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Quote from: milewilda on November 02, 2021, 05:08:24 PM

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they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

of course we can blame it on influencers if they do something that is not ethical
the fact that they are working doesn't magically makes integrity evaporate.
they're responsible for researching if what they are promoting to their audiences is legit or not

So where you would be heading first if you do find out that you had been deceived? This is some sort of situation that there's no one you should blamed on but only yourself.
You did make out such action or step and you havent been forced on to do so which it might really be unethical for them to show off some decieving thing but doesnt mean
that you could really blame them off directly since you are the ones whose willing to gamble on despite of that non fair site or service they are promoting into.
Yes, it sucks but i dont believe that there's something you can do.

I guess I'll blame myself for making that mistake because I trusted this approach, and of course, I'm the one to blame for being greedy with money. Gambling is gambling, and there is always a risk involved, especially if we trusted other people and realized it was just a business after all. Why would you rely on other people's money? Of course, we should conduct our own research on such matters before attempting to make a quick buck.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on November 02, 2021, 10:17:06 PM

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Quote from: Lanatsa on October 30, 2021, 03:51:12 PM

When greed starts to kick in then this is where problems do occurs because if you do really tolerate such behavior and specially you are dealing with gambling

then you would really be finding this to be a problematic ones when the time comes where issues do really rise up.This is something a really hard thing to resist or avoid on.

Ethical or non-ethical it wouldn't matter because they would really be doing all sorts of things which they do really believe on that they could
able to take advantage.

I agree, even some people can't stop gambling even of they know thta gambling won't do any good at all unless you are super rich where you can waste your money like it is nothing compare to those whp are not and because of that, many have become greedy and face more problems or adding more problems. They may think like that but the results would be different.

They can't stop gambling because they are fed up by the loop created by the casinos and they eventually get addicted either they win or loss, it's the same result. When you win, greed takes over and having the desir to win more and if you lose, you can't get out empty-handed because that money you gambled was maybe your monthly salary and you want to get back that money you lost until you didn't realized that you're in a debt already.

Promotions are other kinds of techniques (that looks to good to be true) are alreay a scam to get that money you brought into their casinos. And it's not very new!

in terms of the nature of addiction
gambling addiction can be a bit like drugs (or pretty much the same)
the difference is that it'll be more on the psychology than on biology
but could be even more dangerous
mind is matter

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Quote from: nakamura12 on October 30, 2021, 04:32:55 PM

Quote from: Lanatsa on October 30, 2021, 03:51:12 PM

When greed starts to kick in then this is where problems do occurs because if you do really tolerate such behavior and specially you are dealing with gambling

then you would really be finding this to be a problematic ones when the time comes where issues do really rise up.This is something a really hard thing to resist or avoid on.

Ethical or non-ethical it wouldn't matter because they would really be doing all sorts of things which they do really believe on that they could
able to take advantage.

I agree, even some people can't stop gambling even of they know thta gambling won't do any good at all unless you are super rich where you can waste your money like it is nothing compare to those whp are not and because of that, many have become greedy and face more problems or adding more problems. They may think like that but the results would be different.

They can't stop gambling because they are fed up by the loop created by the casinos and they eventually get addicted either they win or loss, it's the same result. When you win, greed takes over and having the desir to win more and if you lose, you can't get out empty-handed because that money you gambled was maybe your monthly salary and you want to get back that money you lost until you didn't realized that you're in a debt already.

Promotions are other kinds of techniques (that looks to good to be true) are alreay a scam to get that money you brought into their casinos. And it's not very new!

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 02, 2021, 11:32:49 AM

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Quote from: herurist on October 29, 2021, 01:20:41 PM

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

of course we can blame it on influencers if they do something that is not ethical
the fact that they are working doesn't magically makes integrity evaporate.
they're responsible for researching if what they are promoting to their audiences is legit or not

So where you would be heading first if you do find out that you had been deceived? This is some sort of situation that there's no one you should blamed on but only yourself.
You did make out such action or step and you havent been forced on to do so which it might really be unethical for them to show off some decieving thing but doesnt mean
that you could really blame them off directly since you are the ones whose willing to gamble on despite of that non fair site or service they are promoting into.
Yes, it sucks but i dont believe that there's something you can do.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 02, 2021, 11:32:49 AM

of course we can blame it on influencers if they do something that is not ethical
the fact that they are working doesn't magically makes integrity evaporate.
they're responsible for researching if what they are promoting to their audiences is legit or not

Well said! They can be blame since they are well aware from the things that they are doing, though most of them are not cared about it, more on the money side they knew that it will be an easy money maker for them, some directly get good compensation from the house while others are taking money from the stream videos and referrals.

Those people who follow and watch their stream are the ones who are prone to being victimized. Many gamblers who follow streamers suffered from big losses.

They've been moved by those streamers to try their luck and use whatever strategy being shared. Embarrassed

Without any knowledge that those games are just for encouraging more players and nothing is for real, even the bet that streamers are using. Angry

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Quote from: herurist on October 30, 2021, 11:00:02 AM

Quote from: nakamura12 on October 29, 2021, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: herurist on October 29, 2021, 01:20:41 PM

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

of course we can blame it on influencers if they do something that is not ethical
the fact that they are working doesn't magically makes integrity evaporate.
they're responsible for researching if what they are promoting to their audiences is legit or not

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Quote from: agustina2 on November 01, 2021, 06:56:27 PM

And at the end, viewers are the ones that will be decide for themselves if they will follow the streamer or not.

It's really not new to see that kind of advertisement because it's EFFECTIVE and CHEAP compare buying an ad slot at a popular platform.

Yes, you are right. As long as the viewers can be wise with what they watch and not tempted by the videos, they will be okay and know what they need to do. The key in this matter is how we can react to everything that we get from the internet, not just from the videos that we watch, because the internet will have almost everything that we want, bad and good, and that needs our awareness to react.

I think the cost will not be too high compared to the other advertisement but we never know how much the cost. If that kind of promotion still works for the casino, the casino owner will still use that.

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The man makes a point tbh, if you ever want the worst example of anything in gaming EA will surely oblige on every count they can accommodate profitably. A hypocritical exclusion for the sake of censoring anything outside their revenue stream fits right into their line of thinking and self bias. The company literally peddles pay to win to any of their customers, they are all about exploitation and corruption of fair gaming. Pretty ridiculous, I doubt they can see it and those that do dare speak up.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on October 30, 2021, 03:51:12 PM

Quote from: herurist on October 30, 2021, 11:00:02 AM

Quote from: nakamura12 on October 29, 2021, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: herurist on October 29, 2021, 01:20:41 PM

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

When greed starts to kick in then this is where problems do occurs because if you do really tolerate such behavior and specially you are dealing with gambling

then you would really be finding this to be a problematic ones when the time comes where issues do really rise up.This is something a really hard thing to resist or avoid on.

Ethical or non-ethical it wouldn't matter because they would really be doing all sorts of things which they do really believe on that they could
able to take advantage.

And at the end, viewers are the ones that will be decide for themselves if they will follow the streamer or not.

It's really not new to see that kind of advertisement because it's EFFECTIVE and CHEAP compare buying an ad slot at a popular platform.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 01, 2021, 05:51:17 PM

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Quote from: Saint-loup on October 24, 2021, 05:27:54 PM

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

Yes but for the children the problem is more complex than that because even if the child/teenager is aware that the streamer is not gambling with real money he will lust after gambling because he won't be aware as an adult of what money worth actually and how people are making money on other people. He will be naive about his actual chances to win in the long run and how much he is likely to win or to lose.

And personally I cannot think of a way of solving this, even if YouTube somehow implemented a system similar to what we see in the movies and rated a channel depending on the content that they depicted at the same time, maybe they already do it but I am not aware of it, there are many people watching YouTube videos without an account and as such the only thing a kid would have to do under those circumstances to watch their favorite channels is to watch YouTube without login into his account, so it seems that like always the only way to prevent something like this is for the parents to be alert and know what their children are watching on the Internet.

There's no way the young generation will not encounter gambling in their life. Even without Youtube, Social media, gambling is like a disease that can easily be spread. And with social media more, awareness is spread fast.

But we should not think that young generations can easily be attracted to gambling especially at this fake bets by some social media influencers. I'm sure they are using their common sense to decide whether they will gamble or not regardless of how popular the streamer is.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on October 30, 2021, 06:14:29 AM

Quote from: Silberman on October 26, 2021, 05:06:41 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on October 24, 2021, 05:27:54 PM

I agree with you but you shouldn't forget that most viewers of this kind of videos are very young and one part of them is not adult. Then there is a need to find a way to prevent them from being abused by those scammy/fake demos.

And this is the problem, if the audience of those kind of channels were people that knew that this kind of promotion is not real then there will not be such a huge issue, but many of those watching that type of advertising are people that do not have the experience necessary to know that what they are seeing is not real, and since they trust the streamer they try their luck in a casino due to that publicity thinking winning is as easy as what they saw in the video only to realize too late this is not the case.

Yes but for the children the problem is more complex than that because even if the child/teenager is aware that the streamer is not gambling with real money he will lust after gambling because he won't be aware as an adult of what money worth actually and how people are making money on other people. He will be naive about his actual chances to win in the long run and how much he is likely to win or to lose.

And personally I cannot think of a way of solving this, even if YouTube somehow implemented a system similar to what we see in the movies and rated a channel depending on the content that they depicted at the same time, maybe they already do it but I am not aware of it, there are many people watching YouTube videos without an account and as such the only thing a kid would have to do under those circumstances to watch their favorite channels is to watch YouTube without login into his account, so it seems that like always the only way to prevent something like this is for the parents to be alert and know what their children are watching on the Internet.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.The roobet casino is owned by TekHou5 Limited have deep pocket of funds residing wih them and its their technique of promotion.They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.

I agree that in the beginning, they have to do such as part of their marketing and they need to do it because it's a way to increase their popularity of them as they start out. It's not really new but when it comes to their popularity and they've make a success out of it and keeps doing it. That's the start of deceive which they should have stopped already when they've seen the result of their marketing as positive. Those that have became popular already and have their reputation to protect, they won't fake bets anymore because they're aware that it will rip their reputation that they've built overtime.

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Quote from: roycilik on October 30, 2021, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.

May I know what do you mean with Coupon and win big? Do you think their streamer account will always win?
in my opinion, don't be too serious about what Streamer does, for me streamer is entertainment (:
but it's not completely wrong if you follow what games the Streamer plays, just for fun...

The streamer may not always win but the effect is pretty much the same.

Do you think that you'd be able to take on more risk and get higher, more flashy hits if you were an actual gambler supplying your own capital, or a streamer who has a whole casino backing you?

Obviously the latter. And that's the issue.

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Quote from: STT on October 24, 2021, 06:20:47 PM

The only not legit video is when or if a player operated the game with fake odds ongoing and they were given an advantage not available to all players. Its not enough to call out just because yes the casino paid the streamer to play a game, demonstrating a product is normal in every industry I can think of. Did he win and lose the game in a way available publicly to everyone, thats fine then.
You can bet tiny amounts on most of these games, nobody is forcing people to use more money then they can afford to lose. Dont borrow money to spend on anything, definitely dont do that in gambling as it is just a game activity. I've seen no message to tell me I have to overspend, this is my own mistake to own I play small till Im very much more comfortable as thats best.

Advertising any product is normal the issue comes when false premises are sold as the truth, for example if a product was promoted as being able to do something and then you found out after you buy it this is not the case then you are within your rights to be mad about the false advertising, as if you wanted the product for that reason and then it cannot do it then you have been scammed in a way, this is what bothers people when they see those streamers, as they are promoting some casinos while being untruthful about what it can be expected when you are the one playing there.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.

Not just in initial times, many casinos are doing it on regular basis so that they could stay competitive in gambling industry by keep attracting new people to gamble with them. I also not not having positive opinion on this as deceiving new gamblers through fake promotion must be an illegal activity as per my jurisdiction. Even it is happening online, I cannot simply move on as it may impact my close friends or anyone similar to that. I am always filing complaint if I could collect all enough evidence.

You ain't just gonna totally conclude that promotions are fake
though they also have T/C's,remember it's their business and the must also be loses to customers most times for them to be able to gain and pay off their cashiers too,that's why its called gambling Grin

Most times,customers are given either 40% discount on every game or bonuses also like ;stacking for a particular amount for free
Greed kills everything

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Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.

May I know what do you mean with Coupon and win big? Do you think their streamer account will always win?
in my opinion, don't be too serious about what Streamer does, for me streamer is entertainment (:
but it's not completely wrong if you follow what games the Streamer plays, just for fun...

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Quote from: Lanatsa on October 30, 2021, 03:51:12 PM

When greed starts to kick in then this is where problems do occurs because if you do really tolerate such behavior and specially you are dealing with gambling

then you would really be finding this to be a problematic ones when the time comes where issues do really rise up.This is something a really hard thing to resist or avoid on.

Ethical or non-ethical it wouldn't matter because they would really be doing all sorts of things which they do really believe on that they could
able to take advantage.

I agree, even some people can't stop gambling even of they know thta gambling won't do any good at all unless you are super rich where you can waste your money like it is nothing compare to those whp are not and because of that, many have become greedy and face more problems or adding more problems. They may think like that but the results would be different.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.

Not just in initial times, many casinos are doing it on regular basis so that they could stay competitive in gambling industry by keep attracting new people to gamble with them. I also not not having positive opinion on this as deceiving new gamblers through fake promotion must be an illegal activity as per my jurisdiction. Even it is happening online, I cannot simply move on as it may impact my close friends or anyone similar to that. I am always filing complaint if I could collect all enough evidence.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on October 30, 2021, 11:27:27 AM

It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.The roobet casino is owned by TekHou5 Limited have deep pocket of funds residing wih them and its their technique of promotion.They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.

^ And besides, they are not doing this kind of promotion, marketing strategy is very important in any business and in the gambling industry, there are different strategies on how to do it properly. Look at them now and the slogan they had, they are the fastest-growing gambling casino because there is a lot of promotion they have made, and yes, having a deep pocket for capital to attract potential players is very important. As long as they are not fooling people and I think that is fine, as players we know how those streamers work are.

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Quote from: herurist on October 30, 2021, 11:00:02 AM

Quote from: nakamura12 on October 29, 2021, 01:33:31 PM

Quote from: herurist on October 29, 2021, 01:20:41 PM

they are like spices in a vegetable that is intended to make a product that many people look up to.
and indeed the first step is to make an agreement with the streamers or influencers in order to increase the interest of people who don't know about this.
although this kind of thing is very unethical but as long as we are on this path, we will prohibit it and maybe even we can find out something worse than this

It is a way to gather gamblers but it could also lead people to not trust the platform since the site provided a fake bets. Who would want to gamble in a site where even a bets record couldn't be share or using fake ones. That just means, they don't put a lot of effort in making their site more presentable and reputable and many will think that the chance of being scammes is high so it us better to let people know the real bets and total players betting when someone wanted to check.

apart from that all influences are workers and indeed we can't really blame it. because indeed they are paid even though it is really not justified but again they work and earn money in their own way.
apart from that they are just suggesting and the problem is human greed is so hard to control that's why more and more people are getting entangled

When greed starts to kick in then this is where problems do occurs because if you do really tolerate such behavior and specially you are dealing with gambling

then you would really be finding this to be a problematic ones when the time comes where issues do really rise up.This is something a really hard thing to resist or avoid on.

Ethical or non-ethical it wouldn't matter because they would really be doing all sorts of things which they do really believe on that they could
able to take advantage.

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