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this is good, I mean, it will deter establishment owners from letting their place be rented without a proper background check but I can't help but wonder what will happen if the renters successfully fooled the establishment owner into thinking that they are running a different business. but then again, I am sure there will be an investigation to see whether the owner knowingly allowed them to operate despite knowing what they were doing.
Investigations usually happen only if they’re caught. Otherwise, these people will just keep operating under the radar, often without the building owner knowing what’s really going on. Condo owners, for instance, are typically eager to rent out their units. If they get a good offer, especially for a long-term lease, they’re likely to accept it without asking too many questions.
Thats how business works and as long this do involves huge amount of money or long time passive into their owners then its not shocking that they would really be just that neglecting about the ethicality of a certain activity to be made on the moment that they do rent out such property. If ever its been known or been caught then its not surprising that these will really be that still continue to operate because they do have those people who are on the position on which someone will really be able to protect them out.
When you do live on a corrupt country then it wont be shocking that there are tons of ways that you wont be caught out and that would be always that comes a price.

Banning or allowing under the radar then its not something new with this kind of set up. There will really be always those officials who would really be taking out advantage with this kind of situation on which they are really wanting to have that some part of these illegal business on which these things arent that happening only in movies but also in real life. On a democratic country then its government does have that different sectors on which Senate are the ones who do pass up laws and do made them but before it will be taking up that effectivity then it does really need that vote which it will be passing all the members of the senate and other councils too.
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.
this is good, I mean, it will deter establishment owners from letting their place be rented without a proper background check but I can't help but wonder what will happen if the renters successfully fooled the establishment owner into thinking that they are running a different business. but then again, I am sure there will be an investigation to see whether the owner knowingly allowed them to operate despite knowing what they were doing.

We will see if home owners are going to take responsibility or not or they will do a proper background check before letting anyone rent their properties. As far as I know if they are willing to pay as it is practice here to pay like one or two months in advance and then one or two months deposits, you can easily move on the place already.

So this is still tricky for home owners or could just go on the excuse that they didn't know that those guys are operating illegal POGO because everything looks normal and of course they've paid in advance without any hesitation.
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.

PAOCC warns owners vs. renting properties to illegal POGOs.

I think this is a good approach, so that those established owners will have to know the individuals renting there places. Because I'm hinting that if people behind this illegal POGO will just find one big properties and then offer the owner more than that they rented the place, there will be no question as who's going to stay on their properties. Now they will be liable and if they are found to be guilty could go to jail and pay fine to the government.

This is a good sign to squeeze thigs up, if they include those property owners then those people who will not allow illegal activities to happened, though it's still depends from those people if how greedy they are as even they are included to a possible illegal activities if money talks to them there's still chances that they will still allow it to facilatate.

Knowing the how the rules / laws being applied, there's always exemptions if the one being caught is not for the government then expect that we will hear highlights or exposure of those property owners but if they are pro government, we won't be hearing anything..



Correct, I do agree with this kind of implementation, property owners moving forward should do their due diligence and not just accept who are going to occupied their facility. And it much better for them to do such background checkup as well before they allow tenants.

And it looks like the Philippines government is very serious in shutting down the criminals or those who exploited them with illegal POGO's because they know it's easy to pay corrupt government official to turn their backs.

Yeah right and they can even create news about it, those personalities that are link to the previous government they are prone to be investigated and if ever that there's a  link in whatever way surely they will be a highlights of each news both national and social media, the current government loves to create issues with Pogos involvements as they don't have anything about it. Hahaha..
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.
this is good, I mean, it will deter establishment owners from letting their place be rented without a proper background check but I can't help but wonder what will happen if the renters successfully fooled the establishment owner into thinking that they are running a different business. but then again, I am sure there will be an investigation to see whether the owner knowingly allowed them to operate despite knowing what they were doing.

I'm not expecting that they would follow those statement they say since usually they won't do anything if the owner of the building is influential person or their colleague. We know how the system works in PH and they are only good at first but later on they are not paying much attention on this especially if people already forget about those issues.

Gambling still rampant in our country so I guess what they do on POGO's crackdown will not do anything since they are still allowing other gambling companies to operate.

Also this is the current update about the POGO's  https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/nation/2025/1/5/doj-warns-foreign-pogo-workers-submit-to-authorities-or-face-blacklisting-1527
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this is good, I mean, it will deter establishment owners from letting their place be rented without a proper background check but I can't help but wonder what will happen if the renters successfully fooled the establishment owner into thinking that they are running a different business. but then again, I am sure there will be an investigation to see whether the owner knowingly allowed them to operate despite knowing what they were doing.
Investigations usually happen only if they’re caught. Otherwise, these people will just keep operating under the radar, often without the building owner knowing what’s really going on. Condo owners, for instance, are typically eager to rent out their units. If they get a good offer, especially for a long-term lease, they’re likely to accept it without asking too many questions.
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.
this is good, I mean, it will deter establishment owners from letting their place be rented without a proper background check but I can't help but wonder what will happen if the renters successfully fooled the establishment owner into thinking that they are running a different business. but then again, I am sure there will be an investigation to see whether the owner knowingly allowed them to operate despite knowing what they were doing.
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This is very risky for property owners since those renting the space are often not transparent about their activities. With POGO already illegal in the country, they likely won’t use the name POGO anymore and might just claim they’re working online and need the space for their team. Nowadays, with so many condo units available for rent, it’s easy for them to set up operations discreetly. To completely eliminate these activities, it would take solid intelligence and monitoring.

Right and that is why the authorities are going to make them accountable this time. We are talking about the illegal POGO's here and not those who are still operating that is legitimate as they can change their names.

Btu as far as those illegal POGOs that rent big houses in some exclusive neighborhood, then the owners should really know who their tenants are and check if there is something fishy specially if the people that are going to rent are Chinese. Or they can just front a Filipino but later on, it will still be the Chinese inside. So at least home owners should check like every week and knock and see who is the person inside. And they showed be aware of this and they should be transparent to the authorities.
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This is very risky for property owners since those renting the space are often not transparent about their activities. With POGO already illegal in the country, they likely won’t use the name POGO anymore and might just claim they’re working online and need the space for their team. Nowadays, with so many condo units available for rent, it’s easy for them to set up operations discreetly. To completely eliminate these activities, it would take solid intelligence and monitoring.
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.

PAOCC warns owners vs. renting properties to illegal POGOs.

I think this is a good approach, so that those established owners will have to know the individuals renting there places. Because I'm hinting that if people behind this illegal POGO will just find one big properties and then offer the owner more than that they rented the place, there will be no question as who's going to stay on their properties. Now they will be liable and if they are found to be guilty could go to jail and pay fine to the government.

This is a good sign to squeeze thigs up, if they include those property owners then those people who will not allow illegal activities to happened, though it's still depends from those people if how greedy they are as even they are included to a possible illegal activities if money talks to them there's still chances that they will still allow it to facilatate.

Knowing the how the rules / laws being applied, there's always exemptions if the one being caught is not for the government then expect that we will hear highlights or exposure of those property owners but if they are pro government, we won't be hearing anything..

Correct, I do agree with this kind of implementation, property owners moving forward should do their due diligence and not just accept who are going to occupied their facility. And it much better for them to do such background checkup as well before they allow tenants.

And it looks like the Philippines government is very serious in shutting down the criminals or those who exploited them with illegal POGO's because they know it's easy to pay corrupt government official to turn their backs.
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.

PAOCC warns owners vs. renting properties to illegal POGOs.

I think this is a good approach, so that those established owners will have to know the individuals renting there places. Because I'm hinting that if people behind this illegal POGO will just find one big properties and then offer the owner more than that they rented the place, there will be no question as who's going to stay on their properties. Now they will be liable and if they are found to be guilty could go to jail and pay fine to the government.

This is a good sign to squeeze thigs up, if they include those property owners then those people who will not allow illegal activities to happened, though it's still depends from those people if how greedy they are as even they are included to a possible illegal activities if money talks to them there's still chances that they will still allow it to facilatate.

Knowing the how the rules / laws being applied, there's always exemptions if the one being caught is not for the government then expect that we will hear highlights or exposure of those property owners but if they are pro government, we won't be hearing anything..
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And the crackdown continues in the Philippines against illegal POGO's, now they included establishment owners could be liable as well.

PAOCC warns owners vs. renting properties to illegal POGOs.

I think this is a good approach, so that those established owners will have to know the individuals renting there places. Because I'm hinting that if people behind this illegal POGO will just find one big properties and then offer the owner more than that they rented the place, there will be no question as who's going to stay on their properties. Now they will be liable and if they are found to be guilty could go to jail and pay fine to the government.
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The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
As they are not against gambling they could take necessary steps to follow the rules of the government. Stop any service is not the solution but it could be better if they could running it but bound to follow the rules of the government.

We have regulations, we have PAGCOR to imposed those laws, however, there are still some crooked individuals who are going to try and break the law. Or in this case, influence a lot people that is in the government just to have their illegal gambling flourished in the country. There could be some issues along the way as corruption is really very hard to removed in any government.

So as much as the Philippine President has mandated that these illegal POGO's should be closed by December, I'm seeing that silently, there are already some individuals that are taking underground and could still be using the Philippines as their hub for their illegal gambling.
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The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
As they are not against gambling they could take necessary steps to follow the rules of the government. Stop any service is not the solution but it could be better if they could running it but bound to follow the rules of the government.
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It is a bad practice that they will not provide their proper service but they will seek for money. And it is not a wise decision by the. If they could provide proper service then all the parties could get the benefit for their service. As they could not provide proper service all become the loser.
The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

Yes, the current government or officials has been using POGO for their own political gains. That is very obvious right now, and I highly doubt that they can just ban or stop any gambling activity for that matter. They will just have to rename it and then there it goes, it will continue to flourish because of the huge money that the government can get in terms of taxes for legal gambling.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.

It has been discussed since the time of former President and then ousted Joseph Estrada. And there have been so many Presidents after him and still gambling whether illegal and legal has taken may shapes or form and continue in the countries for decades.
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They don't want the dirty job but wants to just come and claim the money. That's how they work and they don't want full funding to these operations. So, I can say that they're wise on this but they're wiser if they take over those operators and they run it with full potential and profits. That's how they're going to make more money from it and not that they're favoring the other operations and trying to take down their competitors. If they are against these POGOs and other gambling companies, they should have them all closed and down including all other online gambling operators.
It is a bad practice that they will not provide their proper service but they will seek for money. And it is not a wise decision by the. If they could provide proper service then all the parties could get the benefit for their service. As they could not provide proper service all become the loser.
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.

I'm not sure what the update is, most likely the police and the authorities are still investigating, but the thing is that when this kind of magnitude, the Philippine government should have arrested a big time or the ring leader, but so far I haven't heard anything yet.

That's why it could be just that the government wanted to look good and the President himself, saying that they are going to ban POGO for good. But from the comments, it's seems that this is far fetch and very difficult for the government to implement.
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.
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That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
It is something fishy and I think it is nothing but just like a fact that the officials of the government are corrupt. But as they are corrupted they will not be able to ban but I don't know what will be the net and what will be the net seen by the govt.

That's true and reality wise as if they are serious then they've got all the resources, radars and intel can easily detects those illegal facilatators, but what we are witnessing right now, there are still Pogo that still exist facilatating quitely as they are well protected by those high officials either from the police or goverment offices.

Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Now, aside from drugs illegal gambling really dominates, those owners even they knew that there's already a order to ban they just use their money to keep the business alive, an easy access to those corrupt officials that can give them protections.
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Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.
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