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legendary
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Just saw you have negative trust rating which is quite surprising to me. Are the accusations true?

It wouldn't be as surprising if this thread wasn't self moderated.

They pay users to post nice things while they ignore/delete serious issues.  (17 of my posts have been deleted from this thread since April 11.
Thread is moderated because there were some hard trolling attempts in the past. And it is hard to fight vs all these trolls.
As for current negative trust of FJ, I don't think this issue is affecting players of the casino at all as it is not related.

Hi there, accusation has no argument to exist, we never deserved it and will demand to get it off.
legendary
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.

They are saying themselves they meant to pay 3btc shared, that would be fine too.  

I pointed out in the first post that even though they said "3 bitcoin each" I thought it might be "3 bitcoin shared"

Only reason we're still discussing "3btc each vs 3btc shared" is because instead of addressing the issue directly and apologizing for the mistake, they lied about it and tried to make it seem like someone else should be held accountable for the rules they posted about a contest they were running.  

As of today, they haven't apologized or admitted to doing anything wrong.



Might as well ad them taking more rake than advertised and not really seeming to give a shit.

The rake is advertised as 4% at cash tables, but they are taking 5%. This needs to be fixed immediately.

No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid.

The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.

as per my understanding of the video contest rules say that we as 4th to 13th participants would receive 3 btc split based on fj statement "Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each"
so it would solve at least one problem of fj video contest if they decide to pay that amount (around 0.3 each) i as participant glad to hear fj have an intention to do it. so far just it. let's see what would happen in this story.



Edit : i can confirm that i have received the amount promised to honor participants worth 0.3 about 1 hour ago kindly to all participants check your email and fj account.
i thought so far fj video contest accussation solved as fj already sent the amount promised 3 btc split prize.
legendary
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.

They are saying themselves they meant to pay 3btc shared, that would be fine too. 

I pointed out in the first post that even though they said "3 bitcoin each" I thought it might be "3 bitcoin shared"

Only reason we're still discussing "3btc each vs 3btc shared" is because instead of addressing the issue directly and apologizing for the mistake, they lied about it and tried to make it seem like someone else should be held accountable for the rules they posted about a contest they were running.  

As of today, they haven't apologized or admitted to doing anything wrong.



Might as well ad them taking more rake than advertised and not really seeming to give a shit.

The rake is advertised as 4% at cash tables, but they are taking 5%. This needs to be fixed immediately.

No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid.

The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.
hero member
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
it's obvious they did not intend to pay 3BTC to each, i was about to enter the contest but somehow forgotten about it, i made video for crypto-games and got 0.05BTC that's why i propose this as solution.
member
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
Yeah, No. How would you feel if you were promised a 3 bitcoin reward, and only got 0.05 btc? Put yourself in the contest participants shoes and think about it.
hero member
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@FortuneJack maybe you could pay 0.05 BTC to everyone who submitted video, contest was a failure so you could just pay everyone for their work and have a peace.
legendary
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We already know you are scum for not paying out 3btc  split or 3btc each.  All you are doing now is showing you are lying scum.

Yesterday you edited the official announcement made by FortuneJack in December thinking nobody would notice the change, then tried to make it seem like someone else made a typo in February.  You got caught.

If it was a mistake, you would of fixed it sooner.  You posted it in December and promoted the hell out of it.  It was sent to tons of bitcoin news sites in Feb.   It's quoted in the OP of this thread, which was started over a month ago!  People have been complaining about it since April 1.  

You want us tobelieve you didn't notice it till yesterday?  bullshit.


legendary
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Promotion was counted void, we did not announce winners and all of the contestants accumulated less views then expected, that is why we payed out 0.03 BTC for the trouble.
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You can't really declare the contest 'void' just because small number of views, since you haven't bother to set any limits for places other than 1-3.

Anyhow, glad to see you agreed to pay that 3 BTC split prize, hopefully that would settle the issue.
legendary
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You don't have to be scammed to make a scam accusation. If you do agree it is 3 BTC split, then why pay up only 0.03 to each contestant? The 3 BTC split is still more than 10 times your paid price. Also, it was your fault for making the mistake, as you said in your post. People here aren't stupid. Pay up the advertised prizes, or the neg will probably stay. Also, the contest lasted for at least 2 months. Surely you would have realized in that time?

Promotion was counted void, we did not announce winners and all of the contestants accumulated less views then expected, that is why we payed out 0.03 BTC for the trouble.

As noted above, we will pay out 3 BTC split prize to all of the contestants, we have proved that it was a technical mistake, besides that, all of the contestants acknowledged the fact that in case Promotion ended successfully and winners were announced, 4-10, 11-30 places would receive a split prize of 3 BTC not 3 BTC 'each'.
We have provided the proof that contestants were aware of this, check the post above. There can be no discussion about paying 3 BTC each contestant just for one 'typo' mistake, anyone with healthy mindset will understand this.
legendary
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You don't have to be scammed to make a scam accusation. If you do agree it is 3 BTC split, then why pay up only 0.03 to each contestant? The 3 BTC split is still more than 10 times your paid price. Also, it was your fault for making the mistake, as you said in your post. People here aren't stupid. Pay up the advertised prizes, or the neg will probably stay. Also, the contest lasted for at least 2 months. Surely you would have realized in that time?
legendary
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Our Marketing department was inattentive while copy pasting the text into the forum and did not properly proofread (word by word) the article written by Bitcoin PR Buzz, this is a fact.


Exactly.  Your marketing department, your fault.
legendary
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Press release was written by Bitcoin PR Buzz based on the rules we sent them and they replied to the accusation that they made a mistake. No one could expect Fortunejack getting scam accusation and negative trust for one typo mistake. We are 100% sure that all of the contestants were aware of the fact that 3 BTC would be in split prizes, but accusation author TwitchySeal.

Here's the comment written by one of the contestants in this thread: poplolnman

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but i disappointed on fj email replies say that None of the participants matched the requirements  for the video Sad and participant would recieve well-deserved reward?, can't see the rules like this before. all i can see are 4th-10th would receive 3btc in split prize.

The post published on December 9th, on February 3rd, and edit of May 17th means that Press release was simply copy pasted into the forum inattentively as no changes were made to the text, and the fact that Bitcoin PR Buzz admires the ownership of the article, clears the charges partially against us. 

Our Marketing department was inattentive while copy pasting the text into the forum and did not properly proofread (word by word) the article written by Bitcoin PR Buzz, this is a fact.



Otherwise, why would be pay out 4-10 3 BTC each, and 11 - 30 places 3 BTC each as well? Could we not be more creative and differentiate 26 places?

As an example, attaching a screenshot from our Poker Tournament Interface, where you can see similar chart to ours (video contests'), for Prize fund distribution, where the amount of 303.6 mBTC is split between 10 - 12 places.



Even though the contest was counted void, as a good gesture to calm things down and remove negative trusts from the profile, we will still pay out 3 BTC split into 11 places. The accusation is totally not gambling oriented, is raised by an 'angry' community member who has never even been enrolled in the contest, has no foolproof argument to validate the reference, and must not be attached to the Fortunejack profile
legendary
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Timeline:

December 9th:

FJ Creates Thread:

" FortuneJack Launches YouTube Video Contest - earn up to 10 BTC "

OP Includes:
Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Something smells fishy here. Are you just taking Fortune Jacks word that they told you to write something different on your site?

What about this one?

http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

Are you Tako?
Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Cliffnots:

Dec - Started contest
Jan -Advertise as most generous contest of all time.
April - Contest Ends, tell everyone the lose but get .030 bc of generosity only. 
May - Edit rules post made in Dec.  Invite COO of BitcoinPRBuzz to tell everyone it was her fault for changing the rules  that we posted in Feb. 
legendary
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Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz

Johanna, what is your relationship to Fortune Jack and why are you trying to cover up for them.

My next post will prove that you are not being honest about the Press Release on Feb 3rd. 

Please tell us the truth, including what Fortune Jack just told you to tell us.


legendary
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We negotiated with all contestants that minimum views accumulated was not enough to qualify for the prize fund, and none of them raised negative trust, simply recording a video and posting it nowhere will not bring you 4 BTC for the 4th place, and 0.11 BTC for the rest), we distributed the prize fund as we counted right, and negotiated with contestants. The largest amount of views video accumulated was 300 views and was payed 0.2 BTC for it, while we were expecting at least 3000+ views, rest of the contestants were payed 0.03 BTC who accumulated 100 or less views. T&C also stated that rules could be changed and players could be eliminated during the contest. The fact that some of the contestants were unsatisfied with the contest outcome, does not deserve negative trust for FJ Profile. And all of them understand this, but you. We may discuss this on the thread, or could create another thread for discussion, but raising a negative trust reference by a usual spammer who never uploaded any videos for the contest, is a bit gross

i never negotiate anything with fortunejack about video contest prize Sad hmmmm they just keep telling me my submission are not qualified , not negotiating.
i remember correctly my video here was have over 300 views and still receive dishonor prize of 0.03 Sad very dissapointing statement fj. please tell the truth.
legendary
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I can't comment on the casino activities mentioned here (you shouldn't really trust any casino, especially an online one) and I'm not sure about the 3rd party sites but the original /video guidelines on fortunejack.com seems to state it would be split up and there would be minimum views required.

EDIT: There does still seem to be a discrepency on how many views were actually received, and it was a tricky/misleading advertisement for the competition, but based on the "Important" section of the contest, I wouldn't have entered it because it leaves too much room for the contest creator to deem views as fake and eliminate contestants on their own doubts of view authenticity.

Google Cache:
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Do you have a video recording skills? Do you gamble at FortuneJack? If the answer is YES, then you should participate in FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest.

Short Description

Record a home video, register & upload on fortunejack.com contest page until the 15th of January, pass through the validation procedures, accumulate the most number of views on YouTube and become a winner.

Detailed Description

Must use the slogan: Why look for fortune elsewhere?
Video must be from 3 to 15 minutes in length.
Should include both high quality video and audio - Minimum Quality 480p.
Video should specify the reasons why FortuneJack is better than other casinos. (Must mention our promotions, including affiliate program, Crypto currency exchange and Bitcoin purchase systems.)
Must discuss at least 3 games from the list: Dice, Keno, Blackjack, Binary Trader, Fortune wheel, Fortune Slots and Video Poker.

Please fill all the fields in registration form and keep in mind that your video meets all the requirements written below.

Pass through the validation procedures

Video must be in English.
Avoid profane language, violence, sex or personal attacks on people or organizations.
Avoid violating copyright laws or using brand names or logos other than Fortune Jack's in your video.
Video must be original content.

Deadline:
Registration procedures start on the 1st of December and end on the 15th of February.
Confirmed Videos will be uploaded on YouTube until the 15th of February.
Campaign will end on the 29th of March 2016.
Winner will be announced on the 1st of April.
All participants will be emailed the link to the video uploaded on Youtube until the 16th of January.

Jack's Favourite

Jack will favour the most creative video and besides the views accumulated, will reward the video presenter with fabulous prizes.
* 7 participants who finish at IV place, will receive the prize pool of 3 BTC equally distributed among them.
* 20 participants who finish at V place, will receive the prize pool of 3 BTC equally distributed among them.

Important:

All the videos made during this contest will be the property of FortuneJack casino.
All the videos that will have fake views will be automatically eliminated from the contest.
Contestants may be asked to provide sources, where the video was promoted. Sources provided by contestant must be crypto and gambling oriented.
We reserves right to eliminate contestant based on our doubts about view authenticity
Pay attention, to become a winner, you must accumulate minimum certain amount of views written below:
1st Place (Minimum of 15,000 views required)
2nd Place (Minimum of 10,000 views required)
3rd Place (Minimum of 7,000 views required)




For more information about this contest, contact our support team at [email protected]

newbie
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Our press releases are sent out to hundreds of news sites, this press release
(please see the link below) is the source of the articles that you have read, that
because of our mistake in the original post contains the same factual error.

http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

I apologize again to both you and FortuneJack for this serous and unfortunate typo.


Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz
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hero member
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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

I can see how this is so confusing. Oh wait, no I can't. It clearly states 3BTC each. I guess the only thing left to do is admit you didn't mean to put the 'each' then as a show of good faith pay out 3BTC to everyone who participated.

Sound good?
legendary
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I would like to officially apologize on behalf of Bitcoin PR Buzz
for the error in the press release titled ”Win up to 10 Free BTC
in FortuneJack’s YouTube Video Contest" that we published on
February 3, 2016. We made a serious factual error in the original text
stating that FortuneJack would award entrants with 3 BTC ‘each’.

We have changed the original post to the correct sentence
"Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC".
Bitcoin PR Buzz takes full responsibility for the error and we would like
to apologize to everyone that may feel deceived as a result
of our mistake.

Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz


Something smells fishy here. Are you just taking Fortune Jacks word that they told you to write something different on your site?

What about this one?

http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/win-up-to-10-free-btc-in-fortunejacks-youtube-video-contest/

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Entrants positioning from 4th to 30th will certainly receive a total amount of 3 BTC each.

Are you Tako?

newbie
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I would like to officially apologize on behalf of Bitcoin PR Buzz
for the error in the press release titled ”Win up to 10 Free BTC
in FortuneJack’s YouTube Video Contest" that we published on
February 3, 2016. We made a serious factual error in the original text
stating that FortuneJack would award entrants with 3 BTC ‘each’.

We have changed the original post to the correct sentence
"Entrants placing from 4th to 30th will receive a total of 3 BTC".
Bitcoin PR Buzz takes full responsibility for the error and we would like
to apologize to everyone that may feel deceived as a result
of our mistake.

Johanna, COO at Bitcoin PR Buzz
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