https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741592
One last time, to hammer the points into their thick skulls...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5736229
Bitcoin isn't decentralized, it is controlled by a few pools which have more than 50% of the hashrate.
Bitcoin is taxed as a commodity, and normal people aren't going to want to keep tax records for every small transaction they make. This is why Bitcoin can never advance as currency.
Because of this Bitcoin is already controlled by the governments. When they are ready to bless their bankster fiat patented solution, they will simply increase the taxes to unbearable levels.
The masses will readily jump to the fiat solution which has theft protection, chargeback protection, don't have to jump through hoops to use it and get it. Instant transaction times, etc, etc.
Bitcoin is a joke. It is for speculators only, not for serious uses.
If you were really serious, you'd have an anonymous coin that can't be taxed, with cpu-only mining that can't be centralized in pools. But you aren't serious. You are just n00bs.
Get off my lawn kiddies. Bye.
(and fuck you too, all you fucking idiots who berated me)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5740803
Did the salient point just fly over your damn head?
The masses will never adopt Bitcoin because it will require them to keep records on every acquisition and disposal of Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is classified as a commodity by most all governments.
Legal tender fiat does not have this requirement. When you buy goods and services with legal tender, such as a hamburger, you have no obligation to keep a log for tax purposes.
And the other salient point which fly right over your head is that only merchants want the nonrefundable quality of Bitcoin. The consumers want protections such as the ability to dispute a charge, the insurance that their funds can't be stolen, etc..
Thus merchants can't exclusively accept Bitcoin, because the masses are NEVER going to use Bitcoin.
Duh!
Buffet's point is that Bitcoin can't become a unit-of-account where everyone transacts in it, thus no need to convert to and from fiat. And he is correct!
However, there is a way we could make him incorrect, but you all don't want to hear it, so just go on your fucking merry-go-round way... I am done with you morons.
WTF are you hallucinating about? Did I announce any altcoin? No!
If you realize that, holding bitcoin doesn't seem all that bad now does it?
The masses don't care about your complaints about central banking! They want debt, insurance, protection, convenience, and free handouts! Only you high tech merchants and gold bugs care.
Can moneygram quickly send money to people in over 180 countries who normally use only one of over 50 different currencies?
The masses have no need for that feature.
Duh.
You morons either don't have a brain stem or you don't use it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5740914
The people who designed Bitcoin obviously knew that all those who are against central banking would create a ponzi speculation bubble and ignore the facts that the masses don't share their enthusiasm for killing fiat, central banking, theft protection, consumer protections, etc..
So those people who the governments wanted to trap have walked right into the trap!
And so now all of you have mixed your funds with drug dealers and all sorts of other illegal activity.
The masses are not coming in. Those stupid enough to buy into this bubble are going to not only lose all their money, but you are also going to be in criminal trouble.
Bitcoin is a trap. Period.
Enjoy.
Mark my words. I am 100% sure I am correct.
P.S. Buffet knows the plan. And he knows what is going to happen to you. Don't you know these people have been quoted as saying, "they will burn the fingers of the gold bugs up to their armpits".
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741003
There's a high probability that the $100 dollar bill in my wallet and maybe even some of the $20's have traces of cocaine on them (based on research that's been done). So I'm fairly sure that my fiat funds are mixed in with all kinds of illegal activity, so how does that make BTC any different?
Because the government can decide who it wants to target (first) and who it does not (or will target much later).
Remember how it works as socialism crashes. The masses are boiling frogs.
This quote from the decline of Germany into the abyss is on point:
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Also the government can offer digital currency to the masses, so they will be protected from cash. Fits right in with the plans to eliminate cash, so they can tax and track everything in the new world order.
See Bitcoin was the designed under the government model of, "problem, reaction, solution". Bitcoin will be seen as somewhat interesting idea but a huge problem in terms of fraud, lack of consumer protection, inconvenience, tax compliance, etc, and then the government and the big banks (of which Buffet owns a couple) will offer digital currency which solves the problems.
To those people who think Satoshi wasn't a task force from the Fourth branch of government, you are not rational.
Satoshi wrote that he expected Bitcoin to be taken over by ASICs, he expected mining would become centralized by large capital, he chose the 10 minute transaction window, etc.. This task force knew very well what they were designing and why.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741309
Where he wrong is in his appraisal of the idea of "intrinsic value".
No he is not wrong.
Bitcoin can't become a unit-of-account for the reasons I just stated. And thus its intrinsic value is that of a money transmitting service, with heaps of irrational speculation on top (because Bitcoin can't do serious things that the masses want and it can't even do serious thing that we enthusiasts need, which is be anonymous so we don't end up in trouble).
We could make him wrong by making it impossible to tax a crypto-currency, but you all don't want to hear that and I don't think you have the balls for that. It wouldn't be for the masses, it would be for us, as the masses tax themselves into the abyss over next several years as socialism collapses.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741869
So you are talking about a ponzi scheme conspiracy to attack people that "are against central banking"? Like, "make all these "anti-central-banking-bastards" poor by letting them invest into a ponzi and then let the bubble pop"?
Who are these "pro-central-banking-conspirators?
The Fourth branch of government.
You are a threat to their continuance of crony capitalism power.
They don't prosecute themselves. How many examples of bank court cases being dismissed do you need me to cite?
Perfect sense.
The bankster digital fiat will not be decentralized. It will be just more of the same of what we have now in terms of electronic banking.
And remember they can offer everyone loans in their currency.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741903
I don't agree with your reasoning here.
By any measure, de-centralised currencies are a step away from "government control". Yes, government can issue a "cryptocurrency" but they can't control it other than by "hoping" then people will use theirs instead of another crypto.
Lets say they "declared" it legal tender and allowed people to pay their taxes in "govoCoin". So what ? It's not a substitute for true control such as the central banks now have over fiat.
My gosh you missed the main point. The masses like fiat! They don't require that the digital currency of the world needs to not be a fiat.
And you did not address the point that the masses don't like the properties of Bitcoin:
- Mixes traceable illegal activity with their funds
- No protection against theft
- No refundable protection
- No consumer protection
- Very volatile price
- Must convert to and from fiat which is a hassle
- Very slow transactions, and confusing
- No government guaranteed deposit insurance
- Can't obtain a loan or credit card in bitcoins
- There is no cash version to use offline.
Fiat doesn't have those weaknesses. Fiat has other weaknesses which we are concerned about, but the masses don't care about those weaknesses that bother us. Later the masses will fall into the abyss, then some of them will learn to appreciate our ideals but most of them won't learn.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5742244
- Mixes traceable illegal activity with their funds
- No protection against theft
- No refundable protection
- No consumer protection
- Very volatile price
- Must convert to and from fiat which is a hassle
- Very slow transactions, and confusing
- No government guaranteed deposit insurance
- Can't obtain a loan or credit card in bitcoins
- There is no cash version to use offline.
Fiat doesn't have those weaknesses. Fiat has other weaknesses which we are concerned about, but the masses don't care about those weaknesses that bother us. Later the masses will fall into the abyss, then some of them will learn to appreciate our ideals but most of them won't learn.
Duh. I wonder if you guys even have a brain stem.
Whether or not we "have a brain stem" you certainly don't understand much about how the mechanics of present money system, nor the difference between what banks do and what payment processors do.
The Bitcoin blockchain is no substitute for a payment processor services (i.e. the handle supermarket transactions for example). But then it was never intended to be. The services you cite above such as refundability, payments insurance, consumer protections etc are not provided by the bank clearing system per-se. They are all 2nd third and fourth tier services, largely serviced by 3rd parties.
Those services would be provided in a bitcoin economy just the same. The only difference would be that you'd "reacharge" your Visa account via the blockchain just as you do at any of the Cryptocurrency exchanges today.
If the transactions will not be on the block chain, then you have unregulated fractional reserves, just like we did during the wild 1800s in the USA where the private banks were creating "receipts for gold on deposit" out of thin air.
Just like the Mt.Gox and numerous other failures past and to come, you've essentially just recreated the mess that the public wanted to end and why we have central banking now to regulate that mess.
The key innovation of Bitcoin is to regulate the mess with decentralized proof-of-work, so nobody can cheat. When I see my transaction on the block chain, I know there were no fractional reserves created.
Once you enable the fractional reserves, you've enabled the government regulatory powers, and then you are essentially back to fiat again.
And for what gain for the masses? None. Just woe and trouble for them.
If you really want to crack this nut, you need to improve the technology more. You need strong anonymity. You need instant transactions. Etc.
All of this can be done. But you all don't want it done.
You'd rather fight for the status quo so you can keep your trap.
Suggestion or idea to help Bitcoin.
merchant discount rate (MDR) in order to accept electronic forms
of payments. In the United States, the average MDR is about 2.5%
for offline retail payments and 3.0% for online retail payments
(though these fees vary widely by merchant size and type). Today,
the use of virtual currencies could theoretically eliminate these
fees as they do not rely on traditional banking/payment networks.
That said, Bitcoin gateway service providers such as BitPay and
Coinbase, which enable merchants to accept Bitcoin payments,
typically charge a fee of about 1%.
I was a download software merchant in the past. I don't know if it has improved but in addition to the 3.5% MDR, I also paid 0.5% to the payment processor, and I had another couple of percent loses to chargebacks.
So the actual cost to most small internet merchants is 5+%.
That is significant. But again the consumers don't care.
Now if you can offer a significant discount for using Bitcoin, i.e. if the lack of chargebacks significantly lowers your cost of doing business, then consumers would care!