Topic: Extending "~" to peers of your untrustees through association - Why? (Read 799 times)

So all of your attacking of me is simply to get people's attention to read an article?

*Yawn*

Next.

A mexican proverb says "Quisieron enterrarnos, pero no sabían que éramos semillas" which means in English "They tried to bury me but they didn’t know I was a seed".

Those who can read between the words will understand the meaning.


I managed today to finish writing it!

This is where we are at:

http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/1285797.html


You're crying that just one person on DT1 - (with a negative value at that) has distrusted you on default trust?  (Something you've never even dabbled in before this week?)

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Who put you up to this?

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(Note to @LoyceV - this link isn't updating http://loyce.club/trust/ranking/131361.html )

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Edit on the 31st August 2020.  Two weeks after this post the OP added ten UID's to the trust list. (Week 58)

It is now week 85 and their trust list looks like this:

https://loyce.club/trust/2020-08-29_Sat_05.07h/1285797.html

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I feel vindicated in distrusting this person when I did.

Personal trust lists are not really worth paying that much attention to. Unlike ratings, they're backround metrics that affect how the one that sets them in his own profile sees trust ratings.

They only become impactful to the general userbase once they contribute to including/excluding someone in default trust. I wouldn't care that much what the reasons of someone trusting/distrusting others are.
Unless of course they themselves are in DT1 and are largely contributing to preventing others from ranking up. If there's no good reason for such specific actions, it's worth discussing more than hypotheticals.

nullius is another one of those shill accounts that's been brought back to life.  Instead of making contact for their concern about a post of mine, they went on a stumbling rant about the post.

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Ask the OP how many hours after he sent a PM did he wait before starting this thread.  (and ask his did he notice I was offline for a couple of days - over the weekend) - I know the answer and it's not very many hours at all.  No follow-up PM to ensure I received the first PM, no discussion via PM, nothing.

This is a nothing thread from start to finish.

The Cult of Lauda. OP did not deserve this in any way or form, and people should not be doing stuff like this..

When an account like Nullius wakes after a long sleep and immediately starts kissing the ass of a proven scammer and highly probable extortionist. Immediately abusing the trust system to try to discredit that same scamming / extortionists critics on spurious grounds.

Then yes, anyone including them, and supporting their actions in anyway should be excluded from the trust system.

Although TL has claimed his reasons were not those I have provided, the result is the same and for the benefit of the forum.

GB may have been unaware, but now that I have kindly provided the hints, they must investigate and feel free to consult me for details if required.

Timelords decisions are his own. Unless he is trusting or including scammers, I see no reason for other members to feel they know his real reasons or be critical.

A PM to TL would have been appropriate first.

Mind your manners, child.  GazetaBitcoin has contributed more substance to the forum in the past few months than you have in the pat few years.  You destroyed the credibility of your own past work with bizarre accusations, petty grudges over nothing, etc., ad nauseam.  Despite my usual attempt to quietly try to avoid excluding users who may have many tags on scammers, I decided for my part that your tags are categorically unreliable to do a long-term lack of regard for evidence, or even sanity; it seems that many others reached similar conclusions.  And now, with all the airs of a self-entitled brat, you aver that you distrust GazetaBitcoin’s judgment not due to his friendliness toward me, but because he quoted marlboroza’s inoffensive joke in a thread about forum controversies (!).

Such is the viciousness of superannuated children who toss insults at whomever sits at the lunch table with someone outside their playground clique.  —A clique that in Timelord2067’s case seems to be rapidly approaching a population of 1.

From what I see of his post history, GazetaBitcoin is here to talk about cypherpunks history and T. C. May, government invasions of financial privacy, government suppression of the freedom of information, the nature of decentralized versus government-issued digital currency, etc.  Those are important issues which have nothing to do with DT squabbles.  He has also translated thus far two of my own Bitcoin advocacy essays to the beautiful Romanian language:  Bitcoin: Fenomenul social (Bitcoin: The Social Phenomeon), and Proiectul Anastasia: Bitcoinerii împotriva furtului de identitate -țeapa lui CSW (Project Anastasia, my thread for community action to stop Craig Wright’s grand-scale identity theft against an important historical figure).  And GazetaBitcoin is a thinker; I am proud to see his Romanian translation of an essay on my personal philosophy, Anarhia Autarhiei Autoritare: Fii Propria Ta Autoritate (summary: “Don’t reject authority:  Be your own authority.”).

I have noticed that certain characters around here, plural, seem to have taken a disliking to him, for no possible reason than that he is friends with people whom they dislike.  I hope that his being targeted with a poo-flinging crossfire will not drain his time and energy from Bitcoin, cypherpunks history, and the thinking of deep thoughts—not to mention any IRL commitments that he may have.  He is an innocent bystander.  To lash out at him because of his friendships is despicable, beneath contempt.

For my part, I say:  If you have a problem with me, pick on me.  —Well, try to, anyway.

It’s a free-speech forum.  Those who dislike me may open another ten threads against me, ~ me twice over, curse my name whilst shaking a fist at the sky, or whatever such futile measures may best express their vindictiveness against me.  Not that I give a damn—which seems to be the problem, thus why they are now trolling others on the basis of “you like nullius, so now I hate you”.  Forkin’ hell, how low can you go?

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GazetaBitcoin, for whatever it may be worth, my suggestion is to ignore, Do Not Feed The Trolls, and just focus on what is important.  Of course, far be it from me to criticize others for calling out ill behaviour!  I just think it’s not worth your time—for the same reason that I myself am 90% out of the Reputation forum; I plan to ignore it almost entirely, after I tie up a few loose ends here and there.  I have bigger fish to fry.

Do you really want to waste even five seconds’ worth of your energy and intelligence wondering what non-reasons screen name “Timelord2067” may have for distrusting your judgment?  —When tyrants are destroying financial privacy, Faketoshi is still on the loose, whereas on the upside, Bitcoin itself is a positive joy?  What else could you have done with the energy spent on this thread?

A Timelord2067 exclusion is not even worth noticing.  Hell, even if he were to make some wild false accusation or ridiculous insinuation against you in public, the appropriate response would be not more than that thus exemplified, and probably less:

Quote from: marlboroza on September 04, 2019, 12:10:12 PM

Quote from: Lauda on September 04, 2019, 11:53:21 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on September 04, 2019, 08:31:16 AM

Why is my nick in this thread?

Why is my alt's nick in this thread?

Uups, wrong account.

“LOL.”  If you even deign to notice.

Just food for thought.

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Off-topic: The Nullian Gang (TINNG)

Quote from: suchmoon on February 17, 2020, 11:27:00 AM

It's the sexiest gang on Bitcointalk, that's for sure.

What, are you trolling me with catnip!?  That poster is the “sexiest”?  My only problem is that I am too much of a lone wolf to form a gang, other than in the sense of the venerable old Lumber Cartel.  As n.a.n.a.e. said, “TINLC”—we (TINW) say so—and, “There Is No Nullian Gang” (or so I would have you believe), although I do have a cult!

Credit: Regana

Quote from: suchmoon on February 17, 2020, 11:27:00 AM

But I'll let you in on a secret. Thick skin is a merit magnet.

Indeed.

But the handling of such matters may not come so easily to someone who seems to lack much past flamewar experience, and is idealistic about giving to the forum community.  No good deed goes unpunished!  I wouldn’t knock him for questioning this, much traduce him as “thin-skinned”:  He said he just wanted to know why, which shows an earnest, noble, but sadly mistaken overestimate of the rationality of empty-headed screen names.  It is not even a matter of general life experience, but of very specific experience dealing with petty Internet garbage:  I’d wager that even a wizened sage and pillar of an IRL community would be a bit shocked at the sheer idiocy found on the Internet forums.  From the looks of his posts, I would presume that GazetaBitcoin has spent more time building his own Bitcoin news website and maybe even having a life than troll-wrangling.  By the time he hits Sr. rank, he will probably look back at this and LOL.

I get it.  Facing inexplicable, irrational hostility on the Internet is old hat for me.  I was never thin-skinned; but yes, there was a time when I tried to reason with the unreasonable, or at least so patiently to find their nonexistent reasons.  Well—I don’t want to date myself; but if I cut my teeth on AC2 and lurked in the anarchic firestorm of cypherpunks, it probably means that I long ago stopped asking “why” of basement-dwelling obsessive Internet mouth-frothers.  /dev/null has an infinite capacity.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 17, 2020, 10:29:56 AM

I need to interview someone who has The Thickest skin around LOL

Unfortunately, it will take time away from my public service of holding a blow torch to double-talking three-digit uids who visit the CIA and repeatedly fork-attack Bitcoin.  But I like to eat, too; inquire for hourly rates. ;-)

And it happened what i was expecting: [besides Timelord2067 fighting with the press (action which, in opinion of some, is ridiculous)], he left a neutral review stating a negative, such as expressing FUD (?!?!?!), being a troll which, in fact, he is and questiong trade integrity, integrity confirmed by remarkable forum users such ad philipma or Biodom: "GazetaBitcoin is a Troll going around the forum causing conflict (n.b. ???l and FUD - would I trust this person in a trade? No I would not as they are playing a long game to build trust with a certain group within BCT".

Where, did ever Gazeta Bicoin expressed FUD? When did Gazeta Bitcoin ever generate conflict?! Lol. You're ridiculous. Gazeta Bitcoin is one of the most bullish entity ever about BTC. Check out these:

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53775838
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53778093
- not to mention our website itself - https://ibitcoin.ro!

Nvm. Who excuses accuses himself, is a saying. I'm sure "gang leaders and members" understood what's going on. Waiting for confirmations.

Meanwhile, I became determined even more to start a topic for Julian Assange and for liberty of press. Thank you, Timelord2067, for that!

I pass for the time being. :-P
I feel very clam now after having some vodka. I think, I restored myself again. Besides, I won't have much time as PSL is about to start. I will be gambling full time LOL however I would like to see someone else is taking the time to interview you.

Appreciate the mindset you have.

Thank you very much for confirming your rational and pure logic allegations.

As a note, perhaps you know, GazetaBitcoin is the account of a Romanian crypto newspaper. So basically you distrusted the press (where is Julian Assange when you need him?), saying a newspaper trolls you. Looking forward for the moment when you'll adress to game-protect for defending you when CoinTelegraph or CoinDesk will affect your image.


Warriors started wars; biggest warriors invented the skulls! Let's call it the skull gang then!

Also, I'm going to research about Dalton gang. If it really existed and wolvoo mentioned it, he already raised in my eyes

I agree, and it's the old maxim of not painting people with the same brush as you would their friends.  Unfortunately that happens a lot, not only on this forum but in the world in general.  I think as human beings we're wired to look for patterns and see them even where they don't necessarily exist--thus there's a lot of prejudice and situations like OP described.  I've certainly been guilty of it at times, but I'm looking to get better.

However, sometimes on the internet you just have no idea in situations like this--especially when so many people have alt accounts and whatnot, so I'm not going to pass judgement on someone who extends their bitcointalk distrust list, because there may be reasons I don't know about--and it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

Everyone is free to trust or distrust anyone they please for any reason they wish. Such is the nature of the trust system. It's impossible not to start collecting exclusions if you've been around for a few months and are active in Meta or Reputation - something you say will eventually rub someone up the wrong way, even if you didn't intend it to. It's not worth stressing over.

I also want to briefly mention that no reasonable person should consider someone giving merits to someone else as those users having a connection, endorsing what each other say, or even agreeing with each other. Merit should be seen as "This post is constructive/worthwhile/required a lot of effort", and not "I like this post or I like the person making it". Your other context is correct, of course, and I trust users who are distrusted by other users on my trust list, and I distrust users who are trusted by other users on my trust list.

I would also suggest that although everyone is obviously free to trust or distrust anyone they please as I stated above, distrusting someone solely as retaliation because they distrusted you is not a mature way to build a trust list.

Google it - Dalton gang was a real thing. Gotta give wolwoo credit for coming up with a pretty good nickname.


Even better. More solid protection than merely thick skin.

You've got your sensational minute in the sun.  Well done.[/b]

Oh I see, so it has nothing to do with you / nullius mutual distrust + my connection with him.

Ok, let's see what we have here. So I am a troll because:
- I pointed out some scandals where your name was involved, in a historic thread dedicated to scandals; practically I am troll here for being on topic with xtraelv's thread

- I talked respectfully to marboroza in your second link, marlboroza being also an user that you distrust; so you didn't distrust me for my connection to nullius, but to marlboroza. Got it!
- or was it perhaps for quoting wolvoo's war against the entire forum? Or for quoting The-Devil -- a true remarkable user -- in xtraelv's scandals topic?

Thank you for your crystal clear and rational explanation.

I'm asking for asylum in the thick skinned gang!

Exactly! I get exclusions sometimes, or removal of inclusions, which looks like it's related to one of my posts in some of the many drama-threads. It makes me a bit curious sometimes, but that's about it. Don't worry too much about it, everyone's free to use the Trust system as they please. Just like others are free to use their judgement on those who's inclusions they don't agree with.

I'll bite: go ahead Make a topic, mention LoyceV, and I'll answer your questions. Who knows, it might help others to stop caring so much about anonymous people's opinions on them!

Lol

You're wrong there already. You don't have to piss me off to report a post/PM. That's part of the thicker skin part: with 7098 reports (not counting reported PMs), I'd be crazy by now if I'd let all of those piss me off.

I wasn't here for a couple of days - it's called "the week-end"

This post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53789402 and this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53792258 are why I distrust you.

More like the thick skull gang...

I think 'Lucky Luke' have the thickest skin around here,
and we all know he is stronger than all Daltons together