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Quote from: rdbase on April 13, 2022, 07:42:28 AM

Next weekend we will have the F1 in Italy and can't wait for that one to see which of the top three we will see take the podium on the beautiful Italia Emilia Romagna track.

In Italy, we should expect good results from Ferrari. This is their homeland and many fans. I think they will continue their winning streak and others should catch up with them.
By the way, the statistics of F1 races for many years states that the winner of the previous stages wins on average ~ 0.3 seconds per lap. Just because of the fact that his victories force and stimulate him to drive the car more confidently and a little faster.

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Quote from: rdbase on April 11, 2022, 04:33:34 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on April 11, 2022, 01:49:02 PM

Quotes of Grand Prix Emilia Romagna Race - Winner:

Leclerc, Charles 2.20

Verstappen, Max 2.65

Sainz Jr., Carlos 8.85

Perez, Sergio 12.70

Hamilton, Lewis 15.50

Russell, George 19.00

I wonder why Verstappen is quoted so much higher than Sainz? Just because he's the reigning champion? It seems doubtful to me.
And I would also like to see bookmakers' quotes for the result of the whole season, but I looked at several bookmakers and so far no one offers such an option. Maybe someone has seen something like this?

I see the same odds for Max and they are quite low for not even finishing on the podium.
But it is still early in the week so expect them to change closer to the race and most certainly after P1-P3.
Here they are for those who are interesting to keep an eye on them during the week:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/race/race-6252a7d78b29f8417b45f6bd

It is clear that the chances will change a lot if the outsiders according to the results of free practice/qualification will be ahead, but I do not understand the current quotes. Is Sainz's car really that much worse than Leclerc's? Or is it implied that he is identified as number two so his chances are initially worse due to team strategy? But then why are Verstappen's chances so high?

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Next weekend we will have the F1 in Italy and can't wait for that one to see which of the top three we will see take the podium on the beautiful Italia Emilia Romagna track.

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Somewhere I came across a comment that there will be no major updates for W13, at least not in the near future.
Russell said there was nothing major in development. It will take time to do something. But everyone understands that the rivals will not sit still - Ferrari and Red Bull will also progress.
Russell also noted that his car has great potential that needs to be revealed. But it won't happen instantly.

Meanwhile, it is Russell who, after three races, takes second place in the championship.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 11, 2022, 01:49:02 PM

Quotes of Grand Prix Emilia Romagna Race - Winner:

Leclerc, Charles 2.20

Verstappen, Max 2.65

Sainz Jr., Carlos 8.85

Perez, Sergio 12.70

Hamilton, Lewis 15.50

Russell, George 19.00

I wonder why Verstappen is quoted so much higher than Sainz? Just because he's the reigning champion? It seems doubtful to me.
And I would also like to see bookmakers' quotes for the result of the whole season, but I looked at several bookmakers and so far no one offers such an option. Maybe someone has seen something like this?

I see the same odds for Max and they are quite low for not even finishing on the podium.
But it is still early in the week so expect them to change closer to the race and most certainly after P1-P3.
Here they are for those who are interesting to keep an eye on them during the week:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/race/race-6252a7d78b29f8417b45f6bd

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It all seems to be going very smoothly for the Ferrari, but we shouldn't take it too easy. Since Mercedes now has the most points in total from the podiums, I heard a commentator say and Sainz had problems with the steering wheel, which could have happened to Leclerc as he basically has the same car. It's still a long way off, there are 23 circuits this season so nothing has actually been decided yet. But it's a very good start for Ferrari and bad for Red Bull. They are now paying the price for that hassle with Honda.

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Clearly strange, Sainz never won a GP and this its okey but 8.85 having the best car?.
Also i know he is the second driver for Ferrari but, what if leclerc make a DNF, he can be for sure the winner of the race.

Lets see after the first FP the odds.

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Quotes of Grand Prix Emilia Romagna Race - Winner:

Leclerc, Charles 2.20

Verstappen, Max 2.65

Sainz Jr., Carlos 8.85

Perez, Sergio 12.70

Hamilton, Lewis 15.50

Russell, George 19.00

I wonder why Verstappen is quoted so much higher than Sainz? Just because he's the reigning champion? It seems doubtful to me.
And I would also like to see bookmakers' quotes for the result of the whole season, but I looked at several bookmakers and so far no one offers such an option. Maybe someone has seen something like this?

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Quote from: boltz on April 11, 2022, 07:29:47 AM

I have my theory about RedBull engine and I think its overclocked more than it can take. Sure , it will bring you more power , speed but it will lose stability , resistance and durability and if we look at Max last DNF , we can clearly see that the problem is from engine. No matter how hard Horner tries to hide the issues who they think its the fuel or a part from engine that provokes this problems.

We can all agree it cannot be fuel right ? even the fuel chamber cannot produce such damage to engine in 3 races. It's clearly that RedBull engine is overclocked because they simply couldn't build a strong engine like last year because as far as I remember , Redbull went all in last year with tokens, money and testing.

Regarding Mercedes...I doubt they will recover this year or in the next years. I think their era is gone and from now on , we should expect Ferrari to dominate 3-4 years in F1.

I think exactly the same.
For me Red Bull is full overclocked his engine , and i say more, Verstappen its a danger driver in this thing, i belive he go so much full power and destroy himself the car.

I really hate the Red Bull politic of have only one driver for so many years, Max car its build for his only tipe of drive and the second driver GG.

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I have my theory about RedBull engine and I think its overclocked more than it can take. Sure , it will bring you more power , speed but it will lose stability , resistance and durability and if we look at Max last DNF , we can clearly see that the problem is from engine. No matter how hard Horner tries to hide the issues who they think its the fuel or a part from engine that provokes this problems.

We can all agree it cannot be fuel right ? even the fuel chamber cannot produce such damage to engine in 3 races. It's clearly that RedBull engine is overclocked because they simply couldn't build a strong engine like last year because as far as I remember , Redbull went all in last year with tokens, money and testing.

Regarding Mercedes...I doubt they will recover this year or in the next years. I think their era is gone and from now on , we should expect Ferrari to dominate 3-4 years in F1.

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Quote from: boltz on April 10, 2022, 08:11:16 AM

Happy to see RedBull DNF again but not happy for Max ...but I guess karma is karma no matter what.

I'm no longer sure it's accident/bad karma or is it just plain stupid i.e. pushing the car more than he should (Charles was smart and asked the engineers if the car can handle a push for a new best time of the track).
With this kind of behavior RedBull is getting farther and farther from a pretty easy place 2 and chances for place 1, leaving Ferrari get away easy on 1st and allowing Mercedes (and possibly McLaren and Alpine too!) fight for place #2.

I was happy for Checo, I was happy to see McLaren getting closer to where they should be, I was happy for Alex Albon's point.
Of course, Sainz and Alonso were unlucky - I was expecting to see both in top5.
And Mr Stroll should start opening his eyes: imho something goes really wrong at Aston Martin.

And I will also end with Max. One good thing I've noticed that at least the fight with Charles is nice and clean, not the ugly crap we've seen last year.
So although I no longer care whether Max wins or not, or even ends the race or not, he still seems to be the only one with chances to challenge Ferrari. And I want to see that, I want it for the show.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 10, 2022, 01:26:35 PM

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Good point abount making gap while Mercedes and Red Bull have problems and have to fight with their own demons. I don't believe that it's going to last for whole season and sooner or later they will fix their issues.

Exactly! While there is still time to use to increase the lead Ferrari from these two strongest teams. They are still in confusion, they have not gathered, they have not worked out their mistakes to the end. But it will happen for sure and I think even quite soon.
So Ferrari should try to increase the lead of the race in the next few races.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 10, 2022, 03:48:56 PM

Quote from: perla on April 10, 2022, 03:13:40 PM

Verstappen can now forget to extend his world title, he will not save that anymore. Leclerc was truly phenomenal this weekend. Actually all 3 races so far. Won 2x and 1x 2nd, Verstappen won 1x and retired 2 times. The problems with the car seem to be bigger than initially expected. I can conclude more than one thing and that is that Ferrari has things well done. It will be fun this season, because Leclerc will simply become world champion with the new rules.

Depends on the tracks at the moment.

Ferrari is just impressive on tracks where the traction is the key.
RedBull is faster where high speed is needed.

I repeat, AT THE moment.

These cars are born yesterday so the team with the best improvement during the season will be the champion.

Good thing you mention this great point.
It does depend on the track as with this weekend the drivers have always had issues with turn 11 but during practice and qualifying Leclerc showed he defeated it everytime.
So this probably solidified him the win in Melbourne.

With Vegas and Miami who knows as these are fairly new tracks to all drivers:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-f1-miami-grand-prix.6JTdOPphcU58I8TDLmssx.html

With Vegas being the newest in the F1 and will be unveiled next year.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 10, 2022, 03:48:56 PM

Quote from: perla on April 10, 2022, 03:13:40 PM

Verstappen can now forget to extend his world title, he will not save that anymore. Leclerc was truly phenomenal this weekend. Actually all 3 races so far. Won 2x and 1x 2nd, Verstappen won 1x and retired 2 times. The problems with the car seem to be bigger than initially expected. I can conclude more than one thing and that is that Ferrari has things well done. It will be fun this season, because Leclerc will simply become world champion with the new rules.

Depends on the tracks at the moment.

Ferrari is just impressive on tracks where the traction is the key.
RedBull is faster where high speed is needed.

I repeat, AT THE moment.

These cars are born yesterday so the team with the best improvement during the season will be the champion.

Yes Ferrari is doing very well and have things in order. Still, it can go wrong. For example, if Red Bull or Mercedes manage to stabilize the engine of the car, then the roles can be reversed. Ferrari doesn't seem to have any problems with the engine, but that could also be with dropouts. Leclerc is making a great impression at the moment, along with Verstappen normally the best drivers. Red Bull has a lot of problems with their car. Too bad Hamilton is so far behind under this construction.

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Quote from: perla on April 10, 2022, 03:13:40 PM

Verstappen can now forget to extend his world title, he will not save that anymore. Leclerc was truly phenomenal this weekend. Actually all 3 races so far. Won 2x and 1x 2nd, Verstappen won 1x and retired 2 times. The problems with the car seem to be bigger than initially expected. I can conclude more than one thing and that is that Ferrari has things well done. It will be fun this season, because Leclerc will simply become world champion with the new rules.

Depends on the tracks at the moment.

Ferrari is just impressive on tracks where the traction is the key.
RedBull is faster where high speed is needed.

I repeat, AT THE moment.

These cars are born yesterday so the team with the best improvement during the season will be the champion.

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Verstappen can now forget to extend his world title, he will not save that anymore. Leclerc was truly phenomenal this weekend. Actually all 3 races so far. Won 2x and 1x 2nd, Verstappen won 1x and retired 2 times. The problems with the car seem to be bigger than initially expected. I can conclude more than one thing and that is that Ferrari has things well done. It will be fun this season, because Leclerc will simply become world champion with the new rules.

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Well, race were really worth to wake up so early on Sunday morning. There was no doubts about Leclerc win. After one of safety cars Vertappen was very close to overtake him, but how likely that he would be able to keep position.
Russel was lucky to get P3 after he was able to make cheap pit stop after Vettel's crash. It was awful weekend for Vettel. Good to see return of Mclaren, solid race for both drivers. And Albon- that moment when you make your only pit stop on final lap Cheesy

I really wanted to see him getting point.

Quote from: darxiaomi on April 10, 2022, 01:11:21 PM

Yes, and i think its very important to Leclerc to make now a gap, because for me, Mercedes come back can pass in any moment of the season, so if this pass in the middle of the season and you have built a big gap, maybe you can be the champion only finishing the races in podiums or top five spots, because we can have 6 drivers fighting each others for the points.

Good point abount making gap while Mercedes and Red Bull have problems and have to fight with their own demons. I don't believe that it's going to last for whole season and sooner or later they will fix their issues.

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Yes, and i think its very important to Leclerc to make now a gap, because for me, Mercedes come back can pass in any moment of the season, so if this pass in the middle of the season and you have built a big gap, maybe you can be the champion only finishing the races in podiums or top five spots, because we can have 6 drivers fighting each others for the points.

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The race in Australia did not disappoint if you ask any competitive F1 race car fan watching this one unfold.
Seeing all three top teams reach the podium was a surprise but well deserved.
Didn't think this red bull driver was going to be up there as Max didn't quite make it and slipped further back every time I tuned into the race.
Same with Mercedes as Hamilton climbed out of the hole he put himself in early on but didn't quite have enough to finish strong.
Ferrari's LeClerc is well above everybody else on the table in points with Saniz dropping to third with his early exit of this race in Melbourne.

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Well Ferrari and Charles Leclerc seems solid like a rock, Red Bull and Verstappen has no chance against them.
He put a gap of 5/6 second in a few laps, two times this was cut by the safety car, but again he made land between them.

Mercedes say no upgrades finally deployed here.... i dont belive this so much, they are clearly closing the gap.

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