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legendary
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The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
As they are not against gambling they could take necessary steps to follow the rules of the government. Stop any service is not the solution but it could be better if they could running it but bound to follow the rules of the government.

We have regulations, we have PAGCOR to imposed those laws, however, there are still some crooked individuals who are going to try and break the law. Or in this case, influence a lot people that is in the government just to have their illegal gambling flourished in the country. There could be some issues along the way as corruption is really very hard to removed in any government.

So as much as the Philippine President has mandated that these illegal POGO's should be closed by December, I'm seeing that silently, there are already some individuals that are taking underground and could still be using the Philippines as their hub for their illegal gambling.
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The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
As they are not against gambling they could take necessary steps to follow the rules of the government. Stop any service is not the solution but it could be better if they could running it but bound to follow the rules of the government.
hero member
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It is a bad practice that they will not provide their proper service but they will seek for money. And it is not a wise decision by the. If they could provide proper service then all the parties could get the benefit for their service. As they could not provide proper service all become the loser.
The government isn't against gambling - in fact, regulating POGO proves that, as they gave them a license to operate. The problem arises when illegal activities start happening within POGO, and they stop following the terms of their license. That’s when regulators need to step in; otherwise, crime rates would go up, and that’s bad for the country’s image.

Taking down POGO is necessary when they cross the line. But maybe new investors will come in who will fully comply with the rules and respect the law. That’s what we’re waiting for because the tax revenue from gambling is significant, and it’s not something the country can easily give up.
hero member
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

Yes, the current government or officials has been using POGO for their own political gains. That is very obvious right now, and I highly doubt that they can just ban or stop any gambling activity for that matter. They will just have to rename it and then there it goes, it will continue to flourish because of the huge money that the government can get in terms of taxes for legal gambling.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.

It has been discussed since the time of former President and then ousted Joseph Estrada. And there have been so many Presidents after him and still gambling whether illegal and legal has taken may shapes or form and continue in the countries for decades.
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They don't want the dirty job but wants to just come and claim the money. That's how they work and they don't want full funding to these operations. So, I can say that they're wise on this but they're wiser if they take over those operators and they run it with full potential and profits. That's how they're going to make more money from it and not that they're favoring the other operations and trying to take down their competitors. If they are against these POGOs and other gambling companies, they should have them all closed and down including all other online gambling operators.
It is a bad practice that they will not provide their proper service but they will seek for money. And it is not a wise decision by the. If they could provide proper service then all the parties could get the benefit for their service. As they could not provide proper service all become the loser.
hero member
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.

I'm not sure what the update is, most likely the police and the authorities are still investigating, but the thing is that when this kind of magnitude, the Philippine government should have arrested a big time or the ring leader, but so far I haven't heard anything yet.

That's why it could be just that the government wanted to look good and the President himself, saying that they are going to ban POGO for good. But from the comments, it's seems that this is far fetch and very difficult for the government to implement.
legendary
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As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Right now seeing how worst they handle the situation for sure those illegal casino will continue. We could able to see that despite of their plans to ban POGO there are still lots of online or offline casino exist in that country. It seems like they are just using the POGO issues for their own political gains since right now the topic regarding on banning it seems like never been tackled again.

So I guess those plan might never gonna happen and casinos would provably continue to operate in those countries. I don't know if government really have guts to make those banning implementation to happen since provably that they would lost lots of revenues. This is why I'm curious to know about the update of this issue.
legendary
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That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
It is something fishy and I think it is nothing but just like a fact that the officials of the government are corrupt. But as they are corrupted they will not be able to ban but I don't know what will be the net and what will be the net seen by the govt.

That's true and reality wise as if they are serious then they've got all the resources, radars and intel can easily detects those illegal facilatators, but what we are witnessing right now, there are still Pogo that still exist facilatating quitely as they are well protected by those high officials either from the police or goverment offices.

Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.

Now, aside from drugs illegal gambling really dominates, those owners even they knew that there's already a order to ban they just use their money to keep the business alive, an easy access to those corrupt officials that can give them protections.
hero member
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Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.

It depends on the government or the form of government itself, if the leader will be a dictator or authoritative regime, then perhaps they can eradicate gambling because the people has no power and they will have to follow the rule.

But not the Philippines, although the last regime was during their peak made a lot of gains against drugs, now it goes back to normal again + illegal gambling. So I don't know what or who will be the elected officials that can removed illegal gambling here.
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Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
As long as there is a high demand for such a service, there will be someone willing to take the risk and offer it, so it is obvious that it is impossible for any government to eradicate illegal casinos completely, especially when the demand is so high and those behind such operations can get massive amounts of money they can later use to bribe the police and politicians and keep open their illegal casinos for a long period of time.
hero member
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There are others like POGO's whose operations are still continuing in this country until now, as if despite the declaration of a total ban on POGO's, there are still rumors like Pogo's that are still operational; therefore, the government agencies are only shopping for Pogos that they will raid when they don't get anything here.

But when they get big taxes from a Pogo's outlet, the government authorities turn a blind eye to citing or raiding it.
This is what happens in that country.

There are no more taxes being collected since it's already banned. If these operators continue to operate without approval, it’s likely because they’re paying protection money to the authorities. That’s how dirty things can get and how rampant corruption is in the Philippines. According to an interview with a high-ranking policeman, the PNP is described as the biggest syndicate.

Next to drugs, I think gambling is really rampant in our country, initially I would say that the Duterte administration might be successful on curbing drugs when he was the President. Enough with that, next is obviously gambling, in the beginning, this POGO is a good source of taxes from the government specially during the pandemic as it provides them with the needed fund.

However, it goes extremes as there could be officials who turn blind on illegal POGO or even cock fighting and then many people died, kidnapped, being ransom, tortured and others. And with that, I do not think that it will be totally eradicated by Marcos and there could be some of his closest friends could be the protector themselves.
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Exactly.
The real ones that are running it aren't even named and they're protecting him/her. It's actually better if the government is the one running all of these operations and the entire thing goes to them with all of the profits and everything. But, they choose to tax these licensed gaming operators because they think it's hassle free and have more taxes to collect.

That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
They don't want the dirty job but wants to just come and claim the money. That's how they work and they don't want full funding to these operations. So, I can say that they're wise on this but they're wiser if they take over those operators and they run it with full potential and profits. That's how they're going to make more money from it and not that they're favoring the other operations and trying to take down their competitors. If they are against these POGOs and other gambling companies, they should have them all closed and down including all other online gambling operators.
hero member
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That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
It is something fishy and I think it is nothing but just like a fact that the officials of the government are corrupt. But as they are corrupted they will not be able to ban but I don't know what will be the net and what will be the net seen by the govt.
It is definitely fishy here, governments are blatantly showing how corrupt they especially those who are high above. Almost every one of the cabinet members of the Philippine government has questionable funds they are hiding and even if they were caught, nothing really happens as the case keeps on getting passed on and forgotten until the next time it'll be checked. Also, they didn't really banned POGO rather it was renamed and they only targeted certain POGO hubs to be shut down.
Corruption is something a global problem on which there are really that tons of countries around the world would really be having that kind of set up in terms of those possible issues or those huge scandals or whatever it is on which the government would really be that trying out to divert people or citizens attention via doing or making some another issue on which it will really be that distracting peoples mind or attention and would be totally forgotten with those recent issues or problems and this is how manipulative government would be specially into those 3rd world or developing countries on which this one really that involves those transactions
be made out behind the curtains and there's nothing we can do about that.

If PH did really pushes out a ban to POGO and might be ending up successful but there would really be still those who do ran behind the curtain or simply making operation in the shadows despite of such ban.
Why? There would really be those protectors would really be that trying out to make  those transactions keep running and really that benefiting or recieving under the table as an exchange.
This isnt really that new or shocking anymore and thats why citizens are already that getting used to it, since we do know that there's nothing we do can about it.
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That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
It is something fishy and I think it is nothing but just like a fact that the officials of the government are corrupt. But as they are corrupted they will not be able to ban but I don't know what will be the net and what will be the net seen by the govt.
It is definitely fishy here, governments are blatantly showing how corrupt they especially those who are high above. Almost every one of the cabinet members of the Philippine government has questionable funds they are hiding and even if they were caught, nothing really happens as the case keeps on getting passed on and forgotten until the next time it'll be checked. Also, they didn't really banned POGO rather it was renamed and they only targeted certain POGO hubs to be shut down.
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That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
It is something fishy and I think it is nothing but just like a fact that the officials of the government are corrupt. But as they are corrupted they will not be able to ban but I don't know what will be the net and what will be the net seen by the govt.
legendary
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There are others like POGO's whose operations are still continuing in this country until now, as if despite the declaration of a total ban on POGO's, there are still rumors like Pogo's that are still operational; therefore, the government agencies are only shopping for Pogos that they will raid when they don't get anything here.

But when they get big taxes from a Pogo's outlet, the government authorities turn a blind eye to citing or raiding it.
This is what happens in that country.

There are no more taxes being collected since it's already banned. If these operators continue to operate without approval, it’s likely because they’re paying protection money to the authorities. That’s how dirty things can get and how rampant corruption is in the Philippines. According to an interview with a high-ranking policeman, the PNP is described as the biggest syndicate.

No wonder that's why those who can provide huge amount of money to protect their business can still facilatate and that's not a secret as there's location that being pointed but seems the goverment itself are unable to investigate or to raid the place, unlike those places where they directly targetting it's just an easy access for them and there are medias that will report their achievements rigth away, funny to say but that's the reality and it continue from low ranks official up to their seniors hahaha.
hero member
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There are others like POGO's whose operations are still continuing in this country until now, as if despite the declaration of a total ban on POGO's, there are still rumors like Pogo's that are still operational; therefore, the government agencies are only shopping for Pogos that they will raid when they don't get anything here.

But when they get big taxes from a Pogo's outlet, the government authorities turn a blind eye to citing or raiding it.
This is what happens in that country.

There are no more taxes being collected since it's already banned. If these operators continue to operate without approval, it’s likely because they’re paying protection money to the authorities. That’s how dirty things can get and how rampant corruption is in the Philippines. According to an interview with a high-ranking policeman, the PNP is described as the biggest syndicate.
hero member
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Well, going in the both sides of liking it and not. Our government seems to be favoring some of these online casinos and they're not mostly crypto casinos. Those that have advertisements in billboards, they're not considered as POGO but then they don't ban them at all and they are not touching them putting some restrictions to what they should really do there. And from the POGO, they're now rebranding them into "online gaming license" for which are still gambling.

Imagine that? Brilliant… it’s like that’s exactly where they’re headed because they’re just not about to give up everything to the government. They’ve got the resources - they could even run their own casino if they wanted to. And these guys don’t need to be the official owners; they can just operate from behind the scenes using other people as the front.
Exactly.
The real ones that are running it aren't even named and they're protecting him/her. It's actually better if the government is the one running all of these operations and the entire thing goes to them with all of the profits and everything. But, they choose to tax these licensed gaming operators because they think it's hassle free and have more taxes to collect.

That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.

There are others like POGO's whose operations are still continuing in this country until now, as if despite the declaration of a total ban on POGO's, there are still rumors like Pogo's that are still operational; therefore, the government agencies are only shopping for Pogos that they will raid when they don't get anything here.

But when they get big taxes from a Pogo's outlet, the government authorities turn a blind eye to citing or raiding it.
This is what happens in that country.
legendary
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Well, going in the both sides of liking it and not. Our government seems to be favoring some of these online casinos and they're not mostly crypto casinos. Those that have advertisements in billboards, they're not considered as POGO but then they don't ban them at all and they are not touching them putting some restrictions to what they should really do there. And from the POGO, they're now rebranding them into "online gaming license" for which are still gambling.

Imagine that? Brilliant… it’s like that’s exactly where they’re headed because they’re just not about to give up everything to the government. They’ve got the resources - they could even run their own casino if they wanted to. And these guys don’t need to be the official owners; they can just operate from behind the scenes using other people as the front.
Exactly.
The real ones that are running it aren't even named and they're protecting him/her. It's actually better if the government is the one running all of these operations and the entire thing goes to them with all of the profits and everything. But, they choose to tax these licensed gaming operators because they think it's hassle free and have more taxes to collect.

That opinion is valid if only the government runs those and offers the gaming services then it's much bigger incoming money but they choose to give permission and let other operators to do business and provide services. Chosing taxes instead of getting the full potential profits, I guess those corrupt officials choose to get the tax to make it legal but behind that is where the corruptions happened, there's always under the table deal before you'll get your permits hahaha.
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The Philippines have been known to have illegal gambling though, even in the arrival of online gambling. I remember reading news about some illegal lottery in small towns and it was really huge for those criminals as it rake millions if not billions. What I'm trying to say is that maybe gambling is really deep rooted on the society, like cock fighting which is also famous too in the country. So it's going to be very hard to stop this kind of gambling as society had somewhat embraced it.

Now there’s both offline and online gambling that’s illegal. If the government can’t stop the type of gambling you mentioned, which is easier to catch, how can they control these online casinos that aren’t even based in the Philippines? But you can’t just call those online casinos illegal just because they don’t have a permit here. What’s illegal is accessing them. Casinos with a Curacao gaming license, for example, aren’t illegal themselves, but some of them still accept players from countries where gambling is banned.

Not hard to control if they would just block it? The problem is that for example, they have the local wallet called GCash. And it seems this app is supporting gambling because they have incorporated it.

So if the government will have it, they can just tell this local app to not support gambling per se.

But the problem is perhaps this local wallet could be under the control of the most powerful personalities in the Philippines and that's why they are not doing anything about it.
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