Topic: 🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥 - page 4. (Read 3846 times)

TECHSHARE seems to be saying that he does not need to explain his reasons to you. If we only talk about the trust with the Turkish users, he says that he may have added them for his own reasons. At one point, i think he has said that he wants the forum to have more diversity in DT1. That diversity also seems to be primarily targeted on having sufficient opposition to the "clown car" or whatever. LOL.

Hi TECHSHARE. I want to present a case before you. Please hear me out. You have an impressive trading history. You seems to be a person who wants solutions rather than drama but due to past conflicts with Vod etc., it seems that you have taken a stand against the "DT1 clique" that some people complain about. I can see that you don't like people going into the depths of a users history and bringing out their actions to gauge motivation, leaving negs and feedback on its basis. Yet, don't you think that the forum is more or less only self-policed against those who want to only milk for money through alts in campaigns or wish to promote alt-coins so they can get rich from Alts trading?

You add users to counter-balance DT-1. That does not seem to be a good reason. I saw that when you were trying to moderate honorably between AbitNut and that StonerStanley guy, it ended up being frustrating for yourself because the users didn't exactly turn out to be as reasonable as you had hoped.


Didn't that incident show that when someone of your stature (Old member, lots of trades, looked up to by quite a few) trusts people, it has to be a very well thought out step?? You are effectively empowering people. Do we empower people first and then see how they behave or do we judge them beforehand whether there past behavior demonstrates worthiness for more responsibility and power on Bitcoin forum?

I think the whole reason your trust inclusions were leading to such a conflict is because there seems to be a disagreement on the above questions.

Without going too much into the details, I think you should reconsider this stand of extending freedom to mean that everyone should be allowed to furnish in the forum irrespective of the fact that there motivations seem to be based solely on money. Money isn't a bad motivation but it shouldn't be the sole motivation. I know there is a lot of background to this but as far as i see from Vispilio's behavior, he has been going through this devolution of:
1. They are racist so they oppose me
2. The DT-1 are conspiring to keep Turkish members off "lucrative sig bounties"
3. The DT-1 is being controlled by Blockstream to keep Alts away from this forum.
Please look at this:

I can't help but feel that you are allowing yourself fall victim to the adage "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" a bit too much . Obviously, this is all just my interpretation based on what i judge from your words. You can have your reasons and are not obliged to explain to anyone. I am not trying to convince you. I am just explaining why I am convinced this way. Your desire to have objective standards for Trust ratings is a worthy target. It should be discussed in a solution-approach manner with everyone. Not as a kind of political stand between two warring parties that others take advantage of.

LOL! What up with you guys and this "we request the manager", "we request the management". Plus, we love Turkey out here. Its a great place. Isn't Istanbul the Constantinople of old? Also, Saying "Turkish Monkeys" does't mean that its meant for all people from turkey, Its only meant for the monkeys/ baboons from Turkey who cannot see beyond the loss of "lucrative signature bounties". I am sure there are a lot of perfectly good Turkish men out here in the forum. Just that many of them are afraid of global because of the propaganda from their elders.

Just get over trying to prove this "racism". Tell the people not to go overboard with crypto scams or multiple accounts for bounties. Other Locals have gone through that same evolution. The people there self-corrected. Scams still persist but as a community, we don't try to defend wrongdoing. Relax! You are doing fine.

Not just the charges in this topic! In order to avoid the "hateful" approach Lauda tries to place in this forum, all his actions must be examined! In particular, I invite the forum management and therefore @theymos to comment and do something about it.

I really want to ask the forum administration. Aren't you disturbed by the presence of such a person in the forum?
I don't know what he/she has to do with the Turks! However, if we consider that racism activities started to end in the 60s, he/she may have serious psychological traumas. When I wanted to look at the posts he/she wrote there are more than 4-5 mention about Turks in his/her profile on each page as far as I can see. I started to suspect that a Turk might have seriously hurt him/her. But I don't think he/she needs to be so afraid and hate the Turks, because I think that it is not worth as much as a fly in our eyes ...




At the point we have reached, considering the old flags about Lauda, the hatred and hateful understanding that she spread in the forum attracted the attention of the entire forum, not only us (Turks).

My post in the censored thread created by Vispilio was deleted but the original from bob123 was not.

I will re-post it here for all to see as there just might be something in it as bob123 outlined... 



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Could you explain how this is excellent? How does it relate to the points in the OP?

Looks like an interesting but largely off topic and irrelevant discovery?

Explain?

Here is an excellent post made by bob123 in the self-moderated thread Vispilio made:

Lying? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nutildah-willing-to-facilitate-scammers-for-around-300bucks-deleting-evidence-5190369

Come on nutildah adding some people to their trust list really doesn't compare to knowingly and willing scam facilitating for pay and then trying to conceal the evidence

Mr I don't want to wear  a sig here lol

Just waiting for you to get on chipmixer so they step up a notch in sponsoring super scum.

You completely sidestepped addressing the fact that I proved you were presenting events out of order. You were adding Turkish users to your trust list before Sept 7th, 2019, the day you involved yourself in their dispute with Timelord. There's no way I can make it any more clear to everybody than I already did.

Now stop lying.

False again and again.

I did not blame @Darkstar in this message or in my other messages. This was Lauda's claim. He is lying. Because he wants to manipulate. So you and lauda are lying

Lauda and his gang (yes including you). This is what you are trying to do with your lies. His trying to punish collectively. He tries to impress the managers with his power. It is clear that he has failed in this regard.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54149284

Please dn't lie about something that is clearly visible? You and others have give this impression many times that "Turkish posters have been targeted so DT-1 can control who can get into highly paid campaigns". Just see your own words from the reply in this topic itself.
(emphasis mine)

Here is a friend again making it all about "Signature campaigns"
I wonder who are these better qualified, meritocratic members he seems to think are leaving. The forum has  a lot of qualified members contributing and ranking up all the time. Its you and your club of people who employ things like cycling merit amongst each other to enroll alt-accounts in bounties and sig campaigns to "maximize" earnings.

Watch him making this about his "chances to get into CM" again:

Here is another one claiming it is about "high paid signature campaigns."

I could find more examples but these should be enough. I hope you can accept that this is what you all were focussing on earlier? Now that DarkStar_ has said he had no knowedge of that particular issue, it is clear that the removal had nothing to do with black propaganda or investigation on you. There is no need for Trukish posters to fear if they have done nothing wrong. People from all local groups have been getting into different campaigns for a long time. The only visible difference is that when someone gets caught abusing bounty, merit etc, the local community actually admonishes those people rather than going into a huddle in the name of nationality. Just read some of the posts in this link by other Fillipino members when a prominent member Polar91 was caught abusing bounties with alt-accounts etc.

As far as getting into DT-1 is concerend, it is not such a big deal anymore. With continued engagement and history of trades, more and more people will be coming into the group. The only requirement is that people in DT-1 should not give validation to conspiracy theories and should not cheat or abuse merit etc. to enroll into campaigns.

I totally agree with this advice, they don't bother about anything if it's question of power or authority over others. Lauda can go as far as publishing PMs, making public and private threats, damaging your financial assets and even threatening you with doxxing.

So far you seem to be making your own choices, but I think you underestimate the lengths this person will go to in order to subvert the people and the systems around here to get control. I am not judging your character, simply giving you a friendly warning. Don't give them any opening to exploit you, because they will at the drop of a hat.

The statements you've made in the proceeding post are simply not inline with the conclusive proof of lauda scamming that anyone can view.

No, sadly it doesn't matter at all if you bust some other scammers, it does not give you a license to scam others, extort others or trust abuse others to silence them telling the truth about your scamming. I would actually like to see evidence that lauda has ever busted a large scam. I can show you some he has pushed and lied to promote that is for sure.

So you need to accept that. I wont be hyper critical since your trust list appears respectable from what I can see.

However, I guess if the covid 19 fund is entirely transparent  with a complete ledger then the scammer lauda can do no real damage.
If someone could see an angle for lauda to exploit it would be in the forums best interest to mention it frequently  until that is no longer possible.

Now to get back on topic this thread is entirely bogus since the claims and concerns voiced in the original thread are completely founded and justified considering that lauda openly threatened to red tag the Turkish members If they applied and were accepted to chipmixer.

The other points that have been made on that thread are still there completely robust with zero chance of debunking them even though the scammer supporting crew are there plaster faux rebuttals with tons of merit whilst merit starving the posts that make the strong and accurate points that are providing the reader with accurate and truthful information.

That form of merit cycling on based of bogus politically biased garbage that attempts only to protect the status quo the chipmixer sponsored scammer supporters benefit from.

You simply can not twist away from the truth the observable independently verifiable  evidence provides.

Lauda the scammer is only part of the problem. He is a product of the broken system and a bunch of greedy self serving scum that simply care about making money or being popular than what is best for the forum.

Agree with you, it does not erase the harsh feedback (if this is the bad you meant) she left for others and this is why she is still in my distrust list. Isn't it clear that my trust rating reflects my judgement of the feedback she left? Of course this project has nothing to do with that and this is why we are working together.

If you do not agree with someone's feedback leaving judgements then just distrust them. The current DT voting allows you to do that.

Bud look, there is a reason that you and others are in my trust list on the other hand Lauda and some others are in my distrust list.


No explanation needed here, I guess?

I am a grown up man, able to make my own decisions, this will be very insulting for me, a defeat of my own self - if someone else comes in my life and starts manipulating me. Not happening bud. I am not that weak character. The day I will lose my interest on bitcoin, I will not care about anything in here.

This is a very old argument people always default to when people abuse the trust system around here. Doing good things doesn't erase doing bad things. Furthermore their participation in your project has nothing to do with their abuse of the trust system. Lauda has a habit of manipulating people and subverting them into doing their bidding via hook or crook. Don't fall into that trap, I assure you that is what they are attempting to do with you here.

There are no doubt that I trust Lauda with money, her intentions are clear that she cares this community. Her unconditional time to this forum, fights against scams, against frauds, against wrongdoings speak for her and I think no one can deny it.

But I do not agree with her when she sends out red trust so easily to others. Few days ago in Telegram I told her why she is in my distrust list. I felt this urge to explain to her the reason because I was feeling bad about it. I have discovered a different Lauda while we are working together in this project. Anyway, I told her the reason and also told her that she has to earn it from me and hope she does and someday I remove her from my distrust list. But I am not seeing this is going to happen very soon.

Kalemder, it's clear that you do not like Lauda, not only you but there are hundreds of users who are against Lauda, that's something in between you guys and Lauda but you can not deny the work we both are doing to support the community, and we are doing very well.

See so far what we have achieved in this short period of time:
1. Sent hygiene materials for 100 people in some part of the world where people do not have it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54409412
2. Sent supply to 20 families in Nigeria : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54432150
There are more to come on our way.
We are trying our best to keep everything transparent but still if you or anyone has any question about any wrong doing then let us know.
You have everything open in the blockchain: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3Covid19s5zLNzQHGGLBeqkizwApUb19bj
You have everything open in this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/112dk74xnUlgMHSREP4Ny0kqwrRSEUSAHrGjMJVwXQfY/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,

PS: From now on, I do not think I will be giving any response to any drama with Lauda and me being in this project together (how we ended up, why she is in my distrust list, why I trusted her to team up etc etc).

However, if anyone has any question about the funds moving in and moving out then I will be more than happy to answer anyone (I am pretty sure Lauda will be too)
Stay safe everyone.

Malicious people:
They use all their power to destroy the other. Justice, judgment, crime and punishment. They do not know these concepts. They are full of Ethnic Anger and greed.

People of this type should not have dt1 dt2 power. Because they cannot produce reliable judgment. You need to add these unfair people to your distrust list.  I suggest everyone to do this. The fair approach requires this. I'm not sure how to translate.  But there is an important proverb.

"Anyone who does not react to an injustice is a mute demon" or
"He who keeps silent in the face of injustice is a mute devil" - Prophet Muhammad

Lol royce777 can come to meta and describe to theymos and gm why he feels you are not a scammer after I publically request him to review this post

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-scammer-extortionist-nullius-twat-double-standards-cheater-5231720

Then we can add

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-scammer-extortionist-nullius-twat-double-standards-cheater-5231720

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354

I would really like to have GM analyse the latter one. Someone who actually be able to answer what went down there 100%

Regardless of which the first link provides undeniable evidence of scamming on your part.

Anyone supporting you in full knowledge of that should be also be watched closely and removed from DT

But this latest threat you made to red tag turkish members that applied and were accepted to chipmixer is up there with using red trust to tag those presenting the truth about your history here. This is clearly racist in nature and although I feel that word has become another cancer to erode freedoms and fairness in this case it would be accurate.

Chipmixer is paying people to support and join in with your abuse of this forum.

This must stop.

Darkstar cant hide forever I think this will now evacuate beyond the point of containment. I will do my best to see that it does actually.

Darkstar via his biased and corrupt hiring process is damaging the profile of a very useful and solid project.

They want him to advertise their great and useful service not bind it to a bunch of scammer supporting greedy racist scumbags.

He must engage in debate over his selection process or I see him being given the boot actually.

Wtf does chipmixer get out of their meta board 6 sigs per page lol
Has darkstar got rocks in his head lol

He is previously okay but obviously this has gone to far. Kick scammer supporters out of bind chipmixer to their reputations that many are starting to reveal now

I dont give a fuck who promotes them but I don't want to see them sponsoring this bunch of tyrannical scum that will crush free speech and punish whistleblowers and even go full racist to determine who earns from their advertising campaign.

Better they hire varied posters that dont seek to be tyrants and nobody will care or have anything to say unless they hire people that are scammers.

Hiring such a concentration of the same crew of meri cyclers, trust inclusions and red tag abusers who openly support scammers is a recipe for disaster.

Sorry but many have noticed now the game is up.

I am not side stepping anything, I am directly addressing your baseless accusation. Since you have chosen to attempt to make a lie truth through repetition, I am just going to start quoting some of the many responses I have already given to your argument which you refuse to actually address in lieu of repeating yourself like a parrot who desperately wants a cracker.

you can be trusted? how you can trusted if you are a proven scammer and fucking degenerate?
you even not in dt2 ( you newer will be there )

marlboroza you can shut up

Why do you even try to discuss anything with these users, they have their opinion which no one is able to change, they are not open for any discussion, they see everything as personal attacks, they act like when someone hate the other person so much that they will close their both eyes and just agree/disagree with something which is directed towards that person and it suits their narrative(no matter whether is something true or not), and, of course, they will receive merit for it. Discussion is pointless.

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I don't know, sometimes I have that strange feeling that I am reading posts from bunch of alt accounts.