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Topic: 🔥 FAKE: Defamation At Its Worst During Chipmixer Applications 🔥 - page 5. (Read 3859 times)

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1727
Be A Hope
Yeah.  A good way to dispel doubts. Since when do we authorize someone we don't trust to manage funds. I declare you are the supreme manipulator.

legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.
Royse777 explicitly excludes me because he does not trust my trust-related actions. That has nothing to do with actual trustworthiness, but with how you handle trust (and what political leaning you have - this of course being truth we like to hide, especially leftists which are not willing to admit that this is the case). I am proven that I can be trusted with more than all you monkeys combined. Wake up and stop lying you Turkish degenerate.
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114
His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

So what?

So what? So I'm just explaining to you what I meant since you misinterpreted it the first time, that's what.

None of the rest of what you said has anything to do with this issue.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1727
Be A Hope
His inclusion bumped you up to +1.

So what?

I don't remember it. Isn't it natural though?
I told you the natural process. Is it natural that I get negative because of this situation?
Anyway, what am I telling to whom?

"I stopped posting for the most part about 6 months ago." Account sales announcement

Let's talk about a more suspicious situation, for example: An account owner is moving away from the forum. He wants to sell his account. Then he deletes some of his messages. And it starts to spend more time with the forum. Lauda trusts him. He also says nothing against Lauda's injustices.

I know a member who started an account farm: Lauda. Also someone who entered the DT Blacklist.

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A member who deletes some messages in 2014 2015 2016 2017. While he is writing Russian, he is a member whose writing style has changed. Now he is collecting Funds with Lauda. Why are all suspicious accounts linked in some way to Lauda? Holy cow! Is that a coinsidence?

All this is a huge power war. I'm calling out to real fair users. The best solution: Disttrust and Ignore.
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114
(angry rant sidestepping the main issue)

None of this changes the fact that you keep putting forward a fabricated timeline. If you keep lying about the order of events, I'm going to keep correcting it.

- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he only added you because you had just been added to DT1. You were on DT1 with 0 net inclusions. His inclusion bumped you up to +1.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
You and your buddies have manipulated the DT system for far too long. I call on all DT members to start tagging you and your merit abuse and fake trust circle participants. You and your gang should not be allowed anywhere near DT.
I don't think tagging (AKA leaving negative feedback) is the right way to handle Trust abuse, and it definitely isn't the way to handle Merit abuse. It's also not something only DT-members should care about, anyone can become DT quite easily nowadays, so anyone should exclude (AKA adding their username with a ~ in front of it to your Trust settings) anyone who they believe abuses the Trust system.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
Top Crypto Casino
You and your buddies have manipulated the DT system for far too long. I call on all DT members to start tagging you and your merit abuse and fake trust circle participants. You and your gang should not be allowed anywhere near DT.


- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him. I read his positive judgments. And this is a personal right. I've been following before. Just like I added Loycev and Owlcatz. This is a subjective decision. I removed it after 10 days. Because I did not know about dramas. I am trying to get to know global members better.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h/487377.html

No interaction is required to add one. This simple detail does not show that I am a bad person. So do I have to get negative? Just like a scammer?

We must talk about real injustices. Like Lauda did.
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1727
Be A Hope
- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

False, again.

04-09-2019 The date I was DT1. After this date, I added TECSHARE (07-09-2019). So I was not dt1 thanks to him. I read his positive judgments. And this is a personal right. I've been following before. Just like I added Loycev and Owlcatz. This is a subjective decision. I removed it after 10 days. Because I did not know about dramas. I am trying to get to know global members better.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h/487377.html

No interaction is required to add one. This simple detail does not show that I am a bad person. So do I have to get negative? Just like a scammer?

We must talk about real injustices. Like Lauda did.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust.

Liar.

This is the 3rd time I have to correct your lies on this issue. Were you just hoping I wouldn't see this, or what was your plan exactly?

That said, if you review the original thread Vod bases his accusation on, you will see I made an effort to mutually resolve a conflict between members of the Turkish community and Timelord. This lead to several interactions with several of the members of the Turkish community, of which I gained respect for because of how they handled the response. I must assume they felt the same way and this is why they added me. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to and these accusations are nothing but a tall tale designed to make sure I wasn't allowed to be put back on the default trust instigated by people with very long time, publicly documented animus against me.

Your timeline is off. The trust trading was happening well before your involvement with Timelord's fake flag bonanza.

The post you linked is dated September 7th, and you were playing trust games with Russian and Turkish local board posters from July through August. The only reason these users were on your radar was because they had recently been promoted to DT1, and like you, were either off or barely hanging on by 1-2 votes. Your other great rationale for adding local board posters is because somebody like Foxpup, suchmoon or myself distrust them, which according to you, "makes them interesting." Still a terrible reason to include someone in your trust list, and evidence you don't belong on DT.

Your first interaction with the Turkish community was on Sept. 7th, 2019.

- In the last week of July 2019, you added by rallier and PHI1618.
- In the week preceding 8/10, you added bobita, helping him to reach DT1 0, and he added you.
- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

All of these additions took place before your first comment on the matter. It was because you had added these members to your trust list that you decided to "mediate" their dispute with Timelord, NOT the other way around.

As can be documented by your trust inclusion archive, you have a long history of adding people to your trust list as soon as they become DT1. It's obvious you are fishing for reciprocal inclusions. You're still doing it, BTW.

5/4/2020 10:16:29 PM   DaveF is selected into DT1
5/6/2020 1:56:59 AM     TECSHARE trusts DaveF



Is it obvious, or just you confirming your bias? Could it be that I am adding people who might have an actual effect on the trust system? Of course not! IT HAS to be because I am "fishing for inclusions". Pay no attention to the fact that he is still there even though he hasn't added me. You are not correcting anything, you are simply repeating your own assumptions, assumptions which I have already responded to many times.



In order to "manufacture timelines", one has to first operate on the assumption that your timeline means anything other than more assumptions on your part. You feel you have some kind of right to not only demand I explain why I included these people, but that it must be done in such a manner commensurate with your demands, or else I am "manufacturing timelines". It is not that you are making baseless assumptions, no, not at all, it is because I am "manufacturing timelines" that my replies don't meet the standards of your demands.

Not only that there were private communications as well, there is also the fact that I thought their trust lists were also positive additions.

Some of the users I added for the simple reason that I agreed with their trust list. Is this where you tell me again what is a valid reason for me deciding who I do or don't include based on your own personal preferences? Nothing you are accusing me of is anything that couldn't literally be applied to any other member actively using custom trust lists. Much like a fed uses process crimes to charge people with crimes when they have no evidence, you are using the idea that I don't meet your arbitrary standards in your interrogation as "proof" of my guilt. This is all just a game you are playing to pursue your own vendetta.


But since I admittedly can't prove that I know what you were actually thinking or what your actual motivations were, I ask that people look at the body of evidence presented and come to their own conclusions.


There is no "body of evidence". There are a string of assumptions, with accusations stacked on top of them upon which even more assumptions were based. That is not evidence, that is at best theorizing and nothing a trust rating should be based on. Once again, I manufactured nothing. You seem intent on this being some kind of deception, just like all your other assumptions here.

Some of the users I included because I thought their trust lists were beneficial, some of them I included because of their response to the advice concerning the removal of support from a frivolous flag. It is as simple as that, no "manufacturing of timelines" needed. This is purely a projection on your part designed to impugn my character to serve your own personal vendettas, and the vendettas of people like Vod.

Vultures like you saw I was achieving something positive and did a deep dive into my toilet bowl looking for any peanut fragments you could find in order to tarnish this effort that yielded positive results, because if I have a say in the default trust, I will erode the unilateral control and protection from being penalized for your own abuses that you and your friends currently enjoy. All the same people abusing negative ratings against me are all the same peanut hunters that are the most vocal in opposition to my calls for an objective standard of evidence before leaving negative ratings. This is about serving yourself, not about protecting the forum from me.



Weird, you get to make assumptions and just pretend they are facts, yet when people point out you posted your account for sale and that you can't prove it wasn't sold, of course that is over the line because... well because we can't prove it happened (even though it is a fact you tried to sell it, which would put other users at risk). You don't give a fuck about anything but attacking me with your bullshit. Facts be damned.

legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114
This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.

Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust.

Liar.

This is the 3rd time I have to correct your lies on this issue. Were you just hoping I wouldn't see this, or what was your plan exactly?

That said, if you review the original thread Vod bases his accusation on, you will see I made an effort to mutually resolve a conflict between members of the Turkish community and Timelord. This lead to several interactions with several of the members of the Turkish community, of which I gained respect for because of how they handled the response. I must assume they felt the same way and this is why they added me. I didn't do anything I wasn't supposed to and these accusations are nothing but a tall tale designed to make sure I wasn't allowed to be put back on the default trust instigated by people with very long time, publicly documented animus against me.

Your timeline is off. The trust trading was happening well before your involvement with Timelord's fake flag bonanza.

The post you linked is dated September 7th, and you were playing trust games with Russian and Turkish local board posters from July through August. The only reason these users were on your radar was because they had recently been promoted to DT1, and like you, were either off or barely hanging on by 1-2 votes. Your other great rationale for adding local board posters is because somebody like Foxpup, suchmoon or myself distrust them, which according to you, "makes them interesting." Still a terrible reason to include someone in your trust list, and evidence you don't belong on DT.

Your first interaction with the Turkish community was on Sept. 7th, 2019.

- In the last week of July 2019, you added by rallier and PHI1618.
- In the week preceding 8/10, you added bobita, helping him to reach DT1 0, and he added you.
- In the week preceding 9/7, you added Kalemder, helping him to reach DT1 1, and he added you.

All of these additions took place before your first comment on the matter. It was because you had added these members to your trust list that you decided to "mediate" their dispute with Timelord, NOT the other way around.

As can be documented by your trust inclusion archive, you have a long history of adding people to your trust list as soon as they become DT1. It's obvious you are fishing for reciprocal inclusions. You're still doing it, BTW.

5/4/2020 10:16:29 PM   DaveF is selected into DT1
5/6/2020 1:56:59 AM     TECSHARE trusts DaveF
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
Top Crypto Casino
You are a low-life dropping to these sub-human standards by using filthy words. Shame on you.

On the flip side, it must hurt you because you cannot delete any post here like certain members creating self-moderating threads to censor any dissent as they see it  Roll Eyes


Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life, otherwise you wouldnt need to hide in an internet forum to vent your extreme inferiority complex.

@jollygood and @mindrust, I haven't encountered more hollow sub human worms than you in any other place on Earth, you parasites make even the criminals of this forum look like nobility.

Someone should contact your parents in real life and convince them to lock you away for the benefit of civil society.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter.

1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER
The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.
Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.

Transalation:
"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."
Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal?
Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question.
As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence"

2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIO
The most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that.

But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM. The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here:

...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.

That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
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just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination,

I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points.

And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival  in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)...

So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times.
I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here.


Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly.

Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust. People like you having no idea how any of this works, or what is going on just read what these retards write and accept it as fact without any critical thought or examination of your own, and that is what they depend on.

As far as the negative for Vispillo over Yobit, Jollygood decided to make it his mission to negative rate anyone who used the banner, and punish people by guilt via association simply for using their banner. Jollygood went too far, and this kind of arbitrary declaration of guilt was again used as a vector of attack to make sure anyone who criticizes the current clown clan currently controlling the default trust never has any ability to balance out their vote within it.
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442

Careful, you'll have people joining Vispilio's gang just to take advantage of this prize Smiley

They seem to be very motivated already without the prize. (A prize should be motivating otherwise what good is it  Grin) I wonder what's taking them so long to find the multiaccounter cheater mother fucker. I even read that some of the moderators are also part of this "criminal" gang.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

Careful, you'll have people joining Vispilio's gang just to take advantage of this prize Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1148
Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

you will never find my multiple account because there is none!
note: I did not join chipmixer, but even if I do, it does not
note 2: there is no gang so we can't be a member. Would it be the gang that failed something?
If you are looking for a gang, just look at those who stock the money
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442
They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here.  Grin

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose.  Cool

Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life...



But I am a Atatürk loving Türk.

You call yourself a Türk? You and your kind are more like street scums. You need proper education. That's exactly what you need.

Just because a few morons like you gathered together in the Turkish local doesn't mean you represent all the Turks.




Let's do this, if any of you from Vispilio's gang can find someone who is cheating with multiple accounts in Chipmixer campaign, I'll delete all of you from my distrust list.

Find me only one person.

I can't bother to find all the posts you made earlier but you keep telling that people who participate in Chipmixer are mostly multi accounters.

Find me only one guy.

If you can't, then fuck off. And shut up.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1148
It is absolutely pointless trying to engage with the handful of Turkish gang-members that have colluded to try to sow seeds of hatred and division within this forum of ours. They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

For a merit abuser and fake trust circle participant such as Kalemder to say "There are more important things than money in this life" is just another attempt at misdirecting.


The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism.
False. I've generally stopped following forum drama and was not aware of the "affair" until now.
They claim you did it because of that, therefore it started because of that.

False. No such thing was claimed. Lauda and his gang trying to do this.  But you're unsuccessful. What you do is simple mouth games. What you write to Bitcointurk, Muslol and others.Look at the negatives. @Bthd stated an idea contrary to you.  The next day he was removed from the campaign. Everything is money for you.  So you tag every developing person. All this is power drunkenness. This is the effort to influence campaign managers.

Anyway.  Reason for removal was written and discussed earlier. I told him I trusted the Darkstar_  judgment. I respected his decision. My Turkish posts are appreciated by the turkish community.  I will continue to be useful to the Turkish crypto community. There are more important things than money in this life.

Stay with goodness...

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h/1003533.html

never get tired for nothing. there is a pretty big list here. distrust them all one by one, give one negative. let me put it in your judgment Smiley

edit: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-21_Sat_06.10h/1003533.html  this is a larger list
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 116
They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here.  Grin

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose.  Cool

Ataturk loving Turks must have fucked both of your mothers, sisters and wives in real life, otherwise you wouldnt need to hide in an internet forum to vent your extreme inferiority complex.

@jollygood and @mindrust, I haven't encountered more hollow sub human worms than you in any other place on Earth, you parasites make even the criminals of this forum look like nobility.

Someone should contact your parents in real life and convince them to lock you away for the benefit of civil society.

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1727
Be A Hope
Lies, anger, insult, oppression. This is too much.  I have added you to my disttrust list.  This is what reasonable people should do.
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442
They are compulsive liars who would probably sell their own grandmother for a photo of the traitor "Kemal Pasha" aka "fake-Attaturk" just because idolise him.

Nice one. That's exactly how I see it as well. If you ask these retards they'd say that love Atatürk a lot but in reality, Atatürk wouldn't use these useless shits to wipe his... i dunno. use your imagination here.  Grin

edit: ...his Nose. The word was Nose.  Cool
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