Topic: 🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥 - page 3. (Read 3857 times)

Those who question TECSHARE should know that he will try to sound like he is some "independent authority with the ability to think for himself". Fuck off you box peddling, penny snatcher. Stop this pretense of authority and "independent thinking", when in reality, you keep lying about your intentions as well as how things happened. Dishonest "businessmen" like you often resort to personal attacks. Not having the truth behind you ensures that you have to keep changing track like you are doing about your claims of having been added AFTER mediating.

I said I don't care about your issue with nutildah because I was only talking about your self-confessed intentions to bring diversity to DT-1, which isn't a bad thing by itself. The manner in which you are doing is what i disagreed with. You are not important, the forum and Bitcoin is. I just pointed out that as DT-1, you should exercise better judgement. Now it is evident to me that deep inside, you are a non-ethical penny-peddler who hides behind the facade of "practicality" and "business sense". In order to keep your house of cards intact, you invent lie after lie and change your story. Like you did with "I added those users because i want more diversity". When it gets too much, you take on the airs of "independent judgement".

The most likely conclusion is that you are a dishonest scumbag who adds people for reciprocal inclusions. I tried appealing to your better senses, only in regards to those people who say dishonest stuff like "Blockstream is controlling Bitcointalk through DT-1 to keep a hold on Bitcoin against the likes of BSV and BCH". Instead of commenting on that, you trade insults because that is the only thing a lying weasel like you can do, knowing fully well that you were dishonest to begin with.

I guess a lot of people who have tagged you actually are right about you. You label people who ask you to reconsider your judgement as "Dishonest third parties". The reason being that lying scumbags like you cannot have people asking questions. For people like you. the ends justify the means. "Ohh Look, I maybe trying to influence DT by exchanging inclusions with as many greedy fucktwats as i can, but its my choice, I am an independent party". You are unable to take any ethical stand because that does not suit your interests. When you lie, its natural that you cannot keep your story straight. So go on and continue with your trading. Just stop pretending about being honest or having independent judgement. People like you should really not be in Default Trust.

What's funny is that nowhere in your long-winded, insult-ridden response did you demonstrate how my timeline was incorrect.

Here's the order of events you presented:

1.

2.

3.

Here's what actually happened:

1. You added Turkish members to your trust list and they reciprocated (with the exception of Blacknavy who added you first).

2. You ended up back on DT1.

3. You mediated the dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community.

So, you lied. Stop lying and I'll stop correcting you.

Just because my reply is not consistent with your delusions doesn't make me a liar. It just means your assumptions about my intent are not only meaningless but incorrect. I responded to your accusation more times than I can count now, but some how you expect me to be able to prove my intent, but since I can't I am a liar according to you. You have ZERO evidence of anything except your determination to craft these series of events into some kind of malfeasance to serve your own personal petty vendetta.









The fact that you don't care that nutilduuh is pushing a personal vendetta here is relevant regardless of you caring about it or not. Disinterested third parties love making lazy casual observations not knowing the entirety of the story, but feeling perfectly confident giving their opinions about the situation anyway. The selective interpretation is where you tell me what I meant and cherry picking my replies to fit in with your half assed assessment. I don't know you and I don't care to. You are a muppet that just repeats what you see people like nutilduuuh say and treat it as fact. I have no interest in knowing people that don't have any ability for independent thought and pretend to know things when they are just casual 3rd party observers skimming the surface as lazily as possible. Maybe, just maybe you don't have any fucking clue what you are talking about and should keep your opinions to yourself.

I don't care what you guys have against each other. I just looked at this and just respectfully trying to understand your viewpoint. You call it "selective interpretation" because maybe you don't agree with it. Which part? I have only asked you to reconsider adding people for the sake of bringing balance or diversity. You keep saying that the "Clown Car" is opposing you because they don't want you on DT-1. Maybe, just maybe, that is because people expect more frugal judgement from someone on DT-1. I have just presented my opinion on it above. In the same vein, I only asked you that you should reconsider whom you empower. Gave you examples above too.

You have said earlier: (emphasis mine)

That is why i said:
I just wanted to present a case before you (thinking you are an old, influential member). In any case, its your own judgement. You don't have to be rude. You don't know me enough. Our only previous interaction has been business that didn't go through. I hope to buy a mystery box someday as they have rave reviews generally.

PS: Calling someone with an Amish" in name, a rube. That is rude even by DT standards, LOL..

You again completely ignored my post where I pointed out exactly how you were lying while using verifiable evidence to do so.


You were back on DT1 before the dispute with Timelord.

You speak but you are the one part of the  DT gang, you guys really pukable , just saying.

I'll just get making shitty scams so i can help people avoid them brb, oh well jolly i won't make any competence for you.

Same old repetitive gibberish filled with your delusional, opinionated, one-sided conclusions. Ohh and LOL @ your threats about branding people scammers because they don't agree with your nonsense. You are sick and deserve to be ignored. Goodbye!!

Shut up you liar. I have just about had enough out of your scammer supporting gob.

It was instamined end of story.

Lauda said he was on the launch and could confirm there was no instamine. He was repeating this for months even after all of the dark coin scam threads and even Evan capitulated and offered the 2 000 000 000 usd compensation airdrop.,  the 60 % in a day price collapse , the entire dark community spamming hate down on CH and those bringing the truth to people that it was an instamined scam. Even after all of that he was saying only butthurt people were claiming there was an instamine.

Various top tier devs have confirmed it was an instamine. GM says it was a scam.

500k coins mined in 1st hour from a total minting of 22m
Nearly 2m coins in one day? Lol

Not instamined you say ?

Just one of the other dash devs admitted he got way over 120k first day and had 100AWS instances on it
That was not evan Evan that was just one member of the dev team.

So you say it's all nonsense no instamine ?
The dev team instamined it to shit simple as that .

What ? you think cryptohunter just bullied the entire darkcoin dev team to offer a 20M or 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer to the forum because he just assumed there was an instamine?

This was launched when most pow projects were abiding by a fair launch protocol to prevent premines and instamines. Hence why xcoin/dash said fair launch no premine.  Then they admitted a huge problem onlyt after ch kicked up a huge stink about it.

You cant say well it wasn't instamined because some other pow coins may have in your opinion instamined
The comparison to bitcoin is absurd anyway.

You cant say a coin wasn't instamined because people made money out of it.

You are a scammer supporting ass licker and Roobet must be made well aware.

Preventing valuable warnings being placed on scum like lauda lying he was on the launch and could confirm no instamine took place just cos he held bags of it is scammer supporting 101

Now get ready to be branded for good a dangerous scammer supporter.
Many devs have reviewed it and said it was an instamine.
Any person deliberately and wilfully preventing valid scammer warnings being provided to honest members are as bad as the scammers themselves.

I dont care what other projects you think are instamines or premines it is irrelevant. Especially at that time when instamine and premine were big no no.

Dark was 100% proven an instamine and the dev offered 2 000 000 000 usd equiv compensation airdrop.
Even lauda calls it instamined scam now he dumped all of his coins
I don't accept CH invented the idea and bullied Evan into offering 2 000 000 000usd or 20m at the time offer that crushed the entire cap by 60% in a day if he knew he didnt do anything wrong.


Whether was accidental or not does not matter was still an instamine.

Funny though rather than fixing that series of " accidents " by restarting after only a few hours. They decide oh no we will cut away 75% of the remaining minting to magnify our instamined loot many Times over.
Scams scam pushers scammer supporters the forum is rank with them.

Lol at your heroes proven willing scam facilitators for pay and sneaky sock puppet racist trolling scammer supporters.
You probably are an alt of lauda dirt bag
These are non achieving newbie scum like you.

Now get back to the homework I gave you. Lol at nutildah and thepharmacist. Two proven dirtbags more of your disgusting friends. Fancy referencing those low life non achieving scammer supporting scum

The truth is not trolling.

Just more speculation,  scam excusing, scammer assmunching with some false equivalence and idiotic irrelevant comparisons.
Shut up and await your own thread. I'll get around to you after i get done with the members I have at least heard of . 

You completely sidestepped addressing Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Never mind that these things have nothing to do with the facts of the matter, what is important is that I demand you address them as if they are real! If you don't address them as facts then you are just side stepping them!










Good thing I have you here to tell me what I am saying, I certainly couldn't do that without you selectively interpreting my words into what you wish them to be. I explained myself several times, Nutilduhh is intent on pretending that they caught me in some kind of ulterior motives when it is based on absolutely nothing but their own assumptions and bias against me. I don't need to explain myself because I have done it 100 times already and Nutilduhh doesn't want to hear anything except the narrative that serves their personal vendetta.

Amishmanish, you are a rube. You don't have any idea what is going on around here no matter how much you believe you do. I don't have any problem with people's actions being explored. I have a problem with the fact that these interrogations almost exclusively are the direct result of criticism against the people who perpetrate them as a form of retribution. There is a reason due process exists in law, because it protects people from being subjected to a cavity search every time they look at the local constable funny. This forum is full of a bunch of losers running around trying to stick their fingers up people's butts because they don't like what they have to say, and it is revolting. Whats more anyone who speaks up about this is demonized as "causing drama" or "defending scammers", because no one gives a shit, until it is their butt of course. Fortunately for the amateur proctologists, and unfortunately for the rest of the user base, this is how singling out people works, and resistance is only possible when people act as a collective block. This is why a counterbalance to the peanut hunting proctologist clowns is so vital.

LOL..You provided no EVIDENCE you asinine, retard. you provided a post from a newbie account that somehow concluded that all 100 of those AWS instances and nodes were being run by the founder dev and his "TEAM". That is conjecture and not evidence. In the initial 4 hours, when the dev posted about a bug in code, the people who responded were also being updated and later said that they were later able to mine. This DRK coin later turned into DASH which people bought at cheap prices and it was filled with people from both sides. Those who benefited and those who lost. The ROI on CMC is >9000%. There were a lot of winners and a whole bunch of losers. The dev Evan had a lot of leverage due to the novel source code. No doubt, he is the one who benefited out of it most. Including a lot of people who got on the train early. In that, this is no different than ETH where the inital holders benefited immensely. Even BTC founder has a stash of a million BTC. That doesn't make it a instamine. Though of course, the brilliance of Satoshi meant that he walked away from that stash as well as from taking ownership of the community unlike the scammers who later peddled these Alts and made themselves billionaries. Everyone wishes that these distributions were more ethical but it just became the norm back then. There are a lot of people arguing about this on that thread.

Hence, you have debunked nothing. Every person on this forum with even a remote capability of analysis can see that you are a joke. You have had alts after alts peddling the same theories throughout your posting history. I am no super keen Lauda fan. I am only looking at your crap posts that you have littered the forum with. Lauda will get what they have earned. They have done a lot of stuff but most non-retarded people on the forum don't buy your shit about all the people who are trying to prevent scammers here. You seem to be the master troll whose ultimate aim is to distract everybody who is actively engaged in finding scammers or providing analysis that nails spammer. This includies nutildah, marlborozo, Lauda, The Pharmacist, LoyceV etc. All these are people who at some point have wielded sufficient power against alt-account spammers. You on the other hand are interested in defending the nouveau scammers on the forum.

LMAO..Where am i defending Lauda in the argument you freak?? I have only read the links you keep posting and people downthread itself don't completely agree with these "evidences". You spread lies, misinformation and hatred and give it the name of defending truth, you insidious bastard. Who gives you the authority to talk like you are some judge of people's intentions here? I have seen this pattern of pointing out signature campaigns and giving your stupid judgements. Fuck off you moron. I engage respectfully in this forum so don't you dare point fingers at me that I am part of some Alt-gang or defending any scammer.

YOU KEEP REPEATING THOSE PHRASES: "INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF, UNDENIABLE SCAMMER,".OLD BROKEN RECORD.

You have no authority here man. Your post history is proof that you have accomplished nothing on this forum and have no positive contribution. Envious people like you never do anything in life. You can continue with your jealous crusade. I would be happy to put you on ignore but I don't like doing such things as everybody has a right to their opinion.

 

God this guy is thick as shit. Still a mishmash of lies and misleading shit.

1. I just provided evidence NOBODY EXCEPT THE DEVS COULD MINE AT LAUNCH
Have another read. This was confirmed by the devs who offered a 2 000 000 000 usd equivalent compensation offer
You stupid lying asshole.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

This is now becoming deliberate and willful scammers supporting and spreading lies.

I will be reminding Roobet not to sponsor those spreading lies.

The rest of your crap quoting a proven willing scam facilitator for pay nutildah sponsored by fortunejack is hilarious.

You can read about that willing scam facilitator for pay here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.20

It is an impossible lie that lauda told that he was on the launch and could confirm no instamine happened.

Lol at the undeniable truth being trolling

Dont repeat your lies again. Those have long since been debunked conclusively

Lol at quoting proven willing scam facilitators.

Providing incontrovertible proof = trolling

What a scammer supporter. Is Roobet aware the are sponsoring members spreading lies to protect scammers ?

Chipmixer is also sponsoring many of these types. They must be warned about each one.

These are the exact types of lies .any chipmixer sponsored scum are promugating to protect and facilitate scammers.

Quoting proven scammers and their pals crying about trolling when they have been unable to debunk a single point made ever does not bolster your lies.

Debunk the points or accept them as true. Where did this a mish mash of scammer supporting lies comes from ? All of a sudden  a super keen lauda fan appears when lauda is getting busted hard?

I am starting to get that this is what he is doing. He contributes nothing except repeating the same old points and calling everyone names. His writing style clearly shows that he claims to be far more informed than he really is. He has no idea of "difference of opinion" about people that will be inherent in the forum like this. He clearly is trolling just for the fun of it, repeating himself condescendingly.

Seriously I am done too. He calls my responses as "Lies and speculation", fuck you bonesjones, you seem like someone who has gone off the rail for a long time.  Your hero CH himself was arguing in one of those threads that people on Windows should have been able to mine too. Then the others replied along the line that "If you are in crypto, you should know linux". At the same thread that you quote, there are plenty of people who are spreading FUD, and others replying to it who are talking about developers deserving some initial bonus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it. There is so much more to that story than just the narrative that you want to push. There are posts by people happy that they stumbled across it. There is an opposing group who thinks it was all planned. At the end, That XCOIN, DRK, DASH thing has the same story like so many other initial cryptocurrencies. A lot of people who won big, a lot of people who regret that they lost. Seriously, get over your bitterness about whatever happened to you. Try to be constructive and not be an arrogant, self-repeating asshole. You also don't reply to my questions on people spreading conspiracy theories at the Turkish local. You just keep repeating your own story and insulting others while throwing in more and more of old posts that agree to your own viewpoint. I took the time to read those posts that you quote as proofs. They turn out to be one side of the story and all depends on how one sees it. Yet, you want people to see it just the way YOU see it. Okay Mr. bonesjones, we are done here.

Yeah man. I think this is what feeding a troll is. My bad. He keeps claiming about how he is right about everything and insults anyone who doesn't agree to his viewpoint or opinion. He is just salty that people at the forum have done much better than him. Infact, most of the people who were here at 2014 or so, if they were any good at programming etc, most of them ran away with one or the other Alt and turned into those Altcoin businessmen and millionaires. Even the most idiotic of people from back then ended up doing something out of sheer luck. Bonesjones seems to be on of those people who completely missed out. That is why now he turns all his negativity towards this forum and some people here. Anyone who opposes him becomes a "signature spammer", "Roobet", "Bot" or whatever. With all the time he had behind him and spent on this forum, he could have done something constructive. I am done trying to argue with him.

More lies and irrelevant speculation.

Please do the home work again.

Lauda is a proven scammer telling impossible lies.

NOBODY COULD MINE EXCEPT THE DEV TEAM ON LAUNCH.

Stop lying


So lauda claiming and maintaining the claim to dupe investors for months

That he was on the launch so could confirm there was no instamine is an impossible lie.
Totally confirmed by the launch analysis and admitted by the dev team. On release nobody could mine except the developers.
Even if that were not true ( which it was) it could still and would still have been an instamine

He is telling a lie that is impossible.

Now stop telling lies and supporting scammers.

Lol at red tagging some whack a mole shitty 2 bit scammers whilst pushing the biggest scams

Lauda even calls it a premined scam when he has conveniently dumped his bags.

Newbies don't know shit.  Amishmash of misleading bogus scammer defending crap.

Lol at selectively busting 2 bit whack a mole scammers while pushing huge scams and extorting people and giving red tags to people for saying they will encourage people to review his history here.
Net positive lol

Anytime supporting scammers directly were I can find documented evidence are going to need be avoided by sponsors
If you want to sponsor members with documented conclusive proof of scamming or direct scammer supporting expect the truth to be exposed regularly. Campaign managers say they want trustworthy members

Well then these campaign managers better do their research.

If you want to sponsor scammers, or direct scammer facilitators and protectors expect the truth to be told

Strike all lies and misinformation from a mishmash I gave him the links directly to the truth and he comes back telling lies.
If I see him repeating these lies again then I must assume this is direct and undeniable scammer supporting.  

I also expect him and all chipmixer sponsored members to take the required action they should when dealing with any proven scammers
Those chipmixer sponsored members scammer facilitating and depriving honest members of valuable scammer warnings will be called out regularly and truthfully for the scammer facilitating untrustworthy and highly dangerous scum they are.

I got tired of seeing his toxic posts all over the forum some time ago, even the ignore button doesn't cut it anymore because everyone keeps quoting him - please stop doing that everyone!....lol

You strike me as an eloquent writer and I enjoy reading your posts, and because your talents are better suited in more productive discussions, I advise you to stop responding to the forum's biggest troll. You'll never change his mind about anything, and that's why he's a troll. Instead, he feeds on your responses -- his main dysfunction being that he mistakes bad attention for good. If you don't respond to him, he withers and slinks away, having to reinvent himself with a new account later on just to trick people into reading his asinine posts.

Frankly nobody understands why he hasn't been banned yet as he contributes nothing worthwhile to the forum and is obviously here just to troll, but meanwhile there's no point in expending energy on him. It took me a while to stop as well because of his continuous attacks me. Only after I stopped caring did I realize that nobody else cares about what he has to say either.

Let TS consider what he considers. Its your "opinion" that those in my trust list are greedy scammers. Similarly, in my opinion, the people i am asking TS to reconsider are greedy scammers.

You are so confident and troll these people incessantly because you seem to have been harmed some way by these people. You hate them personally or something. I don't know. You have been doing this from your CryptoHunter, TOAA days (the resemblance is unmistakable, i must say). I saw that the "extortion scam" that every one loves to talk about was the first one where this whole thing erupted between Lauda and others. TS also did not agree on the way it was settled. There is evidence that it wasn't done for scamming. Infact, the person it was intended for (zeroaxl, right?) himself said that no harm was done. Theymos got involved and lead to Lauda being removed from Mod/ Staff position. Lauda and a few others did over-exert their authority on the forum going so far as trying to be real-world sleuths and catch him for some "actual crimes" they thought he committed (including an exchange hack). This was the general over-zealous stretching of authority by Lauda. And, I agree that Vod also seems to do that quite a bit.

Yet, for someone like me who has only came to the forum in 2017 amid that crazy ICO bubble, I have seen that people like Lauda have been a net positive. I mean there was nobody else banning spammers and scammers so seriously till it became a forum hobby for merit-earning for a lot of people. That is why i trust their judgement. That Darkcoin conspiracy doesn't cut it. From the posts i can see that she said in the beginning that there was no instamine in the sense that "People with Linux could still mine". It ended up that only a few people had that capability at the time so ended up mining most of it. CH was particularly hurt on this because he indeed missed out because he was on Windows maybe.

An instamine would be one that automatically grants the founders lot of initial coins before a miner or any sort of hardware is out. it doesn't seem to be an instamine in that sense. 4 years later, Lauda seems to have changed her mind on a lot of Alts and while Alt-bashing she referred to it as an "Instamine scam". By that time, the ICO scams had all blown up pretty badly and the definitions for a lot of things changed. The hopeful brashness towards alts in 2014 had been replaced by a general consensus that they were mostly scams by devs looking to capitalize and exit scam. In 2014, people on the forum knowing and able to mine would not be called an instamine. By 2017-18, when Lauda made that statement, people had been making up ICO projects only on Telegram and ANN threads and just giving themselves the inital lots. That phrase "Instamine scam" covered a lot of things. The opposition to it not being an "instamine" in 2014 is technical, back when crypto was still mostly technical and had not blown up to the general public yet.

I am not talking about only the conspiracy theories they propagate about DT-1. Yet, from DarkStar_ saying that he did not know of the "trust inclusion" issue, it is clear that him not choosing Turkish posters has nothing to do with DT-1 conspiracy to corner all "juicy campaigns" etc. That is just ridiculous.
You seem to be only interested in the forum drama. I am also interested in Bitcoin. What do YOU make of all that bullshit about BCH, BSV, Blockstream conspiracy that those people are peddling in their threads?? Isn't this forum about bitcoin?? Its not about some scammer alt-coin. Members who aim to be respectable representatives of the community ought not be doing this just for promoting whatever scam-alt they think will give them most returns in the hopes of "flippening" or whatever peddled by Ver, Jihan, faketoshi. Forum drama aside, What is your opinion on that?


Mr. Jones, You are one of the few people in this forum who cannot blame anybody for "mish mash of weird ideas" and "slobbering". At least try to appreciate the effort it takes to get through your posts man.

Considering your trust inclusions list I don't expect TS should take any tips from you.
Stacked full of greedy self serving scammer supporters and scammers.

And how are you getting along with that home work i set you?

Have you finished fully researching the putrid scamming scum yet?

There is not one member I oppose that is not a proven dirt bag.

Lol at the conspiracy theories.

Stfu debunk the conspiracy or quit your scammer supporting slobbering.

Nutildah is a proven willing scam facilitator for pay who tries to delete the evidence and red tag his whistleblowers, oh yeah who doesnt want to wear a sig. 

A mish mash of weird ideas being splattered everywhere by some newbie who does not know anything of the history of members here or who does but still wants to support scammers.

Take your slobbering elsewhere Roobet.

I get it nutildah. I just wanted to re-state what TECHSHARE has been saying and try to look at it from his viewpoint. He has taken a personal interest in trying to make DT1 more diverse. I am only trying to make him see that his intention maybe good but the guiding factor should not be "I want to take a look on whoever the DT1-Clique targets". He has said here: (emphasis mine)

Through what i have seen of those particular Turkish users, especially Vispilio, they are eloquent but insidious. Just look at the posts spreading conspiracies about DT-1 controlling Theymos, Blockstream controlling DT-1 and all of them somehow conspiring to keep his alt-coins out of the forum. Isn't this forum supposed to be about Bitcoin?? The legendary and older turkish members are supposed to act as "guides" to the newer local members. Instead, this is the shit they are peddling in the name of "justice", "national pride" etc etc. Don't we have enough of the Roger Ver businessmen types who choose to make the most of the "business opportunity" even if it meant putting decentralization at stake?? (See quoted post from mindrust above)

These people keep saying that Theymos should do something. If there is one thing I know about Theymos from his past actions, he is not someone who would look kindly at people who attempt to change or disparage Bitcoin because they somehow aren't able to EARN enough from it. That behavior is typical of people like Ver, Jihan, Faketoshi. These are the points I have tried explaining to him. I hope he tries seeing it from this viewpoint. Him adding people to DT-1 and thus empowering them should be a more responsible action.

If he really wants diversity, there are plenty of users in the Indonesian, Fillipino and even Indian section who don't want to compromise on Bitcoin just so they can earn more for themselves. There are people contributing to technical sections and having a good enough knowledge on the history of bitcoin such that they don't fall for the conspiracy theories peddled by trolls on r/btc. What are we even doing at this forum if we can't stick to certain tenets?? I personally like to believe that this isn't just "business".

I wouldn't have stepped in if he hadn't said this:


This is not what happened. With the exception of 1 member, (Blacknavy), he added all of them first, before he knew how they would respond to his "mediation" (or well before the entire thing took place). The real order of events is this:

- TS gets included by Turkish members and ends up back on DT1 (with a positive score)
- TS "mediates" dispute between Timelord on Turkish community
- TS's reciprocal trust inclusion history is exposed
- TS falls back off DT1 (with negative net inclusions)
...7 months later...
- TS ends up "back on" the default trust list with +2 inclusions

Now he'll probably try to switch the subject to anything other than why he made up a fake timeline in order to make it seem like he wasn't fishing for reciprocal trust inclusions.

"Censorship! Blorgstream! Theymos!"

LoL  i didn't see this one before. Now he devolved into a Ver?

Tell that noob .com forum and r/btc is that way:
https://forum.bitcoin.com/
https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/

The pattern he is drawing is pretty much the same that Roger did in the past. All greed. They'll like each other well... for a while.