Topic: fillippone merited thread need more support of merit source. - page 3. (Read 878 times)

First of all, I don't think any merit source will encourage a thread or post created by someone with the intention that they will get merits and rank up cause this is a forum and it will be alive as long as we keep it simple and practical not something like office you will get more oay when you work hard.

I don't blame you if you're intention is to encourage members who supposed to received more merits than they are but the solution is already there [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source, so if you find anything that deserves merits then just post it there and if you still feel they aren't then why don't you apply to become a merit source.

There are 110 merit sources.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

There are many people (at least four or five people) that have applied for merit source but no one has been selected after the last selection.

You have to understand that being a merit source is an unpaid position, and pretty much one with no rewards at all other than to individual members who receive merits from them and the forum as a whole in so far as account farming is essentially dead. 

Second, many sources didn't even apply for the position (like me).  Back in September 2019, Theymos sent out a PM to a number of people in which he announced that they were now merit sources.  Personally, I take the job seriously because I support the merit system 100% and want to see it functioning as intended.  That might not necessarily be true of other members who got that PM, or some of them could have dropped out for whatever reason.  The data on merit sources isn't exactly transparent.

So while it would be great if more sources busted their asses, it's a volunteer job and Theymos is very much a hands-off kind of boss in that he doesn't contact you to say you aren't giving out enough merits or the like (at least I haven't heard of him doing that; someone correct me if I'm wrong).  To offer a service like fillippone does, actmyname did, or I do can turn into a monumental pain in the ass.  Your inbox fills up faster than you can deal with them or you just get way more requests than you can handle if it's a thread.  I imagine a lot of sources just don't want to bother with that--and that's OK.  Everyone has their own particular style and methods in being a source.

However, I don't know how many merit sources there currently are, or how active they are, but I'll betcha it'd probably help things if Theymos added some new ones.  Speaking of that, I haven't seen any new applications to be a merit source in quite some time.

Does this thread look like I'm appealing for merit, have to express my feelings and make what I observed to be open to everyone, at least you can see where senior colleagues express their feelings, this your comment is what make some people not to speak out what they observe, I don't think their is any way this thread look like a thread that is merit fetching

Everyone is aware that each merit sources have a particular section they merit people, but the problem is that all this thread listed are the major places people submit their profiles for merit, its good for a merit sources to support any thread that is created for rank up and unmerited posts.

From the beginning I think each of the merit sources have particular board that's allocated or assign to a merit sources to merit, but creating a thread like fillippone, Ratimov and loyceV will give move advantages by meriting someone who is quality to earn a merit from you, I think it will not course any harm or cheating because the thread will have a meet up criteria before you can receive a message from a merit sources

He has initiated that thread for merits after post evaluation on his personal basis and if some source find good post or they come across it they will merit them but if you say contribute to each post on all such threads then it's not possible at all and why is there such need? There are general threads where all sources give merits and you can report your post there.At currently @DdmrDdmr don't have any such threads you are talking about and he only hands out merit fast and regularly on the forum as well other merit sources are doing good job so I don't think that's a good idea you are presenting here.

The merit source @Ratimov whose thread you have mentioned has already said it's of no use so can't say much about it  and I think @fillippone is also doing great but it's hard to evaluate all the posts because many people will report dpam posts also so it usually takes time to hand out merits and he have changed his criteria of handing out merits in that thread like previously he send 3 in most of the TX but after that thread he changed it to 1,2 and more according to posts and doing great.But if you found any post useful report it in the first link mentioned under your post for merit sources to help.

In my opinion, @OP, there is no reason for this thread.
I believe you know that already all the merit sources in this forum have their own ways and means of merit distribution; they must not all use the same ideaology as the The Sceptical Chymist , Ratimov, fillippone, LoyceV, or every other person. Have you not known that some merit sources are also very active on their local boards? There is a high rank member who gives out merit almost every day in some threads; there is no rank at which he doesn't give merit; as long as you are active and your comments are in line with the discussion, you will definitely earn merit from him. Merit is received based on post quality; anyone who puts effort into their post will for sure earn merit and can even receive more than 100 merits within three months by themselves and also with a little help of the already existing merit source threads.

It's already a big opportunity from merit source that we have a place where we can submit underrated posts to be merit assessed. And I think there ont only just Merit source share merits but also some other users also send it if they find something useful and constructive.
So we should not indirectly force someone for Merit flow and we should keep up the good works in this forum, merits will start searching us.

Anyway, Some unlucky posts will not receive merits ever so move on.

I guess it's a general thing that many users already know, and even I don't see the criteria as something debatable. This doesn't seem like the main issue that got the OP to come up with this thread, but something else encouraged him to create this thread. Maybe it's because the OP realized that there are 13 pages that contain multiple review requests that @filippone hasn't gotten around to reviewing yet.

But the OP seems to have forgotten that if someone else gets that post with at least 2 merits, then @filippone will skip it.

each Merit source has its way and right to distribute its sMerit to whom. not everything has to go through threads or PM to ask for post reviews. more maybe focus on local boards. and it helps local boards become more active with members who are actively discussing.

what we need to understand, each Merit source has its criteria. even those who are not a Merit source also have the freedom to distribute their smerit.

I think @fillippone has a commitment about it, as I quote here:


I get the impression that some people are getting impatient to get a lot of merit after posting their request for review in the @fillippone thread. This is probably because according to them @fillippone is not optimal because many applications have not been reviewed even after several pages, but basically these people do not realize that @fillippone has committed to reading all posts and assessing whether they deserve an merit or not. It's clear that @fillippone took a lot of time to do, but I'm starting to get the impression that some people are getting impatient.

In addition, some people are starting to focus on getting merit on the @fillippone thread, while they have difficulty getting merit elsewhere because the quality of the posts lacks weight. But despite all that, I also disagree that other merit source need to be encouraged to get lots of posts in the @fillippone thread, but everyone just needs to be patient to have their turn.

I don't merit anyone who is begging for merit.

If you look closely to each merit source we have on the forum, everyone of them have their own unique way of making their own contributions to see that merits flow accordingly throughout the forum on post deserving it, know that to merit someone is not by force but by choice, take a look at how LoyceV, Ratimov, JayJuanGee, Ddmrddmr, The Sceptical Chymist, NotATether among others administer their respective merits pattern to be different from each other, fillippone may decides to adjust his requirements for application maybe to ranks, amount of merits needed to rank up among other criterials in short or put it open for other merits sources to assist but i believe they all have enough to attend to on their own threads as well and only few may have some left by the end of the month.


Also come to think of it this way that some members members will take it as their right to receive merit even when they aren't deserving for it because they giver has to be the one to decided wether their post has enough informative ideas that could make it deserves being merited, maybe sooner or later Theymos may take the go for making an additional number of merits source to make it more easier.

Today's newbies, in simple terms, are simply impudent. Let's remember how the idea of merit distribution came about. At a time when everything was just beginning, were there any requirements for mandatory viewing of posts for sources of merit? Everything happened by itself. If the post is interesting, then the users deserve it; it was really difficult to grow to the rank of a member.
Today's newbies, literally from the first posts, submit their conclusions to the @fillippone thread, demanding to check their "worthy" creations. Some have a pattern that is fairly easy to follow.
It all comes down to fake communication; people roam the forum in search of merit, turning the forum not into live communication but into some kind of student branch with their test papers.

Bitcointalk is not an office.


Don't beg merit from merit sources

On the contrary, I wish @fillippone would be more strict in monitoring its topic and setting a maximum number of merit per account (for example, the highest merits you can get from this thread is 20 all new replies will be deleted)

These topics have become attractive for account farming who have a lot of alt accounts as they can quickly rank up by participating in:

 - spamming Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
 - weekly post in Share your best posts/thread OR HELP ME TO RANKUP TOPICS.
 - The challenges are like the last pizza challenge, and I suppose most of the participants aimed for merits, and then participated using some alt accounts.
 - Making some fake stories like I helped my local community with bitcoin or false claim with the help of beginners.


thanks @lovesmayfamilis to make me aware of such practices.

I agree with you, I don't think that every merit source should distribute their merits in such artificial way. If some members are doing it, it doesn't mean that we should force everyone to do it.
IMO, it's ok when few are doing it, but if everyone would start doing same, there would be more harm than good.

Each merit source has its target where it will spend its merits. Some merit sources have threads where they help others by reviewing posts. That doesn't mean other merit sources should do the same. Some merit sources wait for good posts where they can dump a good number of merits. Some others choose to spend single merits every time they join any conversation. Some others looks for a good post that's it. Instead of reporting good posts; you can post in sections where people visit and read your posts. Imagine you have wrote a good post in off-topic where merit sources don't visit. Your post won't get merited if you continue post there. Do not choose a single merit source for post reviews. There are other threads too. If you really want to get reviewed, choose someone else.

Let's force all the merit sources to open their own merit distribution thread, let's force all users to posts for only earn merits, let's make the Beginners & Help and Reputation sections filled of "[insert merit source name] merited thread" where it will be bounty v2.0 section since every users just report their good posts.

There's no point to hoard sMerit, but it doesn't mean all merit sources need to force themselves to always distribute all of their sMerit.

Anyone that needs more merit should use the LoyceV thread that I posted, there are merit sources there. Quality posts are often merited there. You do not necessarily need to be the one that has the posts, you can also report other user's posts for merit.

The Sceptical Chymist do give up to 50 merits to people that deserves it.

Yes fillippone is active in his thread and it has being meriting people seriously but the thread is having more pages because people is submitting application everyday, the least application that come to that thread a day should be ten or eight (10/8) applications daily either he needed more smerit from theymos to distribute more in that thread.

The Sceptical Chymist: is the list I made for one of the users that is distributing Larger merit to people, and I observe that The Sceptical Chymist distributes like thirty, twenty five to fifteen (30 -25 - 15) merit at once, and that is helping for merit circulation. For the thread I Skip, I don't know that such thread is existing, thanks for bringing it to my knowledge, i will add it