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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 17, 2021, 11:10:14 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 16, 2021, 06:59:42 PM

If I'm not wrong when you go with your own registered account, you need to pay taxes. For this reason many people prefer KYC free platforms. Most of the time these Kind of fake bets can be seen on the no KYC platforms. Until one is registered, they'll be provided with some small bonus requesting to complete KYC. These users at times suffer, as they won't be able to claim any issues. Fake bets were a way to make users do KYC, because users are now aware about the winning probabilities of different gambling platforms.

Well, I think it is quite obvious, that if a website is going to not follow the law and find shady ways to do business, then its obvious they will be doing more things which are not trustworthy.

KYC is a bit of a double edged sword. It protects both the website owners and the people putting their money into that website. So if something goes wrong, its easy to prove whos money it was and who took it.

But then again, not everyone likes paying taxes or giving away private data.

Not giving private information is mostly the case from those people who don't want to process KYC, like what you have said, the process is a double-edge sword a good protection to assure that the site will be able to recognize all the transactions that you made, delays can also be avoided in case there's other unexpected concerns happened to you account.

I agree from a post above you, alluring other gambler to process KYC after seeing huge amount of bets from streamers. The implication is the site is good enough to handle those amounts.

It's still the gambler's obligation to deal with research before trusting any sites or follow any streamers.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on October 16, 2021, 06:59:42 PM

If I'm not wrong when you go with your own registered account, you need to pay taxes. For this reason many people prefer KYC free platforms. Most of the time these Kind of fake bets can be seen on the no KYC platforms. Until one is registered, they'll be provided with some small bonus requesting to complete KYC. These users at times suffer, as they won't be able to claim any issues. Fake bets were a way to make users do KYC, because users are now aware about the winning probabilities of different gambling platforms.

Well, I think it is quite obvious, that if a website is going to not follow the law and find shady ways to do business, then its obvious they will be doing more things which are not trustworthy.

KYC is a bit of a double edged sword. It protects both the website owners and the people putting their money into that website. So if something goes wrong, its easy to prove whos money it was and who took it.

But then again, not everyone likes paying taxes or giving away private data.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 17, 2021, 07:40:03 AM

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 17, 2021, 02:31:41 AM

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

When the intention is to earn money unfairly, anything is possible, don't doubt the ability of an influential person to do something to achieve their own benefits.
In a single video I've seen streamers posting speech bets on fraudulent sites, advertising links with referral code, earning from video platform advertising and in the end even selling some courses that "teach" their followers to make more profits with exclusive tips.
That is, they "shoot" to all sides, in order to get in one of these "shots" hit the target and get as much money as possible.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on October 16, 2021, 04:39:54 PM

Some startup casinos will give very interesting offers to make many more people play on their platform. And it may also influence us to think about whether the platform is legit or a scam.
We can see that most of them will give some certain bonuses that are very interesting and sweet as money.
They also sometimes add convincing things to make people believe in their new site by creating fake members that have been playing there and winning many bets and getting many bonuses.
But in fact, they need something when going to withdraw their rewards, such as having to deposit at a certain amount at first in order to be eligible to withdraw the reward and also other things required.
And this si what make sometimes us be suspicious of the platform.

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

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If I'm not wrong when you go with your own registered account, you need to pay taxes. For this reason many people prefer KYC free platforms. Most of the time these Kind of fake bets can be seen on the no KYC platforms. Until one is registered, they'll be provided with some small bonus requesting to complete KYC. These users at times suffer, as they won't be able to claim any issues. Fake bets were a way to make users do KYC, because users are now aware about the winning probabilities of different gambling platforms.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2021, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

copywriters will say that people care only about themselves

we always had psychology impact from marketing in all kinds of ad styles, this is just getting more sophisticated with the use of pixels and advanced tracking systems that can predict what you want or implement desires you didn't have before.

Adblock is a must for surfing web 2.0 nowadays

The adblock is needed but when it comes to streaming, you can't block those sponsorships that the content creator that you're watching. Whatever the channel or video they have advertises, you just can't block them. It's a different type of advertisement that we can easily block if it's from the provider itself but if the advertisement is coming from the content creator alone and is include to his content then there's no way to block them unless you don't watch the person.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 16, 2021, 10:10:39 AM

I could agree with you that the internet can be a bit like the wild west sometimes in terms of rules

When a new project appears on the market that has not yet been regulated, it almost always looks like in the wild west. See that even Bitcoin, which has been on the market for around 12 years, has still not been regulated. I think that this type of marketing campaign will also be regulated soon and it will all have to be official. It just takes a while longer for that.

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Some startup casinos will give very interesting offers to make many more people play on their platform. And it may also influence us to think about whether the platform is legit or a scam.
We can see that most of them will give some certain bonuses that are very interesting and sweet as money.
They also sometimes add convincing things to make people believe in their new site by creating fake members that have been playing there and winning many bets and getting many bonuses.
But in fact, they need something when going to withdraw their rewards, such as having to deposit at a certain amount at first in order to be eligible to withdraw the reward and also other things required.
And this si what make sometimes us be suspicious of the platform.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 15, 2021, 01:05:09 PM

As due to being fan of the streamer some of them too much support they are even supporting the platform promoting by the streamers and even though they didn't research how it use, the faqs and terms & conditions and read those important details how and what is the rule of the platform. This lead towards having mistakes and troubles to use their platform for their customer. Also, it's better if there's a guide by the streamer to their viewers and supports, of course, they are paid to promote they need to give a good reputation and image like helping their users or supporters.

Precisely! Those streamers should give ideas like with those viewers and supporters. It's very important to understand all the rules inside the house, though it should be gamblers responsibilities, but we also understand that there are many lazy gamblers who are not taking time in reading and understanding the house rules.

They will only concern about it when some problem already takes place and they need to coordinate their issue with the support team.

Better to know first and make sure that you really accept all those rules to avoid any unnecessary problem in the future.

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Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

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it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

This. That's why it's more of a problem really not on the streaming site but rather on the user themselves, Since let's say the streamers does indeed put the block, that's just on their side, if the user side wants to bypass it they easily can so it needs both parties really to adhere to the rules. Though I'd say rules are dead on the internet since, well, it's the internet. I'd really suggest that they just rather teach it themselves to their kids, better informed than ignorant since ignorance breeds curiosity after all, and would only lead to falling in deeper I say.

well we'll find good people and bad people in ALL areas, everywhere
sometimes the situation is not obvious as well, or the person thinks they're doing good and they're not in reality, many possibilities

I could agree with you that the internet can be a bit like the wild west sometimes in terms of rules

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 15, 2021, 12:17:13 PM

Quote from: Wexnident on October 15, 2021, 11:03:18 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2021, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

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it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

This. That's why it's more of a problem really not on the streaming site but rather on the user themselves, Since let's say the streamers does indeed put the block, that's just on their side, if the user side wants to bypass it they easily can so it needs both parties really to adhere to the rules. Though I'd say rules are dead on the internet since, well, it's the internet. I'd really suggest that they just rather teach it themselves to their kids, better informed than ignorant since ignorance breeds curiosity after all, and would only lead to falling in deeper I say.

Ignorance leads you to false beliefs. You need to be careful following whatever you see on the internet. This example should serve as learning not to just blindly follow what the streamers are telling you, but instead make your own assessment and make sure that you fully understand all those things that you are watching.

Online have a lot to offer, getting curious is not a crime but a responsibility. You need to be held responsible in each action that you'll going to take.

Be informed and allow yourself to understand deeper.

As due to being fan of the streamer some of them too much support they are even supporting the platform promoting by the streamers and even though they didn't research how it use, the faqs and terms & conditions and read those important details how and what is the rule of the platform. This lead towards having mistakes and troubles to use their platform for their customer. Also, it's better if there's a guide by the streamer to their viewers and supports, of course, they are paid to promote they need to give a good reputation and image like helping their users or supporters.

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Quote from: Wexnident on October 15, 2021, 11:03:18 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2021, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

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it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

This. That's why it's more of a problem really not on the streaming site but rather on the user themselves, Since let's say the streamers does indeed put the block, that's just on their side, if the user side wants to bypass it they easily can so it needs both parties really to adhere to the rules. Though I'd say rules are dead on the internet since, well, it's the internet. I'd really suggest that they just rather teach it themselves to their kids, better informed than ignorant since ignorance breeds curiosity after all, and would only lead to falling in deeper I say.

Ignorance leads you to false beliefs. You need to be careful following whatever you see on the internet. This example should serve as learning not to just blindly follow what the streamers are telling you, but instead make your own assessment and make sure that you fully understand all those things that you are watching.

Online have a lot to offer, getting curious is not a crime but a responsibility. You need to be held responsible in each action that you'll going to take.

Be informed and allow yourself to understand deeper.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 15, 2021, 09:09:08 AM

Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

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it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

This. That's why it's more of a problem really not on the streaming site but rather on the user themselves, Since let's say the streamers does indeed put the block, that's just on their side, if the user side wants to bypass it they easily can so it needs both parties really to adhere to the rules. Though I'd say rules are dead on the internet since, well, it's the internet. I'd really suggest that they just rather teach it themselves to their kids, better informed than ignorant since ignorance breeds curiosity after all, and would only lead to falling in deeper I say.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Quote from: 3meek on September 23, 2021, 09:58:52 AM

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

A lot of things can easily manage to break online, like giving a fake age during the registration, it is more often possible as nobody asks your ID or KYC just to watch their Channel and streaming. As this online promotion become useful at this time and more attractive, many people were also falling into their promising words and it looks good to be true.

And that you're right, these promoters don't care about the others but just themselves. It is all about how much they get paid, not how much they help the people who are watching them. They might found it guilty but it was too late already.

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Quote from: blockman on October 14, 2021, 06:46:12 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

it's hard to make a general rule in this case
some streamers probably care
some others probably don't

copywriters will say that people care only about themselves

we always had psychology impact from marketing in all kinds of ad styles, this is just getting more sophisticated with the use of pixels and advanced tracking systems that can predict what you want or implement desires you didn't have before.

Adblock is a must for surfing web 2.0 nowadays

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Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Quote from: 3meek on September 23, 2021, 09:58:52 AM

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

Except a few streamers, most of them only look for money. They can promote fake bets and fake sites if you give them money for promotion.
Anyways its our responsibility as to investigate before making any bets and do not blindly believe on the streamers on Twitch or YouTube.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on October 14, 2021, 09:17:30 PM

Quote from: Furious 7 on October 08, 2021, 12:42:23 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 07, 2021, 07:04:34 PM

Isn't a kind of marketing strategy of a casino? I do not see any harm in such tactics. I have not watched any streams recently but I remember many casinos promote such streamers on their platform. If you are smart enough then you should know that it is a marketing strategy to get more customers. Another question I want to ask from you which gambling website do you think is a saint?

Casino platforms will of course do marketing as a tactic for more customers and they are the ones who pay for a streamer with a large number of followers and are used to gambling streams so I think whatever it is marketing is still done that way, even I see a lot of downward streams that doing marketing on his casino, isn't this just after money and knowing his reputation?
I can't say it's sacred but it's true that many have done it, including even big casinos.

It's part of the promotion of course they create a platform and they want to become a popular and become one of the top gamblers, some of the streamers promoting their page at the same time the organization paid them to use and have their demo gambling tokens. Of course there are people becomes biases in different factor to use their platforms we cannot blame them too hard to change the perspective of other people.

We can prevent ourselves from following them directly but we must search for the other data to know if those streamers are making fake bets or making the real bets. But when it comes to the internet, that will not be 100% real because we see many things already happen and many of them hard to know if that is real or fake. The streamers could be promoting their page to have more subscribers while giving interesting videos to the audience.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on October 08, 2021, 12:42:23 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 07, 2021, 07:04:34 PM

Isn't a kind of marketing strategy of a casino? I do not see any harm in such tactics. I have not watched any streams recently but I remember many casinos promote such streamers on their platform. If you are smart enough then you should know that it is a marketing strategy to get more customers. Another question I want to ask from you which gambling website do you think is a saint?

Casino platforms will of course do marketing as a tactic for more customers and they are the ones who pay for a streamer with a large number of followers and are used to gambling streams so I think whatever it is marketing is still done that way, even I see a lot of downward streams that doing marketing on his casino, isn't this just after money and knowing his reputation?
I can't say it's sacred but it's true that many have done it, including even big casinos.

It's part of the promotion of course they create a platform and they want to become a popular and become one of the top gamblers, some of the streamers promoting their page at the same time the organization paid them to use and have their demo gambling tokens. Of course there are people becomes biases in different factor to use their platforms we cannot blame them too hard to change the perspective of other people.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on October 14, 2021, 04:04:01 PM

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

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