Group A Netherlands and Senegal will easily qualify from the preliminary but Ecuador will be a threat
Group B England and USA and Wales could surprise
Group C Argentina will be easy and Poland will follow
Group D France and Denmark don't seem to have any problems
Group E Spain and Germany but Japan seem capable of thwarting one of Spain and Germany
Group F Belgium and Croatia
Group G Brazil will destroy all opponents in this group, Switzerland may be the one to accompany
Group H Portugal and who will follow who qualify from this group will be tight because 3 countries Ghana, Uruguay and South Korea have the same chance.
Topic: FIFA World Cup 2022 Group Stage Highlights - page 71. (Read 11623 times)
The FIFA World Cup 2022 final draw is being held in Doha, Qatar. 29 teams out of 32 teams have already qualified. The draw is being held while the last 3 countries are yet to take their spot. This is how the table looks like.
, South Korea
Who do you think has the upper chance of making it out of the group stage to the knockout stage from the table?
Group A: Senegal, South Korea
Who do you think has the upper chance of making it out of the group stage to the knockout stage from the table?
Group B: england
Group C: Argentina
Group D: France
Group E: Spain
Group F: Croatia
Group G: Brazil
Group H: Ghana
This countries are the country i know that invest more in their football team without be biased for uplifting them, that's one of things that makes me to list them, and their performance also in football always be good in any tournament.
I too don't think that Qatar has any chance to finish in the top two spots. They have many naturalized players and they play for the money (at least I think that's the case). It's different when a player plays for his own nation because often they put an extra effort to play. Of course, this is football and surprises are always possible but in the group A I think surprise is reserved for Senegal to advance to the next round, especially now that Mane is injured and it's questionable if he will play for Senegal.
I'm not too sure just because of money problems they want to play for the Qatar squad, because most of Qatar's naturalized players are from Arabian peninsula countries, only 3-4 are from outside Arabia.
So in my personal opinion, it's not about money, I mean here for the naturalized Qatari players. for soccer players, playing in the world cup is a dream for most professional players who don't necessarily have the opportunity to feel the atmosphere of fighting in the world cup. they have a chance, and will play all out to the best of their ability. no matter which country they are defending. on paper, the Qatar squad is not a formidable opponent for a team that is in this group A phase.
however, they have a distinct advantage over the opponents they will face. Of course, being the home team was not the deciding factor for them to qualify for this preliminary round. however, we will not know until this fight starts.
Well, with Mane's injury things started to look a little better for Qatar. I know that a team plays football and not one player but stil I think that it's questionable what are the odds of Senegal advancing to the next round without him. I think that currently it is not 100% sure that he will not play (at least for what I read) but I think that there is more chance of him missing the World Cup than playing on it.
In that scenario you presented(one team with 9 points), the only way to have 2 teams with 4 points each is that the last team loses every single match and the 2 teams tie between each other.
That's possible, but I think it won't happen like that.
That's possible, but I think it won't happen like that.
Why not?
Let's take a scenario like this:
There are a total of 6 matches. Let's assume an outcome like this:
Ecuador wins all of their 3 matches, end up with 9 points.
Netherlands loses against Ecuador, draws against Senegal and wins against Qatar - 4 points
Senegal losses against Ecuador, draws against Netherlands and wins against Qatar - 4points
Qatar ends up with 0 points from 3 matches.
It is a hypothetical scenario, but still possible. If that happens, then the second ranked team will be decided on the basis of goal difference.
Yeah, you described exactly the scenario that I said could happen.
I just think something else will happen instead. Basically because I think there won't be a single team that will win the three matches, and another that will lose everything. I think it will be closer between the two at the top, and closer between the two at the bottom.
In that scenario you presented(one team with 9 points), the only way to have 2 teams with 4 points each is that the last team loses every single match and the 2 teams tie between each other.
That's possible, but I think it won't happen like that.
That's possible, but I think it won't happen like that.
Why not?
Let's take a scenario like this:
There are a total of 6 matches. Let's assume an outcome like this:
Ecuador wins all of their 3 matches, end up with 9 points.
Netherlands loses against Ecuador, draws against Senegal and wins against Qatar - 4 points
Senegal losses against Ecuador, draws against Netherlands and wins against Qatar - 4points
Qatar ends up with 0 points from 3 matches.
It is a hypothetical scenario, but still possible. If that happens, then the second ranked team will be decided on the basis of goal difference.
I too don't think that Qatar has any chance to finish in the top two spots. They have many naturalized players and they play for the money (at least I think that's the case). It's different when a player plays for his own nation because often they put an extra effort to play. Of course, this is football and surprises are always possible but in the group A I think surprise is reserved for Senegal to advance to the next round, especially now that Mane is injured and it's questionable if he will play for Senegal.
I'm not too sure just because of money problems they want to play for the Qatar squad, because most of Qatar's naturalized players are from Arabian peninsula countries, only 3-4 are from outside Arabia.
So in my personal opinion, it's not about money, I mean here for the naturalized Qatari players. for soccer players, playing in the world cup is a dream for most professional players who don't necessarily have the opportunity to feel the atmosphere of fighting in the world cup. they have a chance, and will play all out to the best of their ability. no matter which country they are defending. on paper, the Qatar squad is not a formidable opponent for a team that is in this group A phase.
however, they have a distinct advantage over the opponents they will face. Of course, being the home team was not the deciding factor for them to qualify for this preliminary round. however, we will not know until this fight starts.
Things looking equal for both Ecuador and Senegal even I have feeling Ecuador is better side but still its not easy game against Senegal and here we can face any result Qatar is surely coming at fourth, and they have no chance for going up because their quality is surely not good, and they are just playing as host and home advantage is good but not favourable many cases for me winner from Senegal vs Ecuador can go at second spot as both have ability to win against Qatar and Netherlands is not going to give any chance as they are looking for good result after absent from last world cup now they are at their best.
Ups and downs are part of the game even we can expect defeat for the Netherlands but realistically currently form and quality are not good from three teams to bring them down even a draw could be also counted as win for the team which done this against the Netherlands.
Ups and downs are part of the game even we can expect defeat for the Netherlands but realistically currently form and quality are not good from three teams to bring them down even a draw could be also counted as win for the team which done this against the Netherlands.
I too don't think that Qatar has any chance to finish in the top two spots. They have many naturalized players and they play for the money (at least I think that's the case). It's different when a player plays for his own nation because often they put an extra effort to play. Of course, this is football and surprises are always possible but in the group A I think surprise is reserved for Senegal to advance to the next round, especially now that Mane is injured and it's questionable if he will play for Senegal.
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Hmmm.. that is a bit dubious.
There are 4 teams in Group A, and each team will play the other once. There are a total of 6 matches in the group. A win gives 3 points, and a draw will give one point each to the teams. Maximum points available are 18, and for each team, the maximum is 9. But there is no guarantee that all the matches will end up as wins or loses. There can be draws as well. If the no.1 team wins all their matches, it will give them 9 points. But for the second place, it is quite possible to have two teams with 4 points each.
Hmmm.. that is a bit dubious.
There are 4 teams in Group A, and each team will play the other once. There are a total of 6 matches in the group. A win gives 3 points, and a draw will give one point each to the teams. Maximum points available are 18, and for each team, the maximum is 9. But there is no guarantee that all the matches will end up as wins or loses. There can be draws as well. If the no.1 team wins all their matches, it will give them 9 points. But for the second place, it is quite possible to have two teams with 4 points each.
In that scenario you presented(one team with 9 points), the only way to have 2 teams with 4 points each is that the last team loses every single match and the 2 teams tie between each other.
That's possible, but I think it won't happen like that.
3rd place will not do any good for either of these two (Qatar and Senegal) teams. Because only the top two will qualify for the next round. What they should target is a draw against either Netherlands or Ecuador. Take Senegal for example. If they could get 1 point from the matches against Ecuador or Netherlands and win the match against Qatar, then it will give them 4 points from 3 matches. And with some luck, that may enable them to finish within the top-2. But even getting a draw is going to be a herculanean task.
Things looking equal for both Ecuador and Senegal even I have feeling Ecuador is better side but still its not easy game against Senegal and here we can face any result Qatar is surely coming at fourth, and they have no chance for going up because their quality is surely not good, and they are just playing as host and home advantage is good but not favourable many cases for me winner from Senegal vs Ecuador can go at second spot as both have ability to win against Qatar and Netherlands is not going to give any chance as they are looking for good result after absent from last world cup now they are at their best.Ups and downs are part of the game even we can expect defeat for the Netherlands but realistically currently form and quality are not good from three teams to bring them down even a draw could be also counted as win for the team which done this against the Netherlands.
There is a total of 9 points to be had at that stage, and things can get tricky.
Say for example that one team wins three matches, and another one wins two (Probably Netherlands and Ecuador, in any order as I think they are the stronger teams), then it's done for the other 2 teams as the top teams will have 9 and 6 points.
Qatar or Senegal might have a chance if The Netherlands and Ecuador end up tied, but still it will be very hard to go to the next stage with 4 points only in that group. Winning at least twice will be crucial.
Say for example that one team wins three matches, and another one wins two (Probably Netherlands and Ecuador, in any order as I think they are the stronger teams), then it's done for the other 2 teams as the top teams will have 9 and 6 points.
Qatar or Senegal might have a chance if The Netherlands and Ecuador end up tied, but still it will be very hard to go to the next stage with 4 points only in that group. Winning at least twice will be crucial.
Hmmm.. that is a bit dubious.
There are 4 teams in Group A, and each team will play the other once. There are a total of 6 matches in the group. A win gives 3 points, and a draw will give one point each to the teams. Maximum points available are 18, and for each team, the maximum is 9. But there is no guarantee that all the matches will end up as wins or loses. There can be draws as well. If the no.1 team wins all their matches, it will give them 9 points. But for the second place, it is quite possible to have two teams with 4 points each.
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3rd place will not do any good for either of these two (Qatar and Senegal) teams. Because only the top two will qualify for the next round. What they should target is a draw against either Netherlands or Ecuador. Take Senegal for example. If they could get 1 point from the matches against Ecuador or Netherlands and win the match against Qatar, then it will give them 4 points from 3 matches. And with some luck, that may enable them to finish within the top-2. But even getting a draw is going to be a herculanean task.
3rd place will not do any good for either of these two (Qatar and Senegal) teams. Because only the top two will qualify for the next round. What they should target is a draw against either Netherlands or Ecuador. Take Senegal for example. If they could get 1 point from the matches against Ecuador or Netherlands and win the match against Qatar, then it will give them 4 points from 3 matches. And with some luck, that may enable them to finish within the top-2. But even getting a draw is going to be a herculanean task.
There is a total of 9 points to be had at that stage, and things can get tricky.
Say for example that one team wins three matches, and another one wins two (Probably Netherlands and Ecuador, in any order as I think they are the stronger teams), then it's done for the other 2 teams as the top teams will have 9 and 6 points.
Qatar or Senegal might have a chance if The Netherlands and Ecuador end up tied, but still it will be very hard to go to the next stage with 4 points only in that group. Winning at least twice will be crucial.
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The first group is very unpredictable and has 4 strong teams. Senegal is the strongest team from CAF and therefore we can't underestimate them. Qatar has the home advantage and their recent form is really good. Although I don't think that either Senegal or Qatar may be able to defeat Netherlands, it is quite possible that one of the matches may end up as a draw. And if Ecuador manages to defeat Netherlands, then qualifying scenarios for the next round will get very interesting. And Netherlands do have a history of suffering big upsets in the world cup.
The first group is very unpredictable and has 4 strong teams. Senegal is the strongest team from CAF and therefore we can't underestimate them. Qatar has the home advantage and their recent form is really good. Although I don't think that either Senegal or Qatar may be able to defeat Netherlands, it is quite possible that one of the matches may end up as a draw. And if Ecuador manages to defeat Netherlands, then qualifying scenarios for the next round will get very interesting. And Netherlands do have a history of suffering big upsets in the world cup.
Absolutely.
It will probably be one of the toughest groups to advance. My guess though is that still Netherlands and Ecuador will end up at the first 2 spots, the order is yet to be seen, and I can see Qatar and Senegal tied at 3rd place.
3rd place will not do any good for either of these two (Qatar and Senegal) teams. Because only the top two will qualify for the next round. What they should target is a draw against either Netherlands or Ecuador. Take Senegal for example. If they could get 1 point from the matches against Ecuador or Netherlands and win the match against Qatar, then it will give them 4 points from 3 matches. And with some luck, that may enable them to finish within the top-2. But even getting a draw is going to be a herculanean task.
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The first group is very unpredictable and has 4 strong teams. Senegal is the strongest team from CAF and therefore we can't underestimate them. Qatar has the home advantage and their recent form is really good. Although I don't think that either Senegal or Qatar may be able to defeat Netherlands, it is quite possible that one of the matches may end up as a draw. And if Ecuador manages to defeat Netherlands, then qualifying scenarios for the next round will get very interesting. And Netherlands do have a history of suffering big upsets in the world cup.
The first group is very unpredictable and has 4 strong teams. Senegal is the strongest team from CAF and therefore we can't underestimate them. Qatar has the home advantage and their recent form is really good. Although I don't think that either Senegal or Qatar may be able to defeat Netherlands, it is quite possible that one of the matches may end up as a draw. And if Ecuador manages to defeat Netherlands, then qualifying scenarios for the next round will get very interesting. And Netherlands do have a history of suffering big upsets in the world cup.
Absolutely.
It will probably be one of the toughest groups to advance. My guess though is that still Netherlands and Ecuador will end up at the first 2 spots, the order is yet to be seen, and I can see Qatar and Senegal tied at 3rd place.
Yeah, I guess Qatar would need to be lucky, say win with a surprise 1 - 0 to the Netherlands, or something like that. It can happen, but in my view the Netherlands and Ecuador are the two teams going forward under normal circumstances.
The first group is very unpredictable and has 4 strong teams. Senegal is the strongest team from CAF and therefore we can't underestimate them. Qatar has the home advantage and their recent form is really good. Although I don't think that either Senegal or Qatar may be able to defeat Netherlands, it is quite possible that one of the matches may end up as a draw. And if Ecuador manages to defeat Netherlands, then qualifying scenarios for the next round will get very interesting. And Netherlands do have a history of suffering big upsets in the world cup.
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Qatar going to the next round is possible, but not probable. The advantage with Qatar is that they are virtually unknown to their opponents. They are in excellent form recently and we always over-estimate the chances of both Netherlands and Senegal. Obviously Senegal has given some of the most spectacular upsets in the world cup, but they have failed to perform in a consistent manner. IMO, the strongest team in the group is actually Ecuador, and not Netherlands. There is even a chance that Netherlands may fail to qualify.
Qatar going to the next round is possible, but not probable. The advantage with Qatar is that they are virtually unknown to their opponents. They are in excellent form recently and we always over-estimate the chances of both Netherlands and Senegal. Obviously Senegal has given some of the most spectacular upsets in the world cup, but they have failed to perform in a consistent manner. IMO, the strongest team in the group is actually Ecuador, and not Netherlands. There is even a chance that Netherlands may fail to qualify.
Yeah, I guess Qatar would need to be lucky, say win with a surprise 1 - 0 to the Netherlands, or something like that. It can happen, but in my view the Netherlands and Ecuador are the two teams going forward under normal circumstances.
@sithara007 although Qatar has 13 naturalized names, it doesn't change their FIFA rankings. if I'm not mistaken, Bassam Al-Rawi is a defender who was originally an Iraqi national. Honduras is ranked 80th in FIFA, it's only natural that Qatar won the match. Guatemala is ranked 118th in FIFA, the match ended 2-0.
the only interesting match, was the friendly against Chile. the score of the match ended in a 2-2 draw, and even then the ball possession was owned by Chile with 64%.
I admit, Qatar has improved a lot, their football is growing rapidly and is proving to be a champion in the 2019 Asian Cup. however, one thing they don't have. experience, they have not been tested in the world cup stage championship. they have nothing but the home team.
So, it's interesting, I want to know how strong they are to beat Ecuador in the opener later. and as we know, that Ecuador has a higher probability of winning this match. so let's wait, just counting the days this world cup celebration will be held.
Qatar is doing good for the positive performance in this World Cup even it has never been easy for them because they are having average rank players which is clearly indicating about their chances, but few things are still positive as they are investing and having good domestic structure most chances they could be in better shape and able to do improving performances in coming years here they have teams like the Netherlands, Senegal and Ecuador all are difficult teams with aggressive background here I am feeling they have no chance for going into next round even its possible for them to have third spot but going into next round is definitely needed extraordinary performance specially against the Netherlands and Senegal which is current African Champions.the only interesting match, was the friendly against Chile. the score of the match ended in a 2-2 draw, and even then the ball possession was owned by Chile with 64%.
I admit, Qatar has improved a lot, their football is growing rapidly and is proving to be a champion in the 2019 Asian Cup. however, one thing they don't have. experience, they have not been tested in the world cup stage championship. they have nothing but the home team.
So, it's interesting, I want to know how strong they are to beat Ecuador in the opener later. and as we know, that Ecuador has a higher probability of winning this match. so let's wait, just counting the days this world cup celebration will be held.
What's happening in group D, a week ago or so its believed that Fifa threatened to disqualify Tunisia from the Qatar world cup for government interference by the Sports minister which it hasnt taken lightly. I know Fifa has taken such decisions in the past, but has it passed its judgment over Tunisia issue, could this be their early exit 
@sithara007 although Qatar has 13 naturalized names, it doesn't change their FIFA rankings. if I'm not mistaken, Bassam Al-Rawi is a defender who was originally an Iraqi national. Honduras is ranked 80th in FIFA, it's only natural that Qatar won the match. Guatemala is ranked 118th in FIFA, the match ended 2-0.
the only interesting match, was the friendly against Chile. the score of the match ended in a 2-2 draw, and even then the ball possession was owned by Chile with 64%.
I admit, Qatar has improved a lot, their football is growing rapidly and is proving to be a champion in the 2019 Asian Cup. however, one thing they don't have. experience, they have not been tested in the world cup stage championship. they have nothing but the home team.
So, it's interesting, I want to know how strong they are to beat Ecuador in the opener later. and as we know, that Ecuador has a higher probability of winning this match. so let's wait, just counting the days this world cup celebration will be held.
Qatar is doing good for the positive performance in this World Cup even it has never been easy for them because they are having average rank players which is clearly indicating about their chances, but few things are still positive as they are investing and having good domestic structure most chances they could be in better shape and able to do improving performances in coming years here they have teams like the Netherlands, Senegal and Ecuador all are difficult teams with aggressive background here I am feeling they have no chance for going into next round even its possible for them to have third spot but going into next round is definitely needed extraordinary performance specially against the Netherlands and Senegal which is current African Champions.the only interesting match, was the friendly against Chile. the score of the match ended in a 2-2 draw, and even then the ball possession was owned by Chile with 64%.
I admit, Qatar has improved a lot, their football is growing rapidly and is proving to be a champion in the 2019 Asian Cup. however, one thing they don't have. experience, they have not been tested in the world cup stage championship. they have nothing but the home team.
So, it's interesting, I want to know how strong they are to beat Ecuador in the opener later. and as we know, that Ecuador has a higher probability of winning this match. so let's wait, just counting the days this world cup celebration will be held.
Without trivializing the Qatar squad, they come with a lot of naturalized players. this is natural for teams from asia, at least naturalized players are expected to have a good influence and can improve team performance. however, at this world cup event. the only advantage of the Qatar squad is being the home team, the moral support from the public itself can improve their mentality when they play the game later.
only Ecuador are almost at the same level, and even then if we refer to the rankings they have. Qatar is ranked 50th and Ecuador is ranked 44th, not too far off the ranking gap. even so, it's hard to imagine just to beat Ecuador in the opening match later. because after all, Ecuador is far more experienced on the world stage than Qatar.
So, we agree with what you said. but here we have to be balanced in judging, during 2x45 minutes of the game running, anything can happen.
Qatar is doing good for the positive performance in this World Cup even it has never been easy for them because they are having average rank players which is clearly indicating about their chances, but few things are still positive as they are investing and having good domestic structure most chances they could be in better shape and able to do improving performances in coming years here they have teams like the Netherlands, Senegal and Ecuador all are difficult teams with aggressive background here I am feeling they have no chance for going into next round even its possible for them to have third spot but going into next round is definitely needed extraordinary performance specially against the Netherlands and Senegal which is current African Champions.
Qatar going to the next round is possible, but not probable. The advantage with Qatar is that they are virtually unknown to their opponents. They are in excellent form recently and we always over-estimate the chances of both Netherlands and Senegal. Obviously Senegal has given some of the most spectacular upsets in the world cup, but they have failed to perform in a consistent manner. IMO, the strongest team in the group is actually Ecuador, and not Netherlands. There is even a chance that Netherlands may fail to qualify.
Qatar is doing good for the positive performance in this World Cup even it has never been easy for them because they are having average rank players which is clearly indicating about their chances, but few things are still positive as they are investing and having good domestic structure most chances they could be in better shape and able to do improving performances in coming years here they have teams like the Netherlands, Senegal and Ecuador all are difficult teams with aggressive background here I am feeling they have no chance for going into next round even its possible for them to have third spot but going into next round is definitely needed extraordinary performance specially against the Netherlands and Senegal which is current African Champions.
I really don't see Qatar advancing to the next round. Their national team is composed of naturalized players who didn't make the cut in their national teams so they "sold" themself to Qatar. This may sound a little harsh but it isn't. It's normal when a nation like Qatar is hosting a competition like the World Cup. They don't want to see their national team losing 5-0 so they picked up few players of other nations. For me it's understandable.
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