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Quote from: worldofcoins on October 21, 2021, 05:11:05 PM

Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

That's the purpose of advertising, to tell white lies about it so people would use it (either a product or a service) by paying influencers to promote it even though the influencers doesn't even really use their products. They only do such marketing because in that way, they could easily persuade people to appreciate their products and make a huge sale.

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

I also do remember LL Stylish promoting Stake on his twitch while playing league of legends. I'm not against it but he should've considered his audience which is under 18 mostly and he had over 10,000 Viewers at the moment that advert went online, Not counting his Youtube video containing the same Ad had over 200,000 Views, Casinos can't be blamed for it if the will power of people running streams isn't strong and they're easy to give in to these temptations.

That video should be restricted to user below 18 years old and there's a feature of this in Youtube so for sure no minors watching that advertisement. Fake bets are real, many are into this just to attract gamblers so its quiet risky if you get into that site because of that fake bets. Also, if those youtuber feature their earnings you'd better to think again because they might be part of the advertising team, so technically he's playing the money of casino.

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Quote from: michellee on October 21, 2021, 11:04:07 PM

I have to admit that a pro influencer can tempt people to follow their suggestion because those influencers play with their word pretend that will happen to people if they use the advice from the influencer. But a wise gambler will not do that easily as they will have knowledge and skills to analyze what they need to do after watching the influencer video. They do not have just to follow but think more about the risk and other things.

They won't be called influencers if they can't change the mind of their followers. It's one thing for sure that influencers can be part of the decision-making of their followers and that's easy for them to do. That's why they're paid and hired by different companies in doing so to add the craze for the company that paid them to advertise. For the gamblers who have experience and been gambling for years, they can't easily be manipulated by these people.

So from reading your post i can't understand: Do you consider fake bets and influencers who make them bad or not? And yeah, influencers can affect anyone who watching them. If you're watching someone for too long that means you can be influenced by this person even in small kind. And it's doesn't matter skilled gambler or not.

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Quote from: michellee on October 21, 2021, 11:04:07 PM

I have to admit that a pro influencer can tempt people to follow their suggestion because those influencers play with their word pretend that will happen to people if they use the advice from the influencer. But a wise gambler will not do that easily as they will have knowledge and skills to analyze what they need to do after watching the influencer video. They do not have just to follow but think more about the risk and other things.

They won't be called influencers if they can't change the mind of their followers. It's one thing for sure that influencers can be part of the decision-making of their followers and that's easy for them to do. That's why they're paid and hired by different companies in doing so to add the craze for the company that paid them to advertise. For the gamblers who have experience and been gambling for years, they can't easily be manipulated by these people.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 21, 2021, 07:31:46 AM

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Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

Not only for kids, even adults are sometimes get enticed by the influencers, but this is the reality, it's the life of a gambler, you either follow, fade or make your own analysis. There's a risk but if you keep making mistakes and you did not adjust, that means you should not gamble as it's not for you.

Yes it is, younger or older the thing is that the effect of these influencer to the gambling community is indeed sometime even those regular gambler has been lured by those fake gaming shown by these influencer .
Maybe the best to do is never let them fool people around us , let them know about their strategy and how they can prevent from that kind of foolishness .
and besides learn your own strategy and never rely to them.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 21, 2021, 07:31:46 AM

Quote from: michellee on October 21, 2021, 07:00:07 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

Not only for kids, even adults are sometimes get enticed by the influencers, but this is the reality, it's the life of a gambler, you either follow, fade or make your own analysis. There's a risk but if you keep making mistakes and you did not adjust, that means you should not gamble as it's not for you.

I have to admit that a pro influencer can tempt people to follow their suggestion because those influencers play with their word pretend that will happen to people if they use the advice from the influencer. But a wise gambler will not do that easily as they will have knowledge and skills to analyze what they need to do after watching the influencer video. They do not have just to follow but think more about the risk and other things.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 21, 2021, 07:31:46 AM

Quote from: michellee on October 21, 2021, 07:00:07 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

Not only for kids, even adults are sometimes get enticed by the influencers, but this is the reality, it's the life of a gambler, you either follow, fade or make your own analysis. There's a risk but if you keep making mistakes and you did not adjust, that means you should not gamble as it's not for you.

most of the people are not immune for cognitive biases and marketing triggers
most common ones we see are urgency and scarcity
people use it all the time, and they work

even the gambling websites with leaderboards, contests, so forth and so on

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Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

That's the purpose of advertising, to tell white lies about it so people would use it (either a product or a service) by paying influencers to promote it even though the influencers doesn't even really use their products. They only do such marketing because in that way, they could easily persuade people to appreciate their products and make a huge sale.

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

I also do remember LL Stylish promoting Stake on his twitch while playing league of legends. I'm not against it but he should've considered his audience which is under 18 mostly and he had over 10,000 Viewers at the moment that advert went online, Not counting his Youtube video containing the same Ad had over 200,000 Views, Casinos can't be blamed for it if the will power of people running streams isn't strong and they're easy to give in to these temptations.

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Quote from: michellee on October 21, 2021, 07:00:07 AM

Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

Not only for kids, even adults are sometimes get enticed by the influencers, but this is the reality, it's the life of a gambler, you either follow, fade or make your own analysis. There's a risk but if you keep making mistakes and you did not adjust, that means you should not gamble as it's not for you.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 PM

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

Yes, it is. But the young people can skip or continue watching the video without their parents or adult people around them knowing. It is hard to control young people to avoid that thing as they can watch it alone in their rooms and not tell anyone except their friends.

That can attract them to follow the bets from those videos without knowing that they are fake. We already see many young people's getting deeper into gambling games and the sad part is their parents does not know their activity and only know after they have a heavy gambling addiction.

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The youtuber Coffeezilla has great videos about this topic.
Unfortunately marketing is 99% deceiving and dishonest.I'm not talking about gambling marketing.
The entire marketing industry is full of lies and deceptions.
I'm not sure that advertising gambling games and casinos is even allowed on Youtube and Twitch.
If it's allowed,then maybe it's time for Youtube and Twitch to step up and regulate all the advertising of casinos and gambling activities,which happens on their platforms.
The gambling industry is heavily regulated on most countries in the world,and at the same time,gambling advertising is allowed on big platforms,without any restrictions.
I'm OK with gambling ads and promotions,as long as they are honest and not deceiving.

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Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

Those streamers may not realize it but what they are doing is dangerous, when we see an ad on television we have no possibility to interact with the person promoting the product and this is obviously even more true if we are taking about someone famous, but those people not only have big influence over their viewers, by interacting with them they can more easily convince them about buying or using the products they are promoting, which makes this a very effective way to market something and it makes even more insidious any kind of fake advertising.

That's the purpose of advertising, to tell white lies about it so people would use it (either a product or a service) by paying influencers to promote it even though the influencers doesn't even really use their products. They only do such marketing because in that way, they could easily persuade people to appreciate their products and make a huge sale.

In YouTube, there's a notification or warning if a video is not suitable for young people like below the legal age. I think it's the parent's responsibility to always watch their children's activities online.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 19, 2021, 04:50:11 PM

the interesting thing is:
some things can't be regulated and regulation sometimes will hurt more than help

but I'd agree that in terms of online marketing things can get tricky and we should be paying attention to how people make ads, specially when it comes to ads for kids
it'll still be easier to regulate it on traditional media than online

didn't see any news on twitch banning crypto related subjects too

You are absolutely right and the truth is that it is a subject of great intensity when it comes to advertising and when children have access to it, although parents are responsible when it comes to what their children see online, also all this It results from the type of regulation that can take advantage of it. In Twitch they have not removed any ban on online games and the truth is I do not think they do, now they are more popular thanks to games.

There will always be ways to negotiate when it comes to marketing, and those who can bother the most with this are the governments and entities associated with it, but in the end it all comes down to a business model.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

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Marketing tricks like this have started to appear a lot, not only gambling sites but also binary platforms using these tricks. surely some people have fallen into their trap, nowadays when we see an influencer playing on their account we have to be more observant to see which is just the marketing/advertising part to attract and which they are really playing.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on October 18, 2021, 06:09:45 PM

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Laws are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

I think regulating through Law isn't that bad if the commission's government take is low so the casino can set low House edge, But we know that's not how it works.

Government is greedy and will likely take as many possible commissions as it can from the Gambling company.
Well for Twitch there are streamers that are warning their users by putting 18+ in those streams but we also know that things don't work that way.
Children don't like to follow the rules at least not the majority of them so that 18+ in gambling live streams aren't doing much Unless there's a verification system on twitch accounts that doesn't allow kids to watch 18+ streams is a good idea.

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.

While I have also a problem with streamers like that at the same time we must remember that no one but ourselves is going to care about our money and the way we use it, it is obvious that kind of advertising strategy is predatory but if it exists it is because it works, so people need to find a way to protect themselves and not fall victim of such advertising, and in a way this is very easy to do, do not rely in advertising which is so obvious about its nature, instead try to look for sources that are as objective as possible, and one of the best places to obtain information like that is our forum.

The predatory advertising strategies like that only work because nobody is currently calling them out on it. We should have an accusation subforum for predators just like we have a subforum for scammers (aka scam accusations).

Once people start calling them out on their behaivor, we will see a huge change. But until then, we are stuck trying to get to the naive youngsters before they do.

I do not think they are going to care that much if we did something like that, those streamers are extremely shielded by their fans so instead of seeing that we are trying to help them those naive people are going to think that we are haters that are attacking the streamer for no reason at all, I know it sounds ridiculous but most likely this is what it would happen as in the eyes of their fans the streamers cannot do anything wrong, after all if they cannot see this is wrong then we need to wonder how many things are promoted in those channels that are just as shady.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 20, 2021, 11:37:57 AM

I believe this is to just for compliance because there are many kids who watch videos on YouTube but do not sign up or simply state that they are 18 years old. It's not that strict; it's just to ensure that they follow the rules. They are banning those scams or frauds, but not as quickly as they are copyright issues and plagiarism. I'm not sure why, but they still need to act. There are a lot of videos out there right now that promote scams and have a lot of views. We can't do anything about it, but we can be cautious.

We can report it up and hope that the team behind those streaming sites will act as quick as they can, there are indeed many scamming activities inside this platform and I agree also that they are quicker to ban or to give streamers plagiarism case than taking those scamming account down. If you do care about yourself or someone from your family better to keep an eye on what activities they are involved, better to quick fast than being sorry after.

Fake bets from streamers attract attentions from viewers who wanted to experience same luck. The problem with that, they've been alluring and being led to gambling sites where they are unsure if they are safe to play.

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I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

I do not think that setting an age limit on the channel solves this problem because many children and teenagers watch YouTube without registration. They are gullible and very often try to get easy money. That's why I'm of the opinion that YouTube should tighten its policy for advertising fraud up to banning the channel without the possibility of restoring it. Only such measures will help clean up YouTube from promoting scams.

I believe this is to just for compliance because there are many kids who watch videos on YouTube but do not sign up or simply state that they are 18 years old. It's not that strict; it's just to ensure that they follow the rules. They are banning those scams or frauds, but not as quickly as they are copyright issues and plagiarism. I'm not sure why, but they still need to act. There are a lot of videos out there right now that promote scams and have a lot of views. We can't do anything about it, but we can be cautious.

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Quote from: paxmao on October 20, 2021, 05:06:21 AM

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I agree, while young people normally have less experience of life, sometimes they are simply born astute, while others are not. And it also works differently in different aspects of life, for example, someone may be a very accomplished professional on some aspects of life and even be a tough negotiator, but then be quite gullible on regards to personal relations or gaming. Age is not determinant.

age is definitely not determinant
it's also interesting to observe how we usually value/categorize intelligence as memorizing skill and ability to recall facts or interconnect ideas but forget that there are many other kinds of intelligence like kinetic/movement intelligence, emotional intelligence, audition/musical intelligence, so forth and so on

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 19, 2021, 01:42:34 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Quote from: 3meek on September 23, 2021, 09:58:52 AM

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

I do not think that setting an age limit on the channel solves this problem because many children and teenagers watch YouTube without registration. They are gullible and very often try to get easy money. That's why I'm of the opinion that YouTube should tighten its policy for advertising fraud up to banning the channel without the possibility of restoring it. Only such measures will help clean up YouTube from promoting scams.

I agree, while young people normally have less experience of life, sometimes they are simply born astute, while others are not. And it also works differently in different aspects of life, for example, someone may be a very accomplished professional on some aspects of life and even be a tough negotiator, but then be quite gullible on regards to personal relations or gaming. Age is not determinant.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 19, 2021, 01:42:34 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Quote from: 3meek on September 23, 2021, 09:58:52 AM

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

I do not think that setting an age limit on the channel solves this problem because many children and teenagers watch YouTube without registration. They are gullible and very often try to get easy money. That's why I'm of the opinion that YouTube should tighten its policy for advertising fraud up to banning the channel without the possibility of restoring it. Only such measures will help clean up YouTube from promoting scams.

Youtube is only very strict on plagiarism issues but when it comes to scam issues you have to report it and prove that it is a scam they are not going to do their own research just to check if the project or ads they are advertising are legit or fraud.

Youtube is an open channel even a porn site and gambling review sites and Ponzi schemes can open without an issue at all and they will only get taken down if they are proven that they are giving false information and scamming people

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