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Well.. Silberman was probably implying that almost everyone in Mexico can understand English. That was not the case when the world cup was held in Brazil (2014) or Russia (2018). Anyway, leave the language apart. The main issue here is travel. 2026 edition will be a great torture, as some of the fans need to travel thousands of miles to watch the matches of their favorite team. But then, 2030 is at an entirely different level. Who will be happy, if they are being made to travel from Uruguay or Argentina to Morocco? This is just plain crazy.

I don't know about Brazil, but I know that about one third in Russia is proficient in English and I would confidently say that in Russia there is more English proficiency than in both countries you mentioned, Brazil and Mexico. This is a source citing a test, but I also read across a couple of other sources. Since I know some Russians very well, I can tell from what they told me and English is quite well known. The reason is that Spanish or Portuguese is so widespread that these people are less dependent on learning additional languages. But no worries, this is not to educate or insult anyone here. It was a little interesting discourse either way. But language, as you said, shouldn't really matter. It is more about distances and political repression like in Qatar. Those are the things that we as consumers or visitors should be concerned about.  

According to the data I could find, which is outdated but it was the best I got, 12.9% of the Mexican population can speak English, all of them as a second language, so you could literally grab a few random people on the street and you will soon find someone which could speak English, and taking into account the distribution of those speakers is not random and they are concentrated on big cities, then it should be even easier for a person which just speaks English to get by even without knowing a single word of Spanish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

Language is really no point here and I am sure that it is something which could easily be taken care of by setting up info points for tourists and so on and so forth. As I mentioned above it wasn't meant to attack you or anything, but from your merit I understand you didn't take it as such. Wink I would merit you back, but I only have a single one to give so I apologize because sometimes I keep those for special occasions. Maybe this dialogue turns into one later on! Wink
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This is the first time I have read about this, the current format of the world cup with Canada, the US and Mexico hosting it could still be argued that it made sense, as those three countries are heavily integrated and they are part of the same continent, while you could still get away with speaking a single language, in this case English, as even if there are parts of Canada in which French is the dominant language and when it comes to Mexico Spanish is their official language, there are still lots of people which speak English, but hosting the world cup at six different countries and three continents is simply too much, and it would not surprise me if the attendance to the 2030 world cup by the fans dropped considerably.

What single language is it that connects Mexico so closely with the USA and Canada?

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According to the data I could find, which is outdated but it was the best I got, 12.9% of the Mexican population can speak English, all of them as a second language, so you could literally grab a few random people on the street and you will soon find someone which could speak English, and taking into account the distribution of those speakers is not random and they are concentrated on big cities, then it should be even easier for a person which just speaks English to get by even without knowing a single word of Spanish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
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What single language is it that connects Mexico so closely with the USA and Canada?

I think all the associations, but first and foremost the FIFA, have realized that no matter how they structure these tournaments, the stadiums will be sold out no matter what and how they host the World Cups. That is indeed what counts for them. Sold out stadiums, big involvement of the global audience to drive up broadcasting revenue. I don't really have an opinion on that, but maybe one of the reasons also is that this gives the chance to smaller countries to also host a small part of the World Cup while otherwise they would have never gotten a chance. Obviously not aware of the details, but there are pros and cons I think.

Well.. Silberman was probably implying that almost everyone in Mexico can understand English. That was not the case when the world cup was held in Brazil (2014) or Russia (2018). Anyway, leave the language apart. The main issue here is travel. 2026 edition will be a great torture, as some of the fans need to travel thousands of miles to watch the matches of their favorite team. But then, 2030 is at an entirely different level. Who will be happy, if they are being made to travel from Uruguay or Argentina to Morocco? This is just plain crazy.
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These are just stupid excuses. If they want the centenary celebration, then what prevents them from holding a mini-world cup in the South American nations? Asking the fans to travel 3 continents just to watch the games is outright crazy. Think about the fans. They don't deserve any of this shit. And it is not just the effort and money that is required for the travel. They need to apply for visas, and it is going to take a lot of work. My guess is that nowadays FIFA cares only about the TV audience, and not about the actual fans who travel to watch the matches on stadiums.
This is the first time I have read about this, the current format of the world cup with Canada, the US and Mexico hosting it could still be argued that it made sense, as those three countries are heavily integrated and they are part of the same continent, while you could still get away with speaking a single language, in this case English, as even if there are parts of Canada in which French is the dominant language and when it comes to Mexico Spanish is their official language, there are still lots of people which speak English, but hosting the world cup at six different countries and three continents is simply too much, and it would not surprise me if the attendance to the 2030 world cup by the fans dropped considerably.

What single language is it that connects Mexico so closely with the USA and Canada?

I think all the associations, but first and foremost the FIFA, have realized that no matter how they structure these tournaments, the stadiums will be sold out no matter what and how they host the World Cups. That is indeed what counts for them. Sold out stadiums, big involvement of the global audience to drive up broadcasting revenue. I don't really have an opinion on that, but maybe one of the reasons also is that this gives the chance to smaller countries to also host a small part of the World Cup while otherwise they would have never gotten a chance. Obviously not aware of the details, but there are pros and cons I think.
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These are just stupid excuses. If they want the centenary celebration, then what prevents them from holding a mini-world cup in the South American nations? Asking the fans to travel 3 continents just to watch the games is outright crazy. Think about the fans. They don't deserve any of this shit. And it is not just the effort and money that is required for the travel. They need to apply for visas, and it is going to take a lot of work. My guess is that nowadays FIFA cares only about the TV audience, and not about the actual fans who travel to watch the matches on stadiums.
This is the first time I have read about this, the current format of the world cup with Canada, the US and Mexico hosting it could still be argued that it made sense, as those three countries are heavily integrated and they are part of the same continent, while you could still get away with speaking a single language, in this case English, as even if there are parts of Canada in which French is the dominant language and when it comes to Mexico Spanish is their official language, there are still lots of people which speak English, but hosting the world cup at six different countries and three continents is simply too much, and it would not surprise me if the attendance to the 2030 world cup by the fans dropped considerably.
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Is a fucking joke man this 2030 world cup, i hope this doesnt ended up being that way, two continents distant 14.000 km one from another. 6 countries, no sense, bring back normal world cups in one country and that country have to be a football country, not a shit one.
They've got a reason for it. As a centenary celebration the starting three matches being played in their own countries doesn't gonna affect anything. From the fourth match onwards everything used to be functional same as what is being planned for the upcoming FIFA World Cup. People who prefer to watch the complete tournament reaching the football ground, it would be difficult. However many people will get opportunity to watch football matches which isn't an easy thing. Just think it in that way, not everyone able to travel due to the expense, and those people enjoy watching it played on their home countries.

These are just stupid excuses. If they want the centenary celebration, then what prevents them from holding a mini-world cup in the South American nations? Asking the fans to travel 3 continents just to watch the games is outright crazy. Think about the fans. They don't deserve any of this shit. And it is not just the effort and money that is required for the travel. They need to apply for visas, and it is going to take a lot of work. My guess is that nowadays FIFA cares only about the TV audience, and not about the actual fans who travel to watch the matches on stadiums.
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As this is the active World Cup thread, I'll post it here
If many here are already thinking it's bad that the World Cup will be played in 3 countries, take a look at this news that just came out:

The 2030 World Cup will be played in 3 continents and 6 countries

A brief summary: Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay (South America) will play the first matches of each team in their own country, to celebrate the centenary of the World Cup
After that, the World Cup will be played "normally" in 3 countries: Portugal, Spain and Morocco (Europe and Africa).

It was FIFA's way of holding the World Cup where it prefers, while still paying tribute to the 100th anniversary of the first World Cup

So, what do you think? A good way for FIFA to please everyone?

It is not going to please those who had intentions to attend to that World Cup and had a limited budget for airplane tickets and reservations.
Honestly, I am not sure it is a good idea to host such a huge event, it would create some inconvenients, like the difference of time for both the players and the fans who want to watch the matches.

It is a clear example of globalization, if you asked me, how technology, communications and infrastructure is getting us closer to each other as time passes. That is a good or bad thing, depending whom you ask.



I still don't know why they are doing this every time, in 2026 FIFA let three countries host the World Cup and now it seems we're going to have many more hosts for the next World Cup which is a little bit weird.
Maybe FIFA is trying to make the World Cup decentred and that's why they want to have different hosts. But I think the best thing they could do was to wait and see the feedback in 2026 and then make the decision to make other countries host the World Cup.


They are either try to be more fair and have more countries to enjoy a piece of the World Cup, or they are trying to make it an event as exclusive as possible for the middle class soccer fan.

It is was hard to afford before now when we are used to have only one host, I cannot even imagine how costly it will be when the average fan who wished to enjoy the full event to pay for several airplane tickets, hotels and even visas in the case of those who live in a country which passport does not offer many options for visa-free destinations.

Honestly, those TV channels and stream hosts which would pay for the broadcast rights would be largely benefited from how expensive this is going to become.
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Is a fucking joke man this 2030 world cup, i hope this doesnt ended up being that way, two continents distant 14.000 km one from another. 6 countries, no sense, bring back normal world cups in one country and that country have to be a football country, not a shit one.
They've got a reason for it. As a centenary celebration the starting three matches being played in their own countries doesn't gonna affect anything. From the fourth match onwards everything used to be functional same as what is being planned for the upcoming FIFA World Cup. People who prefer to watch the complete tournament reaching the football ground, it would be difficult. However many people will get opportunity to watch football matches which isn't an easy thing. Just think it in that way, not everyone able to travel due to the expense, and those people enjoy watching it played on their home countries.
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As this is the active World Cup thread, I'll post it here
If many here are already thinking it's bad that the World Cup will be played in 3 countries, take a look at this news that just came out:

The 2030 World Cup will be played in 3 continents and 6 countries

A brief summary: Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay (South America) will play the first matches of each team in their own country, to celebrate the centenary of the World Cup
After that, the World Cup will be played "normally" in 3 countries: Portugal, Spain and Morocco (Europe and Africa).

It was FIFA's way of holding the World Cup where it prefers, while still paying tribute to the 100th anniversary of the first World Cup

So, what do you think? A good way for FIFA to please everyone?

It is not going to please those who had intentions to attend to that World Cup and had a limited budget for airplane tickets and reservations.
Honestly, I am not sure it is a good idea to host such a huge event, it would create some inconvenients, like the difference of time for both the players and the fans who want to watch the matches.

It is a clear example of globalization, if you asked me, how technology, communications and infrastructure is getting us closer to each other as time passes. That is a good or bad thing, depending whom you ask.



I still don't know why they are doing this every time, in 2026 FIFA let three countries host the World Cup and now it seems we're going to have many more hosts for the next World Cup which is a little bit weird.
Maybe FIFA is trying to make the World Cup decentred and that's why they want to have different hosts. But I think the best thing they could do was to wait and see the feedback in 2026 and then make the decision to make other countries host the World Cup.
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Is a fucking joke man this 2030 world cup, i hope this doesnt ended up being that way, two continents distant 14.000 km one from another. 6 countries, no sense, bring back normal world cups in one country and that country have to be a football country, not a shit one.
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As this is the active World Cup thread, I'll post it here
If many here are already thinking it's bad that the World Cup will be played in 3 countries, take a look at this news that just came out:

The 2030 World Cup will be played in 3 continents and 6 countries

A brief summary: Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay (South America) will play the first matches of each team in their own country, to celebrate the centenary of the World Cup
After that, the World Cup will be played "normally" in 3 countries: Portugal, Spain and Morocco (Europe and Africa).

It was FIFA's way of holding the World Cup where it prefers, while still paying tribute to the 100th anniversary of the first World Cup

So, what do you think? A good way for FIFA to please everyone?
This sound really interesting and engaging as it will involve so much than the regular, because it will means more resources, more logistics and should I say more stress both on the officials and the participants, I don't really know how comfortable this will be with most countries but until then let's wait to see how well this can play out with everyone.

The 100th anniversary of the world cup is indeed a big one that deserves to be celebrated in a very robust Mannar and if FIFA has chosen to carry everyone along to achieve a memorable celebration I don't think it's a bad idea but if it's aimed at satisfying everyone then it will definitely not make enough sense as everyone cannot be satisfied regardless of how well you try.

The challenge that will be faced by almost everyone is been able to attend all the games which will definitely cost the fans so much except they will be playing only in their various continents, but then the venue for the final game is another thing that will be of great consideration as they can never be fair enough with any venue they choose if they are trying to please everyone.
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2026 is still three years away. Do you believe that Messi would still be motivated to take part in the next world cup? He has achieved whatever he wanted to achieve in football. So why should he carry on playing anymore? Lionel Scaloni may want him in the squad, but even if he includes him a lot of questions will be asked. Another factor that may impact his participation is the fact that Messi no longer plays in one of the stronger leagues. At this point he represents Inter Miami, in Major League Soccer (MLS).
Will where he plays really influence the Argentine coach's decision to call him or not? I think not because Scaloni probably saw something else when calling him up but the question remains does Messi still want to play for Argentina? I was quite doubtful about that because he didn't look like a person who was very ambitious about setting records and so on, so when he didn't play in the next world cup it wasn't because he wasn't called up by the Argentine coach but because he chose to completely retire from the national team of his country, regarding all the achievements he has achieved while Ronaldo may still hope to play in the world cup to get it.
I not sure that at the 2026 World Cup Messi will still be on the list of players for Argentina and it looks like Lionel Scaloni will look for other options to replace Messi that they can rely on for that position because Messi will be 39 years old and this is quite an old age for striker who must always be active in every attack.

Argentina has quite lot of talented young players and Lionel Scaloni can call on some of them to really train them to become players who can have more competitive attacking game skills because many players can perform very well when playing with the national team.
I believe that at the 2026 World Cup Argentina will have strong enough squad that can compete even without Messi presence.
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Jesus Christ it's official, wikipedia got updated as well. That 2030 Saudi Arabia thing is obviously not happening and all that Ronaldo stuff basically blew up on their face, but at least they got a lot of viewership from it and they could just host the 2034 one if they keep this up, they are doing great anyway so as long as they do not ruin it, even if Ronaldo is gone, they could just keep it going with whatever year they could do that.

This seems like a bad way, but the three nations are just doing the first games, so it is not like it will be everywhere, after those first games in inaugural or whatever that's called, it's back to Spain.

Spain, Portugal and Morocco is actually closer to each other than Mexico, USA, Canada if you think about it, and that is why it makes sense. This is just some sort of way that Fifa is dealing with the world cup now, they want a lot of nations and constantly growing it. At this point we may start seeing home-away games as well and just make it everywhere.
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Crazy news regarding the 2030 World Cup. FIFA will be providing direct entry to 6 teams (Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay). If you thought that giving direct entry to 3 teams in 2026 is unfair, then they have stepped up one level for the 2030 edition. This is just plain crazy. What is the point in having qualifier tournament, if there are so many teams with direct entry? What about 2034? Are they going to give direct qualification to 20 teams? I am not sure what FIFA is trying to achieve with all this BS.
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But there is something I didn't really understand. Wasn't Saudi Arabia full into the race for the World Cup 2030? I thought that was one of the main reasons why they signed Ronaldo and all those players for so much money. As far as I understood, wasn't it their initiative to convince the committee and get public support to become the hosts?

Regarding the number of countries and continents involved, I think it isn't a bad thing. Imagine how many people only get to see one World Cup in their home country once in a lifetime, if at all. This solution caters to more people getting the opportunity to become witnesses of a major sports event in their home country.

In particular, I didn't think it was possible for Saudi Arabia to host the 2030 World Cup, since the last one was held very close by, in Qatar

2018 - Europe-Asia
2022 - Asia
2026 - North America - Central America
2030 - Europe-Africa (and 3 games in South America)

It's possible that Arabia could bid again for 2034 and could have a chance along with Oceania or South America.

My opinion is that it wasn't a bad decision either, after all the people of South America will have a great opportunity to watch at least one World Cup match without having to travel to Europe/Africa


You actually raised a good point here and I didn't think about that before. But I think there was more to that because initially Saudi Arabia was indeed planning to bid for the World Cup 2030 I think in cooperation with Egypt and Greece or something? But for some reason (not sure if it was political) one of them or even both withdrew and that might also have been the reason that Saudi Arabia stepped back.

As for 2034, the FIFA already announced that the Asian Football Confederation and Oceania Football Confederation will be eligible to bid.
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But there is something I didn't really understand. Wasn't Saudi Arabia full into the race for the World Cup 2030? I thought that was one of the main reasons why they signed Ronaldo and all those players for so much money. As far as I understood, wasn't it their initiative to convince the committee and get public support to become the hosts?

Regarding the number of countries and continents involved, I think it isn't a bad thing. Imagine how many people only get to see one World Cup in their home country once in a lifetime, if at all. This solution caters to more people getting the opportunity to become witnesses of a major sports event in their home country.

In particular, I didn't think it was possible for Saudi Arabia to host the 2030 World Cup, since the last one was held very close by, in Qatar

2018 - Europe-Asia
2022 - Asia
2026 - North America - Central America
2030 - Europe-Africa (and 3 games in South America)

It's possible that Arabia could bid again for 2034 and could have a chance along with Oceania or South America.

My opinion is that it wasn't a bad decision either, after all the people of South America will have a great opportunity to watch at least one World Cup match without having to travel to Europe/Africa



After my post about the stadiums: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62891459

I have another news, this time for the 2026 World Cup

The choice of the final stadium is now between 2 stadiums, Los Angeles has already been ruled out
New Jersey and Dallas are now the possible stadiums of the final, after Fifa members visited the stadiums in NFL games

I think they are going to choose Dallas, and you guys?
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2026 is still three years away. Do you believe that Messi would still be motivated to take part in the next world cup? He has achieved whatever he wanted to achieve in football. So why should he carry on playing anymore? Lionel Scaloni may want him in the squad, but even if he includes him a lot of questions will be asked. Another factor that may impact his participation is the fact that Messi no longer plays in one of the stronger leagues. At this point he represents Inter Miami, in Major League Soccer (MLS).
Will where he plays really influence the Argentine coach's decision to call him or not? I think not because Scaloni probably saw something else when calling him up but the question remains does Messi still want to play for Argentina? I was quite doubtful about that because he didn't look like a person who was very ambitious about setting records and so on, so when he didn't play in the next world cup it wasn't because he wasn't called up by the Argentine coach but because he chose to completely retire from the national team of his country, regarding all the achievements he has achieved while Ronaldo may still hope to play in the world cup to get it.
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This Lionel Sebastián Scaloni can't be sure even about himself if he can sit and coach Argentina in the next World Cup in 2026 or not.
We are talking about the next two years and everything is possible, for example, if Messi gets injured during this time, I'm sure there will be more chance to win this palyer in the 2026 world cup and it's still soon to say if he can play there or not.

Scaloni has been coaching the Argentine squad ever since 2018, and they have performed credibly under him. It is not just the World Cup win in 2022, but Argentina made some sort of a comeback during the last 3-4 years under Scaloni. Now they are the no.1 ranked side in the world. They do have exceptionally good players such as Lionel Messi and Emiliano Martínez, but the contribution from Scaloni in building the team bonding and tactics can't be ignored. Even for the 2026 tournament, they will be the most favored team to lift the trophy, with or without Messi.
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The 2030 FIFA World Cup has been awarded to be co-hosted by Portugal, Spain and Morocco but the opening matches of the tournament will be played in Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay and that's to the centenary anniversary of the FIFA World Cup which was first hosted in Uruguay.
FIFA in their statement said that they'll only accept bids for 2034 World Cup from countries in Asian Football Federation and Oceania Football Federation and that was the reason why Saudi Arabia had announced that they'll be bidding for the 2034 world Cup. It's not yet confirmed but it's believed that they're strong contenders to win the bid
I don't know what crazy ideas from FIFA when getting host for upcoming World Cup 2030 with three national teams become the host and the opening matches play in difference countries host. Better make World Cup with single country host and give much opportunity for other national team qualify or participating in World Cup. Bad thing happen if have three of host close opportunity with other country qualifying or participating in World Cup because three host of World Cup automatically will get participants without qualifying round. Another an acceptable when host with difference continent and how difficult after knock out stage some national teams need time for playing in different continent. I think FIFA should realistic with upcoming World Cup edition don't take fee commission only but think how to make World Cup can easily for all participant teams.
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But there is something I didn't really understand. Wasn't Saudi Arabia full into the race for the World Cup 2030? I thought that was one of the main reasons why they signed Ronaldo and all those players for so much money. As far as I understood, wasn't it their initiative to convince the committee and get public support to become the hosts?

Regarding the number of countries and continents involved, I think it isn't a bad thing. Imagine how many people only get to see one World Cup in their home country once in a lifetime, if at all. This solution caters to more people getting the opportunity to become witnesses of a major sports event in their home country.
Maybe Saudi Arabia have got the plans to host the 2030 FIFA World Cup and as a preparation they're much focused in making the Saudi Arabia Pro League popular and have signed popular players. The reality is different, it is the FIFA to decide the host. 2022 FIFA hosted by West Asia country Qatar and once again the 2030 FIFA World Cup by another West Asia Country Saudi Arabia won't be considered that easily.

The plan for the matches to be hosted in three continents and 6 countries is simply different. However the opportunity provided for the small nations to watch FIFA matches on their home country is something great for them and welcoming move from FIFA.

Ok now I see that their planning for the bid for the World Cup 2030 ceased this June. But what I didn't know is that Saudi Arabia will probably host the 2023 FIFA Club World Cup and the 2027 AFC Asian Cup and they immediately announced that their bid will be prepared for the World Cup 2034 as the FIFA already announced that the World Cup will take place in Asia or Oceania region.

This would give them another 10 years to boost their Saudi Professional League further and then go all out when they indeed become the hosts for those World Cup. The point is that the more players they sign with huge followings, the harder it becomes for the FIFA to reject their bid. These guys are strategists in and out and I expect them to pump money into soccer relentlessly until then.
The 2030 FIFA World Cup has been awarded to be co-hosted by Portugal, Spain and Morocco but the opening matches of the tournament will be played in Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay and that's to the centenary anniversary of the FIFA World Cup which was first hosted in Uruguay.
FIFA in their statement said that they'll only accept bids for 2034 World Cup from countries in Asian Football Federation and Oceania Football Federation and that was the reason why Saudi Arabia had announced that they'll be bidding for the 2034 world Cup. It's not yet confirmed but it's believed that they're strong contenders to win the bid
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