeared to be." As I explained the standard procedure is to blow the device in place, so chances are we will never know for sure. It could have simply been a box off unassembled components of a bomb, no one would ever be able to tell the difference after it is detonated with added explosives used to deactivate it.

When a bunch of Republicans got sent ricin a few weeks back you didn't see me here blaming Democrats over it. Also everyone knows now days these high profile people are like the 10th person to check out their mail. There was never any risk to any of them. This is exactly the kind of Hail Mary move they would make out of desperation. They constantly must fill the role of victim to sell their narrative. Also exactly the kind of movie script people who live in TV land would suck up and ask for more. In reality, things almost never have such a clear narrative.

Also all of these people are complicit in very serious federal crimes, and they know prosecution is on the way. What better way to elicit sympathy than looking like they are under physical attack as they literally call for incivility themselves, and support the mass invasion of our country. This was very carefully timed, it was not a coincidence.

Ask some simple questions like any investigator...

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?

"Enemy of the people" ring a bell? "Anybody that can do a body-slam is my guy"?

Trump stokes violence because it plays well with his base and supports his "tough guy" image. A few nice words later he was still attacking the media at his rally in Wisconsin last night.

Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.  

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known.

Until people realize the left is the right.

Until people realize the right is the left.

There is no hope for us all.

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!

That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.

The Politics of Pipe Bombs
All those who choose violence need to be held accountable.


Wednesday brought ugly news that bomb-like devices had been mailed to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder, which followed the discovery Monday of a pipe bomb in the mailbox at the Westchester County, N.Y., home of George Soros, the billionaire funder of liberal political causes. Apparent explosive devices were also discovered Wednesday at the New York office of CNN, as well as at a district office of Florida Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The motives of the sender aren’t known, though the devices suggest a pattern that could make them related. The urgent burden now is on the FBI, the Secret Service and the U.S. Postal Service to find the culprit.

Let’s hope the FBI does a better job than it did in 2001 when anthrax-laced letters killed several Americans. The FBI spent years hounding an innocent man before settling on a federal researcher who committed suicide in 2008 after learning he’d be charged. Especially so close to an election, the public should discount unconfirmed leaks about suspects or motives.

Close to an election there are also attempts to blame the devices on intemperate political rhetoric, especially from Donald Trump. We doubt this, and we doubt it in the same way we never believed the attack on Steve Scalise and other Republicans as they were playing baseball in Virginia in 2017 was the fault of Bernie Sanders, though the man guilty of the shooting rampage was a Bernie volunteer.

On Wednesday Mr. Trump condemned the act of sending the devices and said that “in these times, we have to unify. We have to come together, and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America. ”

That wasn’t good enough for Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, who issued a joint statement saying Mr. Trump’s “words ring hollow until he reverses his statements that condone acts of violence.” As if this is a moment to settle political scores.

Mr. Obama offered a better message in Tucson in 2011 when he paid tribute to those killed by the madman who also wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords. Mr. Obama said the lack of civility in politics wasn’t to blame—and he cautioned against a political impulse to “lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do.”

If we want to make America less vulnerable to violence, we’d do better to look past the political rhetoric and insist on exacting a higher price from those who choose violence. Those who burn universities because they don’t like the speaker, white supremacists who seek out and engage in brawls, or masked protestors breaking shop windows—they all deserve the full sanction of the law. The priority now is to find the person responsible—and then ensure the offender spends a long time in prison.

My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!

President Trump has incited violence against his political opponents innumerable times.^[1]

Half a dozen of the President's so called "enemies" were targeted and explosive devices were sent to their offices or residences.[2]

Former CIA Director[3] John Brennan[4] sent to CNN - President Trump has called the media *"The enemy of the people"*[5]

President Bill Clinton[6] and Hillary Clinton[7] going so far as to suggest deadly violence[8]

George Soros[9]

President Obama[10]

Former Attorney General Eric Holder[11]

Congresswoman Maxine Waters[12]

The President's attacks against political opponents, the free press and praise for dictators

The rhetoric and actions taken by the President - from continuing to berate the fourth estate by referring to the media as *"fake news"*[13] to calling his political opponents traitors[14] while he attacks the judicial branch of government without remorse,[15] are just a few examples of his egregious attacks on democratic institutions and norms.

President Trump has referred to the minority party as un-American for not applauding his speech.[16] President Trump joked about wanting to consolidate his power like his dictator colleague in China, President Xi.[17] President Trump has repeatedly praised dictators including Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, and el-Sisi.[18]

Trump’s fondness for authoritarians may have more to do with how power is wielded than those who exercise it. It just so happens that Western governments have, for the past seven decades, mostly adhered to a system of the rule of law, which empowers institutions rather than individuals. Trump’s apparent preference is for a system in which one individual, presumably him, wields that power.

Indeed, his fondness for strongmen and dictators isn’t limited to Xi Jinping or any other individual in power now. He has praised Iraq’s Saddam Hussein (while also criticizing him as “a bad guy”) for killing terrorists. “He did that so good,” Trump said in July 2016. “They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over.”

Trump also said in 2016 that Libya would be better off “if [Moammar] Gaddafi were in charge right now.” He once tweeted a quote from Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist leader, and later defended the tweet, saying: “Mussolini was Mussolini ... It’s a very good quote. It’s a very interesting quote... what difference does it make whether it’s Mussolini or somebody else?”

Trump even said China’s brutal crackdown on protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989 “shows you the power of strength,” contrasting the Communist Party’s action with the United States, which he said “is right now perceived as weak.” Trump made those comments in 1990. When asked about the remarks during the presidential debate in 2016, Trump defended himself and appeared to take the Chinese Communist Party’s view of the events at Tiananmen. He dismissed the deadly military response as a “riot.”

Following Saudi Arabia's grotesque assassination of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey[19] President Trump encouraged assaulting reporters and journalists at a rally in Montana last week.[20]

YouTube - All the Times Trump Has Called for Violence at His Rallies

Fox News - Explosive devices mailed to Obama, Hillary Clinton, others prompt security scare

CNN - Trump blasts former CIA Director John Brennan as 'loudmouth, partisan, political hack'

NBC - Trump ties 'rigged witch hunt' to decision to revoke Brennan's security clearance

NPR - Opinion: Calling The Press The Enemy Of The People Is A Menacing Move

New York Times - Donald Trump Opens New Line of Attack on Hillary Clinton: Her Marriage

NBC - Trump accuses Hillary Clinton of colluding with Russia as crowd chants 'lock her up'

New York Times - Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton

Washington Post - Why Trump and the Republicans keep talking about George Soros

New York Times - Trump Attacks Obama, and His Own Attorney General, Over Russia Inquiry

Axios - Trump says Eric Holder "better be careful what he's wishing for"

The Guardian - 'You better shoot straight': how Maxine Waters became Trump's public enemy No 1

Washington Post - Trump admitted he attacks press to shield himself from negative coverage, Lesley Stahl says

The Atlantic - He Dares Call It Treason

Washington Post - All the times Trump personally attacked judges — and why his tirades are ‘worse than wrong’

USA Today - Trump blasts 'treasonous' Democrats for not applauding at his State of the Union address

Deutsche Welle - US President Donald Trump praises China's Xi Jinping for consolidating grip on power

The Atlantic - Nine Notorious Dictators, Nine Shout-Outs From Donald Trump

PK - Saudi Arabia's assassination of a journalist and the world's response

Washington Post - President Trump greenlights assaults on reporters