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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 13, 2023, 11:14:07 AM

That's mostly because Neymar is not a stable player and he has unstable performance usually. Also, he was injured for months in PSG and this definitely affected this palyer we can't expect more from Neymar. Also if you are comparing Neymar with other players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Brazil, you are wrong because players were not alone in their team, they had other superstar players to help them and that's how they achieved many titles. In the other hand, Brazil is not the first power in football anymore.

Why can't we compare Neymar with Ronaldo or Ronaldinho? I don't think that the situation has changed a lot over the years. Even now, Brazil is a well balanced team and they are not overdependent on Neymar. They have high quality players like Richarlison, Gabriel Jesus, Raphael Veiga and Vinícius Júnior. And I would say that they are still among the top-3 teams in the world (although I don't know whether they are no.1). We can say that gap between Brazil and other teams have narrowed, but even now they are one of the best teams in the world. Given this, the fact that they have performed poorly in the FIFA World Cup for two consecutive terms is baffling.

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Quote from: onecall123 on September 12, 2023, 11:35:31 PM

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I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

I don't care much about individual performances. Neymar as a player hasn't been able to win a FIFA World Cup for Brazil, despite having some of the best players in the world in his squad. During Qatar 2022, they suffered a shock defeat against Croatia during the Quarter-final stage and got kicked out of the tournament. For the 2018 tournament also, they lost during the quarter-final stage (defeated by Belgium). On the other hand, players like Messi and Mbappe have been able to take their team to new heights.

Neymar who can't win a thing, despite having one of the best squads. His last two World Cup journeys were quite disappointing, neither luck nor his team's performance in his favor. However, people will congratulate Neymar in the future. There's a right time and season for everything in life. I don't know for sure, but maybe his time for success is on the horizon. I hope that in the next World Cup, Neymar will emerge as the winner, and the rest of the world will congratulate him.

That's mostly because Neymar is not a stable player and he has unstable performance usually. Also, he was injured for months in PSG and this definitely affected this palyer we can't expect more from Neymar.
Also if you are comparing Neymar with other players like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Brazil, you are wrong because players were not alone in their team, they had other superstar players to help them and that's how they achieved many titles. In the other hand, Brazil is not the first power in football anymore.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2023, 09:13:01 AM

Kylian Mbappé is being termed as the next Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo, but I personally believe that it is too early to give such labels. We all saw what happened with Mario Balotelli. I don't want Mbappé to end up like him. Now coming to Erling Håland, I am not sure whether we will ever see him playing in the FIFA World Cup. Chances of Norway qualifying for the world cup is minimal, even with the expansion in 2026. He will end up like George Weah and Goran Pandev (North Macedonia), who never got an opportunity to participate in the world cup.

FIFA and UEFA have long discredited themselves, and the policy they pursue in relation to international tournaments leads to the fact that the importance of these tournaments is also steadily declining. I think now no one cares about national team games when they evaluate a player like Haaland - the fact that he was not born in Germany or Brazil does not make him a weak player.
When I was little, I remember how important the Olympics were (I'm talking about sports in general) - it was the main event for 4 years, but now - who cares about this crap? If people look at something, it is only certain sports that are interesting to them. Now all the most important things happen at the club level and here Haaland has no restrictions or limitations due to citizenship.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2023, 05:42:29 AM

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Exactly, that is what makes a player great, the best, or stands out among every other player, Is the determination, the ability to scale through and navigate those stuff that others see as huge obstacles. Pele and Maradona were indeed extraordinary players of their time that then Brazil and Argentina dominated the World Cup competition during their era just as Lionel and Christiano are today's greatest players in our present time.

IMO, people have a tendency to overestimate the capabilities of past players. I have no doubt that Pele and Maradona were great players. But that doesn't mean that current bunch of players like Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are inferior to them in anyway. In fact I would say that the quality of competition is much higher now, when compared to what we had a few decades ago. Argentina and Brazil dominated in the past, because there was hardly any opposition. But the situation ahs changed now. The gap between these teams and other teams have now narrowed.

Right, you know, it's good to have a comparison because that will fuel some spirit to take things to the next level but all of these things have their own boundaries because they came from a different era. Pele and Maradona might have dominated and killed the game in their era but some people will somehow argue that if they were playing in this era, there are certain doubts if they can still be that inferior compared to the players we have now. If that happened, I'd say that we're lucky to be born on that time to see a much interesting and intense games.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 13, 2023, 08:02:17 AM

@Sithara007 unfortunately people will never stop comparing these star player’s and I believe each one of them have set a benchmark which inspires others and that’s why such comparisons keep on taking place. Lastly the era of Messi and Ronaldo has ended and now it’s Mbappe’s and Halland era and I feel that Mbappe will play an very important role in the 2026 World Cup for France.

Kylian Mbappé is being termed as the next Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo, but I personally believe that it is too early to give such labels. We all saw what happened with Mario Balotelli. I don't want Mbappé to end up like him. Now coming to Erling Håland, I am not sure whether we will ever see him playing in the FIFA World Cup. Chances of Norway qualifying for the world cup is minimal, even with the expansion in 2026. He will end up like George Weah and Goran Pandev (North Macedonia), who never got an opportunity to participate in the world cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2023, 05:42:29 AM

Quote from: Franctoshi on September 13, 2023, 05:09:46 AM

Exactly, that is what makes a player great, the best, or stands out among every other player, Is the determination, the ability to scale through and navigate those stuff that others see as huge obstacles. Pele and Maradona were indeed extraordinary players of their time that then Brazil and Argentina dominated the World Cup competition during their era just as Lionel and Christiano are today's greatest players in our present time.

IMO, people have a tendency to overestimate the capabilities of past players. I have no doubt that Pele and Maradona were great players. But that doesn't mean that current bunch of players like Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are inferior to them in anyway. In fact I would say that the quality of competition is much higher now, when compared to what we had a few decades ago. Argentina and Brazil dominated in the past, because there was hardly any opposition. But the situation ahs changed now. The gap between these teams and other teams have now narrowed.

@Sithara007 unfortunately people will never stop comparing these star player’s and I believe each one of them have set a benchmark which inspires others and that’s why such comparisons keep on taking place. Lastly the era of Messi and Ronaldo has ended and now it’s Mbappe’s and Halland era and I feel that Mbappe will play an very important role in the 2026 World Cup for France.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 13, 2023, 05:42:29 AM

Quote from: Franctoshi on September 13, 2023, 05:09:46 AM

Exactly, that is what makes a player great, the best, or stands out among every other player, Is the determination, the ability to scale through and navigate those stuff that others see as huge obstacles. Pele and Maradona were indeed extraordinary players of their time that then Brazil and Argentina dominated the World Cup competition during their era just as Lionel and Christiano are today's greatest players in our present time.

IMO, people have a tendency to overestimate the capabilities of past players. I have no doubt that Pele and Maradona were great players. But that doesn't mean that current bunch of players like Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are inferior to them in anyway. In fact I would say that the quality of competition is much higher now, when compared to what we had a few decades ago. Argentina and Brazil dominated in the past, because there was hardly any opposition. But the situation ahs changed now. The gap between these teams and other teams have now narrowed.

I agree with that, people tend to overestimate players achievements during their career in clubs and in past. I look at the statistics of top goal scorers during FIFA World Cups and during seasoning and I see more or less same, yet still completely different players. Or so called Dream team lists. Those who are best during season, not always show top results at World Cup. That is why I dont really feel sad when I dont see big names on team rosters.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on September 13, 2023, 05:09:46 AM

Exactly, that is what makes a player great, the best, or stands out among every other player, Is the determination, the ability to scale through and navigate those stuff that others see as huge obstacles. Pele and Maradona were indeed extraordinary players of their time that then Brazil and Argentina dominated the World Cup competition during their era just as Lionel and Christiano are today's greatest players in our present time.

IMO, people have a tendency to overestimate the capabilities of past players. I have no doubt that Pele and Maradona were great players. But that doesn't mean that current bunch of players like Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are inferior to them in anyway. In fact I would say that the quality of competition is much higher now, when compared to what we had a few decades ago. Argentina and Brazil dominated in the past, because there was hardly any opposition. But the situation ahs changed now. The gap between these teams and other teams have now narrowed.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 10, 2023, 11:58:35 PM

During their time Pele and Maradona had quite difficult obstacles but they managed to overcome them and show the world that there is no obstacle that can hinder great achievements if there is strong enthusiasm and determination.
If you think back to the time when Pele played for Brazil, it was truly extraordinary and Pele was the only player who made a big contribution to Brazil winning the World Cup for the first time.

Exactly, that is what makes a player great, the best, or stands out among every other player, Is the determination, the ability to scale through and navigate those stuff that others see as huge obstacles. Pele and Maradona were indeed extraordinary players of their time that then Brazil and Argentina dominated the World Cup competition during their era just as Lionel and Christiano are today's greatest players in our present time.

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Quote from: Out of mind on September 13, 2023, 04:14:24 AM

It is true that despite the good nature of Neymar's group, one thing they have failed to win is the World Cup. Having reached the World Cup stage twice, they have repeatedly been knocked out of the World Cup due to disappointing performances at the right time. But how well Neymar can do in the future and how good the upcoming World Cup will be for him is unknown, but let's hope his dream comes true. Not sure if this World Cup will bring success for him, but let's hope it does. Although Neymar's team has performed very well with every team, maybe they will perform better in the next world cup. After winning the world cup, let this channel be right and let the world congratulate Neymar.

Brazil participates in World Cup tournaments with the strongest team in every World Cup to fulfill Mission Hexa, but even with such a strong team, they cannot reach the semi-finals. In the last few World Cups, they have been eliminated in the quarter-finals, which is disappointing. Before the start of the World Cup last season everyone saw many chances that Brazil would win the World Cup but last season too Brazil disappointed everyone and they ended their World Cup journey in the quarter finals. But right now the reason for Brazil fans to be happy is that every player in the team is in great form right now, Neymar and all the other players in the team are doing really well. The new manager has formed a new team where there is no nepotism, those who are performing well are getting a place in the eleven, with such a team, Brazil will definitely do well in the 2026 World Cup.

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I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

I don't care much about individual performances. Neymar as a player hasn't been able to win a FIFA World Cup for Brazil, despite having some of the best players in the world in his squad. During Qatar 2022, they suffered a shock defeat against Croatia during the Quarter-final stage and got kicked out of the tournament. For the 2018 tournament also, they lost during the quarter-final stage (defeated by Belgium). On the other hand, players like Messi and Mbappe have been able to take their team to new heights.

Neymar who can't win a thing, despite having one of the best squads. His last two World Cup journeys were quite disappointing, neither luck nor his team's performance in his favor. However, people will congratulate Neymar in the future. There's a right time and season for everything in life. I don't know for sure, but maybe his time for success is on the horizon. I hope that in the next World Cup, Neymar will emerge as the winner, and the rest of the world will congratulate him.

It is true that despite the good nature of Neymar's group, one thing they have failed to win is the World Cup. Having reached the World Cup stage twice, they have repeatedly been knocked out of the World Cup due to disappointing performances at the right time. But how well Neymar can do in the future and how good the upcoming World Cup will be for him is unknown, but let's hope his dream comes true. Not sure if this World Cup will bring success for him, but let's hope it does. Although Neymar's team has performed very well with every team, maybe they will perform better in the next world cup. After winning the world cup, let this channel be right and let the world congratulate Neymar.

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Quote from: onecall123 on September 12, 2023, 11:35:31 PM

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Quote from: nullama on September 12, 2023, 08:31:49 PM

I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

I don't care much about individual performances. Neymar as a player hasn't been able to win a FIFA World Cup for Brazil, despite having some of the best players in the world in his squad. During Qatar 2022, they suffered a shock defeat against Croatia during the Quarter-final stage and got kicked out of the tournament. For the 2018 tournament also, they lost during the quarter-final stage (defeated by Belgium). On the other hand, players like Messi and Mbappe have been able to take their team to new heights.

Neymar who can't win a thing, despite having one of the best squads. His last two World Cup journeys were quite disappointing, neither luck nor his team's performance in his favor. However, people will congratulate Neymar in the future. There's a right time and season for everything in life. I don't know for sure, but maybe his time for success is on the horizon. I hope that in the next World Cup, Neymar will emerge as the winner, and the rest of the world will congratulate him.

Neymar is a young player for the time being but all the other players to support him are not performing well. Because their fate pushed them away which was seen in this World Cup. It is quite disappointing to be eliminated from the World Cup at such a time and Neymar's supporters are also disappointed. So I also want to see Neymar win this World Cup in the future because his memory must be in the list of World Cup winning players. Because he is one of the best strikers for the present time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 12, 2023, 09:27:08 PM

Quote from: nullama on September 12, 2023, 08:31:49 PM

I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

I don't care much about individual performances. Neymar as a player hasn't been able to win a FIFA World Cup for Brazil, despite having some of the best players in the world in his squad. During Qatar 2022, they suffered a shock defeat against Croatia during the Quarter-final stage and got kicked out of the tournament. For the 2018 tournament also, they lost during the quarter-final stage (defeated by Belgium). On the other hand, players like Messi and Mbappe have been able to take their team to new heights.

Neymar who can't win a thing, despite having one of the best squads. His last two World Cup journeys were quite disappointing, neither luck nor his team's performance in his favor. However, people will congratulate Neymar in the future. There's a right time and season for everything in life. I don't know for sure, but maybe his time for success is on the horizon. I hope that in the next World Cup, Neymar will emerge as the winner, and the rest of the world will congratulate him.

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Quote from: nullama on September 12, 2023, 08:31:49 PM

I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

I don't care much about individual performances. Neymar as a player hasn't been able to win a FIFA World Cup for Brazil, despite having some of the best players in the world in his squad. During Qatar 2022, they suffered a shock defeat against Croatia during the Quarter-final stage and got kicked out of the tournament. For the 2018 tournament also, they lost during the quarter-final stage (defeated by Belgium). On the other hand, players like Messi and Mbappe have been able to take their team to new heights.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on September 11, 2023, 11:44:48 PM

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You may dislike Neymar because of his personal life or other reasons but if you are a football lover you can never dislike his football skills. It's no excuse that you have to believe Neymar hasn't achieved anything good in life because of injuries. No other player wants to get injured, maybe other stars can defend themselves but Neymar fails there. When Neymar was at Barcelona, everyone thought that Neymar would win the world someday, but whenever he won the PSG his career began to downfall. I don't want to compare any current players with the king of football Pele or Maradona because they are legends. But whatever anyone says, Neymar is the best star in my eyes.

I actually quite enjoy watching Neymar, and I think he is one of the best players in the world.

The point that I'm saying is that he is still not at the level of Maradona or Pele. If, for example in the next world cup Neymar scores 3 goals in the final and Brazil ends up winning 3-2, that would move him closer to Pele and Maradona.

If he continues to do things like that, eventually he will be recognized as one of them. But he is just not there at the moment.

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Everyone knows that Germany (similar to the case with many other UEFA nations such as Netherlands, Danmark, Belgium.etc) is a team that is on the decline. But no one actually expected them to go down against a team like Japan by a margin of 1-4. And this is the team that is favored as one of the top teams in Euro 2024 by the sportsbooks. I am not underestimating Japan. They proved their mettle during the 2022 FIFA World Cup, when they managed to defeat Germany and Spain in Group E. Even then, AFC teams defeating top UEFA teams is a scenario that was unimaginable a few years ago.

I was also surprised to see the scoreline after all the big names that Germany featured in the game. The German team controlled the ball better than the Japanese side but the former created fewer chances. Japan was better in the attack and forced the German goalkeeper ter Stegen to make close to seven saves. Apart from Kimmich, almost all the German defenders including Rudiger were not in good shape. The Japanese defense was solid and I have some praise for Tomiyasu for his uncommon defensive display. The Japanese side maximized their speed and fitness to outsmart the German machines. This win is another proof that Asian football is developing fast, while some European countries need to work on their teams.

I could never predict to see this bad performance from Germany because they were performing much better in the past and in the other hand Japan is not a strong team compared to Germany.
Obviously, the German fans were unhappy and that's why Germany fired their coach after that game they had against Japan.
Now Rudi Völler is coaching Germany temporarily but we can see this team had a much better performance so far after firing their coach.
In the friendly game, they have against France they are winning the game until now at 90+1'.
Also, Gündoğan had an effective performance in this game.

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Before the match against Puchka Bolivia at home, Neymar Jr. was making history. To top the legendary former footballer Pele in the record book. After waiting for 61 minutes of the match, the moment finally came. Neymar overtook Pele to become the highest goalscorer in Brazil's football history by knocking a goal into Bolivia's net. Neymar's number of goals in Brazil's jersey is currently 78. Neymar could write his name in the history pages at the beginning of the match. Neymar had the opportunity to beat Pele by scoring from the penalty shootout in the 17th minute of the match. After seeing the shot, Neymar took it along with the goalkeeper. As if he was being trained to stop goals. By blocking that shot, the Bolivian goalkeeper prolonged Neymar's wait to add his name to the record book. But the Brazilian star did not miss the opportunity in the 61st minute of the match. Rodrigo's foot in the tangle in the D-box, the ball comes in front of Neymar. From there, in addition to putting the ball in the net, he made his name in the record book as the highest goalscorer in Brazil, surpassing Pele.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 10, 2023, 11:58:35 PM

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There will always be reasons (aka excuses) for someone to not achieve something.

It's not some kind of reason but that what hinders Neymar performance from being able to achieve big achievements or new records in football history and become a player who can make history in Brazilian football like Pele and Maradona did in Argentina.
I think what Neymar experienced is more like an obstacle that must be overcome if he wants to be the only superstar to set a new record.

Considering his age, I am not entirely sure if Neymar will achieve anything anymore, I feel like it is just not going to happen and he is not the one to make it happen. It is obvious that he is going to face some tough situations here and there, abut because of his injury history we could easily say that he missed his chances and not going to do any good anytime soon.

Obviously we are going to end up with a situation that will be a bit different and the result will not be that same, but it is definitely a situation we have to come to accept. Neymar is not a player that had any impact on Brazil that much, didn't win that much with them, and didn't impacted the team that well for a long period of time neither for sure.

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Quote from: nullama on September 10, 2023, 11:13:33 PM

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When Neymar started his football career for the national team, many legendary Brazilian footballers said that this boy would break all records in Brazilian history and become one of the best players in the world. There was potential and a lot of talent but his injuries stood in the way between his potential and talent. The achievements that he could not do in his career are completely due to injuries. I have never seen Neymar play a full season for any club. If a player is out for most of a season, no matter how good he is, he will never be able to shine in his career. Although Neymar has overcome so many obstacles, in the end Pele, the king of football, has overcome him. No Brazilian player has ever scored as many goals as Neymar has scored for the national team. Maybe he would have surpassed Pele's goal tally long ago if not for injuries.

There will always be reasons (aka excuses) for someone to not achieve something.

Pele and Maradona will always be the superstars of football. They were extraordinary players at the time.

The only thing that matters is how extraordinary you are, potential is just a promise. The only thing that matters is what you deliver.

Same with Michael Jordan for example. He is the GOAT because even when he was sick he was playing extraordinarily well.

You may dislike Neymar because of his personal life or other reasons but if you are a football lover you can never dislike his football skills. It's no excuse that you have to believe Neymar hasn't achieved anything good in life because of injuries. No other player wants to get injured, maybe other stars can defend themselves but Neymar fails there. When Neymar was at Barcelona, everyone thought that Neymar would win the world someday, but whenever he won the PSG his career began to downfall. I don't want to compare any current players with the king of football Pele or Maradona because they are legends. But whatever anyone says, Neymar is the best star in my eyes.

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Quote from: Die_empty on September 11, 2023, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 11, 2023, 09:38:07 PM

Everyone knows that Germany (similar to the case with many other UEFA nations such as Netherlands, Danmark, Belgium.etc) is a team that is on the decline. But no one actually expected them to go down against a team like Japan by a margin of 1-4. And this is the team that is favored as one of the top teams in Euro 2024 by the sportsbooks. I am not underestimating Japan. They proved their mettle during the 2022 FIFA World Cup, when they managed to defeat Germany and Spain in Group E. Even then, AFC teams defeating top UEFA teams is a scenario that was unimaginable a few years ago.

I was also surprised to see the scoreline after all the big names that Germany featured in the game. The German team controlled the ball better than the Japanese side but the former created fewer chances. Japan was better in the attack and forced the German goalkeeper ter Stegen to make close to seven saves. Apart from Kimmich, almost all the German defenders including Rudiger were not in good shape. The Japanese defense was solid and I have some praise for Tomiyasu for his uncommon defensive display. The Japanese side maximized their speed and fitness to outsmart the German machines. This win is another proof that Asian football is developing fast, while some European countries need to work on their teams.

European soccer in general is suffering the same problem the UK has been suffering for a long time, they are importing so many players and most of them are playing at key positions that this is hindering the development of their local players, now for a private league this is not a problem as they do not care about this at all, but when it comes to their national team, the qualifiers and the world cup this is very problematic, as this has lead us to a rise on the soccer level of many nations around the world, while the traditional European powers are declining.

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