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Quote from: GamingOn on April 14, 2016, 06:14:21 PM

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Yes it is actually a scam in the only real meaning to the word.
https://i.gyazo.com/cbf4f7bd565ac7d9d164d814c990f89e.png

Which is exactly what? Google it again and look a bit below a quick dumb-down "definition", can you see something like this:

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a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.

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scam meaning, definition, what is scam: an illegal plan for making money, especially

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fraud
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

So where's the gain?

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Don't know where you are getting your English lessons from?

Is this supposed to be a question? Try harder.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino).

The second part involves them allowing honest players to be cheated by dishonest players in their poker room.

Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

I guess this is true. They advertised the contest with huge prizes for months, extended the deadline by another month and then paid out only tiny prizes. But no, they aren't advertising for the contest which is now over any more.

Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that.

There are many was to define "scam" and I agree FJs actions do not satisfy all of them. They did directly benefit from this contest though. They put out an official looking press release which was picked up by many affiliate sites and blogs giving them the appearance of a site which should be trusted to. Then there's also the 10 videos which FJ jack now exclusively owns. Some of the contestants even paid to have their video hosted on other sites to get more views. All of this directly benefits FJ.

Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

They owe the contestants the prizes they promised. Period. Whether or not they are actively using submitted videos is irrelevant.

Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse.

Even if they meant to say 3 BTC divided, that would of been .3 BTC to each. They still only paid out 10% of that (.03 BTC)!

Their argument is basically, "we didn't have to pay out anyone anything if we didn't want to, be happy we gave .03 to some of them"

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Quote from: pawel7777 on April 14, 2016, 08:48:19 AM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on April 13, 2016, 02:40:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? If so, shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted above? If FortuneJack indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino). You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that. They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse.

Yes it is actually a scam in the only real meaning to the word.

Don't know where you are getting your English lessons from?
lol!

I hope more problems like this don't arise from FJ.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on April 13, 2016, 02:40:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? If so, shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted above? If FortuneJack indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

Nope. Scam accusation relates to video contest, not primary FJ activities (casino). You can't say they're advertising scam, unless you see them advertising video contest, which is now closed afaik.

It's also not a scam in classic meaning, as I don't think FJ did directly benefit on all that. They didn't steal anyone's funds, you could say they stole peoples' time and work though (assuming they're actively using submitted vids).

What I think happened here, is FJ fucked up on starting a contest without proper, clear T&C (which is way too common in BTC gambling world). I'm pretty sure they made a mistake and meant 3 BTC to be divided not 3 BTC each. But then, instead of simply saying 'sorry, we made a mistake' they went ahead with weird excuses making it worse.

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Quote from: FortuneJack on April 13, 2016, 08:43:09 AM

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Dear User,

All 10 participants have got emails and prizes from FortuneJack team. Please check the email you have registered with at fortunejack.com . If you have any questions contact us at [email protected]

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team

I have contact support but I still not received any replied yet , ( especially from tako )
I have checked my fortune jack account, still nothing !

If you have contacted the winner, please send Us the PROOF

Jesus,,, do you think I am a small child that can be fool ??

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i can confirm that i am participant of fj youtube contest and have received prize 0.03 bitcoin , thankyou for this fj.
but i disappointed on fj email replies say that None of the participants matched the requirements for the video Sad

and participant would recieve well-deserved reward?, can't see the rules like this before. all i can see are 4th-10th would receive 3btc in split prize.
also they said "It was mentioned that the video must be voiced in English" the thing that make some videos claimed as not qualifed. can anyone refer me to the rules that mentioning "video must be voiced in English"

0.03 well-deserved prize for a months work? very appreciated it fj for contest with 27btc prize promised.

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Quote from: FortuneJack on April 13, 2016, 09:25:27 AM

All participants were contacted individually via email and informed about contest results.

Is this the email you are referring to?

This email only explains why you were unable to award the 1st 2nd or 3rd prize.

However, there is clearly no minimum number of views required for 4th-30th place.

There is also no mention that 4th - 30th place prizes would not be given unless 3 players were able to satisfy the requirements for 1st - 3rd place. This is what you said:

Quote from: FortuneJack on April 13, 2016, 09:25:27 AM

About your poker issue we are still working on it with our partners. Please be patient. We will definitely get back to you as we NEVER leave our customers without attention.

Uhh, it's been 34 days since I first asked you to clarify your stance on multi accounting and allowing instant cashouts. The only response was 27 days ago when you told me I've gotten is when you told me:

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We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer. You do not have to reiterate it with that frequency as the reminder.

I can only imagine if these players were cheating you out of your money, rather than other players, you would consider the issue more urgent. As a result, the only victims will be the players who are not taking advantage of the lack of security.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 13, 2016, 09:09:54 AM

Quote from: FortuneJack on April 13, 2016, 08:48:07 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Dear User,

In spite of the fact that none of the videos met the required criteria, but we rewarded our participants anyway. Video # 1 was rewarded with Jack's Favorite prize and other participants also got small rewards. If you have any further questions we are ready to discuss them by email [email protected].

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

Did you inform the users individually why they were disqualified?

Why did you ignore all the users who were asking for information on the contest over the past 13 days?

How do you explain these comments, if not a single entry met the required criteria?

Quote from: FortuneJack on December 16, 2015, 07:54:02 AM

So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made.

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 18, 2016, 08:52:59 AM

Dear Video Contest Participants,

We would like to thank you for all your amazing videos that you managed to create for our video contest. Your creativity, your effort goes beyond the limit. Our team is delighted to see you trying to put your all understanding about FortuneJack and show the advantages to the public of becoming our user. We have to admit, you managed to gather and come up with the fabulous outcome.

Why have you not responded to my poker related question? I first asked on March 10th, a week later you told me:

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We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer.

Today is April 13th, and you are deleting the questions from your thread which are still unanswered.

Dear User,

All participants were contacted individually via email and informed about contest results. About your poker issue we are still working on it with our partners. Please be patient. We will definitely get back to you as we NEVER leave our customers without attention.

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

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Quote from: FortuneJack on April 13, 2016, 08:48:07 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Dear User,

In spite of the fact that none of the videos met the required criteria, but we rewarded our participants anyway. Video # 1 was rewarded with Jack's Favorite prize and other participants also got small rewards. If you have any further questions we are ready to discuss them by email [email protected].

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

Did you inform the users individually why they were disqualified?

Why did you ignore all the users who were asking for information on the contest over the past 13 days?

How do you explain these comments, if not a single entry met the required criteria?

Quote from: FortuneJack on December 16, 2015, 07:54:02 AM

So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made.

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 18, 2016, 08:52:59 AM

Dear Video Contest Participants,

We would like to thank you for all your amazing videos that you managed to create for our video contest. Your creativity, your effort goes beyond the limit. Our team is delighted to see you trying to put your all understanding about FortuneJack and show the advantages to the public of becoming our user. We have to admit, you managed to gather and come up with the fabulous outcome.

Why have you not responded to my poker related question? I first asked on March 10th, a week later you told me:

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We read your message, we are aware of that and we will provide you with the answer.

Today is April 13th, and you are deleting the questions from your thread which are still unanswered.

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Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Dear User,

In spite of the fact that none of the videos met the required criteria, but we rewarded our participants anyway. Video # 1 was rewarded with Jack's Favorite prize and other participants also got small rewards. If you have any further questions we are ready to discuss them by email [email protected].

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team.

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Quote from: s1ng on April 12, 2016, 06:00:17 AM

yeah .... I just asked the support and they said that Fortune Jack already rewarded all contestant

Based on https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb6_CXwPwD5UgYC6p25dTcjEnJ3uw7l2p there are 11 videos
1 was being made by fortune jack , so there only 10 contestant that submitted the video
That was included my video as well !

They said that they will contact the winner by email but I NEVER RECEIVED ANY SINGLE EMAIL YET FROM FORTUNE JACK

Fortune Jack is professional site, but with this incident , it made FJ become unprofessional site !
Prove me wrong please !

Dear User,

All 10 participants have got emails and prizes from FortuneJack team. Please check the email you have registered with at fortunejack.com . If you have any questions contact us at [email protected]

Thank you

Regards

FortuneJack Team

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Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

I can't say for sure how many entries there were, but agree with the rest of your post. For the record, I did not enter this contest and have not spent much time on the site at all. I just began following the thread about two months ago when they launched poker and figured if I didn't speak up this would probably be buried.

They also confirmed in their YouTube contest thread that they were receiving quality entries, although it's very possible they were just saying that at the time I suppose:

Quote from: FortuneJack on December 16, 2015, 07:54:02 AM

So far, the participants of the contest have been very active and submitting videos to Fortunejack. The process is very dynamic and videos look very creative and well-made. You can be even better if you make a little effort and submit your version showing your vision, your ideas about FortuneJack. Please be more active, submit your video and become the winner who will be awarded with 10 BTC!!!

Quote from: FortuneJack on January 18, 2016, 08:52:59 AM

Dear Video Contest Participants,

We would like to thank you for all your amazing videos that you managed to create for our video contest. Your creativity, your effort goes beyond the limit. Our team is delighted to see you trying to put your all understanding about FortuneJack and show the advantages to the public of becoming our user. We have to admit, you managed to gather and come up with the fabulous outcome.

FJ is online now, just got a few of these in my inbox:

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on April 13, 2016, 03:05:21 AM

Mitchell, do you think it would be appropriate to make thread in Meta about the way FJ and Betcoin.ag are (imo) abusing signature campaigns? Or reputation? Or scam accusation? I dont know.

Service discussion(self-explainable I hope) is a good place to post , I believe. Can't say I know of any reasons this is connected to the forum directly, to post in meta

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Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:42:40 AM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on April 13, 2016, 02:40:27 AM

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

No, harassing signature campaign participants won't solve anything. I've seen it happen with the DiceBitco.in scam and it only causes people to be angry and annoyed at both sides.

You could send them a friendly message telling them about this scam accusations, but I won't stand for harassment.

I agree that giving the sig campaign members a hard time as a whole won't accomplish anything.

However, with both Betcoin.ag and FortuneJack, their signature campaigns are the only reason they are able to to maintain the appearance as if everything is great.

It's a whole lot easier to ignore the 1 or 2 guys asking "hey, where's our money" when you have 8 or 9 people posting simple questions followed up with compliments.

Then there are the campaign members who are so eager to please in hopes of a "treat" they will lie or try to bully any who criticize their site.

I suppose I'm getting off topic as this thread is about specific issues with Fortune Jack.

Mitchell, do you think it would be appropriate to make thread in Meta about the way FJ and Betcoin.ag are (imo) abusing signature campaigns? Or reputation? Or scam accusation? I dont know.

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Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:42:40 AM

You could send them a friendly message telling them about this scam accusations, but I won't stand for harassment.

That's very kind.Anyhow let's wait for the owner to reply here.I remember one of the guys around tried really hard for that youtube contest ,he was paying people to share the video on social networks.Never knew he ended up with 0.03.

Quote from: mexxer-2 on April 13, 2016, 02:48:50 AM

A post in FJ sig campaign thread should be enough, let the participants figure out if they want to advertise a scam(although I don't think any would leave)

Look,who's back Cheesy

They don't have any spots open since months now .The participants definitely won't leave or stop advertising the campaign.The youtube contestants deserve to get paid though.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on April 13, 2016, 02:40:27 AM

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

A post in FJ sig campaign thread should be enough, let the participants figure out if they want to advertise a scam(although I don't think any would leave)

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on April 13, 2016, 02:40:27 AM

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

No, harassing signature campaign participants won't solve anything. I've seen it happen with the DiceBitco.in scam and it only causes people to be angry and annoyed at both sides.

You could send them a friendly message telling them about this scam accusations, but I won't stand for harassment.

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Quote from: Mitchell on April 13, 2016, 02:37:35 AM

So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? If so, shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted above? If FortuneJack indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

Does that mean their "Campaigners" are advertising a scam ?Technically yes,if so,shouldn't it be brought to halt until the issue is resolved ?

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So, to be clear, 10 video's were made, but none of them were able to claim the first three prices (10, 7 and 4 BTC), correct? That is fine if they indeed didn't generate the views required, but shouldn't they (and the other 7 video's) be credited 3BTC each according to the picture posted by FJ itself? If FJ indeed only paid each participants 0.03BTC (if they paid at all) then that's a huge breach of contract. I'll will give them a negative rating till this issue is dealt with.

I've also archived their YouTube contest thread: https://archive.is/Vzzop

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yeah .... I just asked the support and they said that Fortune Jack already rewarded all contestant

Based on https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb6_CXwPwD5UgYC6p25dTcjEnJ3uw7l2p there are 11 videos
1 was being made by fortune jack , so there only 10 contestant that submitted the video
That was included my video as well !

They said that they will contact the winner by email but I NEVER RECEIVED ANY SINGLE EMAIL YET FROM FORTUNE JACK

Fortune Jack is professional site, but with this incident , it made FJ become unprofessional site !
Prove me wrong please !

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