Topic: FJ Agrees to make payment after extraordinary display of scumminess(Cliffs inOP) - page 5. (Read 7258 times)
April 12, 2016, 04:18:27 AM
Video contest was one of the reason why I played there.I am sure they are a bit shady in way they operate.
April 12, 2016, 03:26:40 AM
5/19 Update:
FortuneJack says they will be splitting up 3 BTC among each of the video contest contestants.
The rules posted in December offered "a total of 3 BTC each.", but I think everyone is satisfied as they obviously screwed up the rules and are at least now paying out 10 times more than what was originally sent.
That being said, as of right now they haven't apologized or even admitted to any wrong doing. They basically ignored the issue hoping it would go away. When they realized it wasn't going away, they tried to cover it up with more lies. Only after being caught lying again, did they decide to pay...
Cliffs:
April 12th - I started this thread. FJ responded twice claiming they owed nothing and the contestants should be grateful FJ was generous enough to send them .03 BTC since they didn't have to.
They ignored the whole thing for the next month.
May 13th - They made post implying that users were disqualified for fraudulent views on their videos. (This was bullshit - majority of videos had under 100 views, the most was around 300)
May 17th - They made a post with mostly irrelevant info and a couple lies.
Lie #1-
May 17 - Brand new account claiming to be COO of Bitcoin PR Buzz makes a post claiming the "3 btc each" Press Release made in Feb was her fault because she changed it after they sent it to her.
I posted proof that just before she made this post, FortuneJack edited their own post from December, which said the same exact thing this person claimed was her mistake in Feb.
Requests to confirm she worked for a seperate company and what her relationship to FJ was have all been ignored.
May 18th - FJ claims it was Bitcoin PR Buzz' fault that the rules were posted wrong from the FJ account in December.
Pokerplayers should check out their lol evidence screenshot of tournament lobby payouts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14885728
Oh and this is unrelated but they think it's fine to advertise 4% rake and take 5% (This is actually a big deal for a serious poker player)
No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid.
The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.
Original Post Below
Fortune Jacks has maintained a reputation by appearing to be available on this forum to answer any questions and defend themselves against any accusations the way an honest business would.
In reality, they are using Bitcointalk to maintain a good reputation while consistently behaving scummy.
When a player comes to their thread with an issue , they are often bullied into silence by other users who are clearly being motivated to protect FJs reputation at all cost. If that doesn't work, FJ simply deletes the post and the thread continues to be flooded with praise from signature campaign members working on meeting their monthly quota.
I will be bringing more attention to these practices in another post (FJ is not the only site abusing bitcointalk) as I see it as a much bigger problem than the two separate issues below.
ISSUE #1 - The Youtube Video Contest
From December - April, FJ ran a contest with over 100 BTC in prizes to the winners who would be announced on April 1. This contest was heavily advertised. April first came and went, no winners were announced, it seems they ended up awarding a total of 0.28 BTC to the 8 entries and refuse to respond to any questions.
The rules for the contest:
Note: Only the top 3 prizes have a minimum # of views required. Also, they ended up extending the deadline to April 1.
The prizes:
One could interpret the prize chart as 4-10 receiving 3 BTC or 4-10 sharing 3BTC however FJ clarifies that 4-10 would receive 3 BTC each.
The FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest which is the latest promotion on deck the Bitcoin casino, but it is unlike the typical Christmas and holiday bonuses and promotions that require playing Bitcoin slots and other games. This FortuneJack exclusive opens a refreshing and interesting portal where participants can earn lucrative amounts of BTCs out of their uniqueness and creativity.
Participants of the FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest can win up to 10BTC when they place first in this one-of-a-kind contest in BTC gambling. The mission is to show why FortuneJack is the better casino.
Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
On April 1st, no winners were announced. Nothing was announced. Someone who entered the contest shared the email the received:
I believe the reward was the same for all entries, 0.03BTC.
Since April 1st, several users have requested FJ explain what happened, they have ignored all of it, responding only posts like this one: [LINK]
ISSUE #2 - Poker at Fortune Jack
FortuneJack opened a poker room a couple months ago, which is what caught my attention.
They run micro stakes and freeroll tournaments mostly.
They also do not manually approve withdraws or enforce any traditional rules to prevent players from multi-accounting. They have created a situation where a player can easily play the same tournament from many accounts, and instantly withdraw any funds should they win.
On March 9th I first asked them if they intended to take any steps to prevent honest players from being cheated. In case they weren't, I suggested they simply inform all the players that they were not preventing players from using multiple accounts. By not saying anything, they were making any honest player a victim.
FJ responded to a few other posts, but not mine, so I asked again on March 10th. [LINK] After being ignored for a week I asked again [LINK] This time I got a reply:
Since this response, nearly a month ago, they have failed to respond and begun to simply delete posts questioning them. In the same period, however, they have renewed their signature campaign and responded to thank anyone who paid them a compliment.
FortuneJack says they will be splitting up 3 BTC among each of the video contest contestants.
The rules posted in December offered "a total of 3 BTC each.", but I think everyone is satisfied as they obviously screwed up the rules and are at least now paying out 10 times more than what was originally sent.
That being said, as of right now they haven't apologized or even admitted to any wrong doing. They basically ignored the issue hoping it would go away. When they realized it wasn't going away, they tried to cover it up with more lies. Only after being caught lying again, did they decide to pay...
Cliffs:
April 12th - I started this thread. FJ responded twice claiming they owed nothing and the contestants should be grateful FJ was generous enough to send them .03 BTC since they didn't have to.
They ignored the whole thing for the next month.
May 13th - They made post implying that users were disqualified for fraudulent views on their videos. (This was bullshit - majority of videos had under 100 views, the most was around 300)
May 17th - They made a post with mostly irrelevant info and a couple lies.
Lie #1-
Our negative relationship started with you demanding to be payed for signature campaign posts, when you were not even enrolled in it. After attaching our signature to your profile and posting on the forum, you demanded to be payed overrunning the usual procedure every community member has to pass. Since then, you spam and scam the thread.
May 17 - Brand new account claiming to be COO of Bitcoin PR Buzz makes a post claiming the "3 btc each" Press Release made in Feb was her fault because she changed it after they sent it to her.
I posted proof that just before she made this post, FortuneJack edited their own post from December, which said the same exact thing this person claimed was her mistake in Feb.
Requests to confirm she worked for a seperate company and what her relationship to FJ was have all been ignored.
May 18th - FJ claims it was Bitcoin PR Buzz' fault that the rules were posted wrong from the FJ account in December.
Pokerplayers should check out their lol evidence screenshot of tournament lobby payouts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14885728
Oh and this is unrelated but they think it's fine to advertise 4% rake and take 5% (This is actually a big deal for a serious poker player)
The rake is advertised as 4% at cash tables, but they are taking 5%. This needs to be fixed immediately.
No response to this? Should be fixed. Uncapped 5% rake for a bitcoin poker site is just stupid.
The extra 1% is distributed among the top rake makers of the network, this is a mandatory requirement of the network we are enrolled in.
Original Post Below
Fortune Jacks has maintained a reputation by appearing to be available on this forum to answer any questions and defend themselves against any accusations the way an honest business would.
In reality, they are using Bitcointalk to maintain a good reputation while consistently behaving scummy.
When a player comes to their thread with an issue , they are often bullied into silence by other users who are clearly being motivated to protect FJs reputation at all cost. If that doesn't work, FJ simply deletes the post and the thread continues to be flooded with praise from signature campaign members working on meeting their monthly quota.
I will be bringing more attention to these practices in another post (FJ is not the only site abusing bitcointalk) as I see it as a much bigger problem than the two separate issues below.
ISSUE #1 - The Youtube Video Contest
From December - April, FJ ran a contest with over 100 BTC in prizes to the winners who would be announced on April 1. This contest was heavily advertised. April first came and went, no winners were announced, it seems they ended up awarding a total of 0.28 BTC to the 8 entries and refuse to respond to any questions.
The rules for the contest:
Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
Note: Only the top 3 prizes have a minimum # of views required. Also, they ended up extending the deadline to April 1.
The prizes:
One could interpret the prize chart as 4-10 receiving 3 BTC or 4-10 sharing 3BTC however FJ clarifies that 4-10 would receive 3 BTC each.
A grand total of 10 BTC will be given to the contest’s first placer, which will be followed by a Bitcoin prize worth 7 BTC and 4 BTC for the second and third place winners. Honorary victors like the fourth to the thirtieth placers will receive a total of 3 BTC each.
On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack.
On another note, the Jack’s Favorite award will be given to the entry that has been personally handpicked by the moderators of this Bitcoin casino. Of course, the titleholder for this reward will receive special and exclusive perks courtesy of FortuneJack.
The FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest which is the latest promotion on deck the Bitcoin casino, but it is unlike the typical Christmas and holiday bonuses and promotions that require playing Bitcoin slots and other games. This FortuneJack exclusive opens a refreshing and interesting portal where participants can earn lucrative amounts of BTCs out of their uniqueness and creativity.
Participants of the FortuneJack YouTube Video Contest can win up to 10BTC when they place first in this one-of-a-kind contest in BTC gambling. The mission is to show why FortuneJack is the better casino.
Partakers must keep in mind that their video must use Fortunjack tagline "why look for fortune elsewhere?". Their entries must run 3-15 min and must have a video and audio quality not lower than 480p. Winners will be determined based on the overall views their videos have garnered all throughout the campaign, which will be from Jan 15 to Feb 29,2016.
In order to land on the first place spot, entries must generate over 15,000 views, the second place must generate at least 7,000 views and third place 10,000 views.
So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!
On April 1st, no winners were announced. Nothing was announced. Someone who entered the contest shared the email the received:
I believe the reward was the same for all entries, 0.03BTC.
Since April 1st, several users have requested FJ explain what happened, they have ignored all of it, responding only posts like this one: [LINK]
ISSUE #2 - Poker at Fortune Jack
FortuneJack opened a poker room a couple months ago, which is what caught my attention.
They run micro stakes and freeroll tournaments mostly.
They also do not manually approve withdraws or enforce any traditional rules to prevent players from multi-accounting. They have created a situation where a player can easily play the same tournament from many accounts, and instantly withdraw any funds should they win.
On March 9th I first asked them if they intended to take any steps to prevent honest players from being cheated. In case they weren't, I suggested they simply inform all the players that they were not preventing players from using multiple accounts. By not saying anything, they were making any honest player a victim.
FJ responded to a few other posts, but not mine, so I asked again on March 10th. [LINK] After being ignored for a week I asked again [LINK] This time I got a reply:
Dear user,
Thank you for the interest in the above mentioned clauses. We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. Your opinion matters, thank you for helping us improve your future visits! Have a great day.
Thank you for the interest in the above mentioned clauses. We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder. Your opinion matters, thank you for helping us improve your future visits! Have a great day.
Since this response, nearly a month ago, they have failed to respond and begun to simply delete posts questioning them. In the same period, however, they have renewed their signature campaign and responded to thank anyone who paid them a compliment.
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