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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on July 22, 2021, 02:04:27 PM

Quote from: motoprose on July 21, 2021, 07:20:27 PM

My view on the race for silverstone that is racing for you on any track. Nascar is the same. You wonder why there are crashes on all race tracks?
For this simply reason.
All drivers want to win.
What do you think hamilton should of done?
Let him drive aggressively the way he has in all other races and let him blow by him AGAIN?!
Nahhh wayyy!
He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.
If hamilton let verstappen over take him to avoid touching wheels he would be viewed as a pussy driver and get grilled by mercedes.
Might as well even give up on the rest season and just hand this verstappen the trophy himself.

You are talking about "let him pass?" as if that was an option, he had to either let Max pass because Max had the line (which was decided by stewards, so it is already confirmed that Hamilton was wrong and he caused Max to crash, proved by the 10 second penalty) or he would just let Max crash out of the race... So you are saying that he did the right thing by letting Max get a crash and winning the race instead of just making sure nobody crashed anybody, that is just not a nice thing to do. Being a pussy doesn't mean to avoid crashes, sure be aggressive but also avoid crashes as well.

Just to give an example Max is the most aggressive racer out there, everyone says that, and at the end he has zero license points, he didn't get penalty at all this year. That should tell you the difference between an aggressive driver and a dangerous driver.

Exactly my point! Everybody wants to win is no argument in favor of potentially killing someone. Also, I don't exactly know how it works when you repeatedly cause accidents that give you 10 seconds penalties, but with this little penalty in mind and the win Hamilton achieved regardless, the decision of the stewards is almost like an incentive for me to do the same again in the next race if the opportunity arises.

I mean, it's not like Verstappen crashed and could continue the race and maybe fight back and get 10 points or so as well. He is out. It is a 25 - 0 advantage for Hamilton exactly because of that accident. That is why I said it would be sad not only for the driver, but even for all those interested in the sport to perhaps see a championship be decided by a foul play. It has nothing to do with lucky, it's just unfair and takes away the real competitive thrill we are all looking for in any type of sport.

And after all, and this is what experts criticized even more about the crash, is the danger Verstappen got exposed to because that curve is the fastest on the track.

The fact that Hamilton touched him at the back wheel with his own nose clearly shows who was in front in that curve.

Let's hope for some fair races and a close finish in the end!

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on July 22, 2021, 02:18:27 PM

Quote from: motoprose on July 21, 2021, 07:20:27 PM

He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.

Actually the fact that he got a penalty for that (imho a very light one) means that he was not doing it right/correct. Plain and simple.
So no, you're not right. There are rules there and Lewis broke them. If he would have been driving - albeit aggressively, which is normal - within the rules, nobody would have been complaining.

Luckily Max seems to be fine...

Hamilton has always been ruthless and respectless in the title fight, but after Rosberg he had no opponent left to challenge him. For me it was a racing accident but he deserved a 10 second stop and go penalty.

Look at the photo series with Rosberg in the past, he reacted recklessly most of the time, it was the same with Michael Schumacher in the past, he also "intentionally" shot down Damon Hill.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/fotos-videos/fotostrecken/hamilton-vs-rosberg-die-crash-chronologie/nur-selten-gab-es-zwischen-teamkollegen-so-viele-kollisionen-wie-zwischen-den-mercedes-stars-hamilton-und-rosberg-die-highlights-im-krieg-der-sterne/s1/c40/d0/p1/z0/1/1449

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Quote from: motoprose on July 21, 2021, 07:20:27 PM

He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.

Actually the fact that he got a penalty for that (imho a very light one) means that he was not doing it right/correct. Plain and simple.
So no, you're not right. There are rules there and Lewis broke them. If he would have been driving - albeit aggressively, which is normal - within the rules, nobody would have been complaining.

Luckily Max seems to be fine...

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Quote from: motoprose on July 21, 2021, 07:20:27 PM

My view on the race for silverstone that is racing for you on any track. Nascar is the same. You wonder why there are crashes on all race tracks?
For this simply reason.
All drivers want to win.
What do you think hamilton should of done?
Let him drive aggressively the way he has in all other races and let him blow by him AGAIN?!
Nahhh wayyy!
He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.
If hamilton let verstappen over take him to avoid touching wheels he would be viewed as a pussy driver and get grilled by mercedes.
Might as well even give up on the rest season and just hand this verstappen the trophy himself.

You are talking about "let him pass?" as if that was an option, he had to either let Max pass because Max had the line (which was decided by stewards, so it is already confirmed that Hamilton was wrong and he caused Max to crash, proved by the 10 second penalty) or he would just let Max crash out of the race... So you are saying that he did the right thing by letting Max get a crash and winning the race instead of just making sure nobody crashed anybody, that is just not a nice thing to do. Being a pussy doesn't mean to avoid crashes, sure be aggressive but also avoid crashes as well.

Just to give an example Max is the most aggressive racer out there, everyone says that, and at the end he has zero license points, he didn't get penalty at all this year. That should tell you the difference between an aggressive driver and a dangerous driver.

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I really enjoyed the British GP because Leclerc finally was on the podium. He was nearly winning the race too. If he was able to use the traffic effectively in the last laps, maybe he would have won. I have a big respect for Hamilton about his victory too. Because he got a 10-second penalty but still managed to make a huge comeback and won it. It was a really unfortunate weekend for Verstappen. I was actually supporting him in this race but he had a serious crash. I'm grateful that he is OK now.

I can't wait to see the Hungarian GP. I assume that Verstappen will be focused on this race much better compared to the last one. I think that he can be the winner this time if he and the team don't make a big mistake.

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Quote from: motoprose on July 21, 2021, 07:20:27 PM

My view on the race for silverstone that is racing for you on any track. Nascar is the same. You wonder why there are crashes on all race tracks?
For this simply reason.
All drivers want to win.
What do you think hamilton should of done?
Let him drive aggressively the way he has in all other races and let him blow by him AGAIN?!
Nahhh wayyy!
He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.
If hamilton let verstappen over take him to avoid touching wheels he would be viewed as a pussy driver and get grilled by mercedes.
Might as well even give up on the rest season and just hand this verstappen the trophy himself.

And how would Hamilton have been viewed if Verstappen had serious, like really serious injuries? I think there is a red line you should keep in mind for any sport. Maybe even more so in Formula 1 because an accident can potentially be deadly or change your life forever. The fact that the FIA gave Hamilton a penalty does at least prove that he was to blame. I would always prefer to win championships with my opponent also finishing the race. If he now kicks him out a second time and wins the race that would just be sad from a formula 1 fan's perspective.

And by the way the rule I provided regarding half length of the car in my former comment, that is true. Clearly Hamilton was probably not even a third with his car past Verstappen at any point in that curve.

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My view on the race for silverstone that is racing for you on any track. Nascar is the same. You wonder why there are crashes on all race tracks?
For this simply reason.
All drivers want to win.
What do you think hamilton should of done?
Let him drive aggressively the way he has in all other races and let him blow by him AGAIN?!
Nahhh wayyy!
He did what was expected from him and it won him the race.
Plain and simple.
If hamilton let verstappen over take him to avoid touching wheels he would be viewed as a pussy driver and get grilled by mercedes.
Might as well even give up on the rest season and just hand this verstappen the trophy himself.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 19, 2021, 10:30:09 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2021, 10:18:52 AM

What a shocking start it was! Just as I expected, the race started with a high competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the 1st place. Verstappen defended him really well until a point. But they had a huge crash and Verstappen was through the barriers unfortunately. Hamilton got a 10 sec penalty for that but I still think that it was Verstappen's fault. Verstappen just pushed his luck too much there.

Now, Leclerc is still leading the race. He has a decent gap with Hamilton (2 sec). The pit strategies will be really important. If Ferrari does a strong pit stop with Leclerc, I think that Leclerc has a really big chance to even win the race.

I am really happy to see a Ferrari back in the podium once again! They've been struggling last season but I think they're making a huge comeback this year.

With regard to Verstappen's crash, I think it's partly Hamilton's fault for not giving enough room on the right side of the corner. Even with the slightest contact, Max flew like a stick and crashed into the barrier. When you're driving around 300 kph on corners, it is to be expected that you have to give some room especially if you are the one overtaking.

yeah i think its the stubbornness of Hamilton made him make contact with Max. he wanted to stay close to him so he could force him to back out.
as you can see in these image how Hamilton trying to get past Leclerc from the same corner, he hit the Apex in the turn so he had plenty of room if he had done that with max.

I don't think that it was his intentions to touch his wheel because in that scenario both cars could have spin or Hamilton gets at least a puncture, he did some damage to his wing but miraculously didn't need to pit and change it, just some glue and duct tape and it was all good to go back.

There seems to be a rule that if you are inside of the curve and more than half a length of your car is next to that outside car, the curve "belongs" to you. They are discussing now and Hamiltons argues in his own favor of course, but that was never half a length of Hamilton's car. Hamilton couldn't give up emotionally in that situation since it is his home race. What I would dislike very much is if Hamilton wins the championship with a couple of points ahead. If you kick your hardest competitor out like this, that's just bad for the competition.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 19, 2021, 10:30:09 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2021, 10:18:52 AM

What a shocking start it was! Just as I expected, the race started with a high competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the 1st place. Verstappen defended him really well until a point. But they had a huge crash and Verstappen was through the barriers unfortunately. Hamilton got a 10 sec penalty for that but I still think that it was Verstappen's fault. Verstappen just pushed his luck too much there.
Now, Leclerc is still leading the race. He has a decent gap with Hamilton (2 sec). The pit strategies will be really important. If Ferrari does a strong pit stop with Leclerc, I think that Leclerc has a really big chance to even win the race.

I am really happy to see a Ferrari back in the podium once again! They've been struggling last season but I think they're making a huge comeback this year.
With regard to Verstappen's crash, I think it's partly Hamilton's fault for not giving enough room on the right side of the corner. Even with the slightest contact, Max flew like a stick and crashed into the barrier. When you're driving around 300 kph on corners, it is to be expected that you have to give some room especially if you are the one overtaking.

Ferrari did need to be seen up there so to still stay relevant in the upcoming races. Leclerc did a superb job in holding the bulldog as long as he did.

And with the crash, I don't think it was Hamilton's fault at all.
He knew if he let Verstappen through, then the race was lost. As were these similar outcomes in the past.
He was just lucky Max didn't get injured at all (maybe a bruised knee or ankle) to cost him so not be able to appear in a race or two.
Then I think the penalty would of been more serve during and after the race.

In the meantime, while we wait for the start of the Hungarian grand prix in nearly a week and a half, here are the next three episodes of Braking Point:
Part 5:
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Part 6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTDKyT-TYIc
Part 7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8Ar4J4Few

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on July 19, 2021, 10:30:09 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2021, 10:18:52 AM

What a shocking start it was! Just as I expected, the race started with a high competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the 1st place. Verstappen defended him really well until a point. But they had a huge crash and Verstappen was through the barriers unfortunately. Hamilton got a 10 sec penalty for that but I still think that it was Verstappen's fault. Verstappen just pushed his luck too much there.

Now, Leclerc is still leading the race. He has a decent gap with Hamilton (2 sec). The pit strategies will be really important. If Ferrari does a strong pit stop with Leclerc, I think that Leclerc has a really big chance to even win the race.

I am really happy to see a Ferrari back in the podium once again! They've been struggling last season but I think they're making a huge comeback this year.

With regard to Verstappen's crash, I think it's partly Hamilton's fault for not giving enough room on the right side of the corner. Even with the slightest contact, Max flew like a stick and crashed into the barrier. When you're driving around 300 kph on corners, it is to be expected that you have to give some room especially if you are the one overtaking.

yeah i think its the stubbornness of Hamilton made him make contact with Max. he wanted to stay close to him so he could force him to back out.
as you can see in these image how Hamilton trying to get past Leclerc from the same corner, he hit the Apex in the turn so he had plenty of room if he had done that with max.

I don't think that it was his intentions to touch his wheel because in that scenario both cars could have spin or Hamilton gets at least a puncture, he did some damage to his wing but miraculously didn't need to pit and change it, just some glue and duct tape and it was all good to go back.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2021, 10:18:52 AM

What a shocking start it was! Just as I expected, the race started with a high competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the 1st place. Verstappen defended him really well until a point. But they had a huge crash and Verstappen was through the barriers unfortunately. Hamilton got a 10 sec penalty for that but I still think that it was Verstappen's fault. Verstappen just pushed his luck too much there.

Now, Leclerc is still leading the race. He has a decent gap with Hamilton (2 sec). The pit strategies will be really important. If Ferrari does a strong pit stop with Leclerc, I think that Leclerc has a really big chance to even win the race.

I am really happy to see a Ferrari back in the podium once again! They've been struggling last season but I think they're making a huge comeback this year.

With regard to Verstappen's crash, I think it's partly Hamilton's fault for not giving enough room on the right side of the corner. Even with the slightest contact, Max flew like a stick and crashed into the barrier. When you're driving around 300 kph on corners, it is to be expected that you have to give some room especially if you are the one overtaking.

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Quite a while away (July30th) but the next race in Hungary will be here before you know it. Wink

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Quote from: boltz on July 17, 2021, 04:00:22 PM

Tomorrow race should be a good one , right ? Lewis told after the Sprint Race that tomorrow he will bring his A game and also hopes for a good response from the fans. I do also think that Max has the necessary pace to keep that distance but start of the race should do the difference.
What is your opinion after the first Sprint Race in F1 history ? Personally I loved the first 7-8 laps when the action was hot with multiples cars fighting for positions.

Those were the defining word of the race. 'Keeping the distance but the start of the race should do the difference.'

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Quote from: DIA7 on July 18, 2021, 11:41:22 AM

nope Hamilton didn't win the Fastest lap as Perez pitted in the last couple laps and put on slightly used Soft tires to take The fastest lap point from Hamilton so i don't think you won the special bet on Hamilton.

Yeah you're right. Just found out. Stupid me.

I guess I got confused then, because to get the point for fastest lap, you also have to finish in the top 10, and Perez only finished the race in 16th. In fact, him changing to soft tires to get that point was precisely why they made the rules for only Top 10;)

But either way, you're right, I just checked and that bonus point didn't go to anyone in Top 10 so ouch for me. Shoulda known that was too good to last =(

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 18, 2021, 11:34:13 AM

All's over and Hamilton 1st place, and got the fastest lap time too -- very tight -- so I booked that nice 4/1 Special from Sportsbet -- first major win for me for the last two months, very pleased with myself. Just didn't think it'd be that close to 2nd -- had it over 12 secs from 2nd.

It still took a nasty 1st lap accident, bet you Lewis knew exactly what he was doing there. The only way to stop Verstappen from running away with this race. Wide open now.

nope Hamilton didn't win the Fastest lap as Perez pitted in the last couple laps and put on slightly used Soft tires to take The fastest lap point from Hamilton so i don't think you won the special bet on Hamilton.

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All's over and Hamilton 1st place, and got the fastest lap time too -- very tight -- so I booked that nice 4/1 Special from Sportsbet -- first major win for me for the last two months, very pleased with myself. Just didn't think it'd be that close to 2nd -- had it over 12 secs from 2nd.

It still took a nasty 1st lap accident, bet you Lewis knew exactly what he was doing there. The only way to stop Verstappen from running away with this race. Wide open now.

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How many probes Mercedes need to cut out Bottas?
Everybody see today he cant cut a 10 seconds gap to leclerc, then comes Hamilton and pass he and cut all the gap whit no effort.

And for me its a race incident the crash between LH and MV. Leclerc deserves the win but the pace in that hard compound was shit.

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And after screwing my bet Hamilton still ends up winning.
Ferrari team should have told Leclerc to push harder the minute Hamilton started shipping a second every lap.
I liked how Leclerc managed to stay ahead of Hamilton at the restart of the race and kept Luis behind despite having an inferior car.

Quote from: buwaytress on July 18, 2021, 09:57:59 AM

Damn, this is looking good for me. I did the Hamilton 4/1 Special (but he also needs to have the fastest lap) and I got Bottas 11/1 (should have taken 12/1 with boost would have been 14/1 maybe!). Hamilton's 10-sec penalty shouldn't do much but he needs to win this race to get the season back on track!

AND my 4-3-free has LeClerc to finish top among the options, so I hope to get something out of this race.

Check sacrificed 10th spot so he can put soft tires and take the fastest lap from Luis so that it would be a point less then he would taken.

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What a shocking start it was! Just as I expected, the race started with a high competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the 1st place. Verstappen defended him really well until a point. But they had a huge crash and Verstappen was through the barriers unfortunately. Hamilton got a 10 sec penalty for that but I still think that it was Verstappen's fault. Verstappen just pushed his luck too much there.

Now, Leclerc is still leading the race. He has a decent gap with Hamilton (2 sec). The pit strategies will be really important. If Ferrari does a strong pit stop with Leclerc, I think that Leclerc has a really big chance to even win the race.

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Damn, this is looking good for me. I did the Hamilton 4/1 Special (but he also needs to have the fastest lap) and I got Bottas 11/1 (should have taken 12/1 with boost would have been 14/1 maybe!). Hamilton's 10-sec penalty shouldn't do much but he needs to win this race to get the season back on track!

AND my 4-3-free has LeClerc to finish top among the options, so I hope to get something out of this race.

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Quote from: jaberwock on July 17, 2021, 03:44:17 PM

Russell is a british driver, driving for a not so good car (probably second worst car) and the race is on silverstone with nearly all british fans. It was expected that they would cheer for Hamilton, but to cheer for Russell wasn't really a weird situation neither, it is basically a given. However dude finished like 8th or something with the second worst car, by calculation the average expected of him is 17th, why? Because the other car is latifi at 18th and then worst cars 19th mick and 20th mazepin.

Anything above that shows that dude is doing better than expected for the car he is given. However I have to say Williams is a great qualifying car, it is not as good of a race car. I feel like dude will hang tight in silverstone for a few laps at the best but I do not think that he will be racing for too long at those positions, he will once again be lower than points positions.

I very much agree with this statement.

Russell is just magical. The fact that he finished within the top 10 with a less-superior car shows his raw talent and skill on the racing field. I am kinda doubtful as to whether he should stay in Williams or to go to another team with a champion-contender car. I really do think that he'll have an opportunity soon to prove that he can definitely stay at the podium.

I ended up jinxing him lol, he has 3 places grid penalty and will start 12th place if I am not wrong. Williams is a mercedes junior car, and that means Mercedes basically already holds his contract and raised him so much, I doubt that they will let him go that easily.

Bottas and Merc already has a lot of troubles this year, it is looking like they are going to have their differences come out public eventually and in that situation Merc could just hire Russel the moment they want, remember last year? He raced in the Mercedes car and was doing so good as well for a while. Long story short he will move to Mercedes soon and take Bottas' place, it could be either sometime inside the season when everything boils over, or it could be at the end of the season but I do not see Bottas staying for too long which leaves the door open for George to take over.

yeah I'm not seeing Russel finishing in points for Silverstone. i was a bit surprised that they didn't give him a a penalty on the spot a 5 sec penalty would be too much because its not a full race and you don't do pits stops to serve the penalty. i thought since it was in the beginning of the race the FIA tends to be a little forgiving
but today after i found out that they gave him 3 places penalty because that contact made Sainz lose some spots dropping to 18th i believe now he will be back ahead of him in 10th.
bit more then an hour left i got small bet on both Redbull cars finish in points odds at 1.5 Perez will be starting last but he learns from his mistake and will looking to finsih top10.

Edit and by that my bet is went flying,
Verstapppen is out after the contact with Hamilton.

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