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legendary
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June 04, 2018, 09:17:48 AM
@af_newbie

Push a large piece of Styrofoam into the ocean, hold it down. You can feel the water pressure pushing it up!

Now get a water pressure meter and take a reading below the piece of submerged Styrofoam and measure the pressure. Do you see how obscene this logic and argument is trying to disprove my claim? I claim displaced air is pushing objects down and you tell me go take an air pressure reading above the object to prove it. Well it's the same deal as with trying to measure the pressure pushing the submerged Styrofoam up by putting a pressure meter below it; it doesn't work that way.

You literally have no argument.

You are conveniently forgetting that buoyancy is only observable when gravity is present.  The pressure difference between the top of the object and the bottom is due to gravity.  That pressure difference is the cause of the buoyancy upward force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

You think the cause of the pressure is the electric field not the gravity, I have shown you that it cannot possibly be the electric field.

You are twisting scientific principles, using them incorrectly because you do not understand the fundamentals.



You have shown nothing and twisted my assertions. I on the other hand have used experiments already on the books to prove empirically that a) special relativity is not consistent with experiment [Sagnac: Dufour & Prunier] b), that experiment is consistent with an aether [Sagnac] and c), that the Earth is motionless [Michelson & Morley].

My assertions are testable, repeatable and well documented [see above] while yours uses faulty logic [i.e. pressure readings with a meter next to an object], theory that isn't supported by experimental evidence [i.e. special relativity] and claims backed by special relativity [i.e. no aether and field lines that aren't "real"].

Gravity as an unproven theory after all these years exists solely to support heliocentrism and a spinning globe. I can show that the Earth is motionless with experiments already on the books, such as M&M and these results are confirmed by Airy's failure to detect any motion. All arguments that invoke special relativity i.e. no aether and stellar aberration are put to rest by Dufour & Prunier.

The electric field of the Earth is a testable and measurable thing and, it supports the idea of a flat and motionless Earth as well as an alternative and expanded mechanism for buoyancy that, accounts for motion in two directions; it's now also in compliance with Newton's (may he rot in hell) 3rd Law when applied to the displacement by denser than air objects.

Atmospheric electric field intensity can be 5 times lower during sunrise, objects would be flying off to space every morning.  During thunderstorms objects would weigh 10 to 20 times more, you would see major damage, all animals and people would die wherever there is a thunderstorm.

You really need to start measuring the E field before you open your mouth on this subject.

E field is not the only problem in your fantasy.

The charges on the dome and the ground would have to gradually decrease as you move away from the center of your disk.  Otherwise the same object would weigh less in Canada than in New Zealand.  What magic would keep the nonuniform, slowly descreasing charge distribution?

Again any lightning would increase the charges locally, and some other magic would have to fix the charge distribution for the dome model to predict the correct weights.

Now to the fun part, can you show me  your math how did you derive how much you weigh using your model based on 100 V/m E field and your directional air pressure?

Show your math or be quiet forever.





You arguments twist my assertions; I don't claim that the electric field is pushing objects down directly. I claim that the electric field is polarizing the atmosphere and that the atmosphere is pushing things down. It becomes clear that you're fielding a dishonest argument when you describe my model in an attempt to goad me into doing a lot of useless work that would just be ignored for the most part.

All the experiments already on the books that I've listed i.e. M&M, Sagnac, D&P, Airy etc.. are all described mathematically, see for yourself.

You don't have any rational arguments here, you're just trying to win an argument truth be damned; this isn't science.
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June 04, 2018, 06:20:20 AM
Planet Earth is a geoid, period!
Useless thread, lock it.
newbie
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June 04, 2018, 05:46:11 AM
I learn from Physics at school that the earth is not flat. Although I didn't understand any of the holy complicated physical formula. Most of the time I did not understand the formula which are said to be true. So OK I have to believe it's true.
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June 04, 2018, 05:08:04 AM
I don’t understand how people don’t question this more . The fact that there has been so many tests measuring the curvature of the earth and it always comes back flat or not even close to what it would be if we were on a ball.

Because of the school system, TV and magazines etc.

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newbie
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June 04, 2018, 12:13:14 AM
I don’t understand how people don’t question this more . The fact that there has been so many tests measuring the curvature of the earth and it always comes back flat or not even close to what it would be if we were on a ball.
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legendary
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June 03, 2018, 11:15:34 PM
Show your math or be quiet forever.

 Cheesy

Since when have brainwashed people ever kept quiet?  Their cult will only survive if they go out and spread their lies.
legendary
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June 03, 2018, 07:50:56 PM
@af_newbie

Push a large piece of Styrofoam into the ocean, hold it down. You can feel the water pressure pushing it up!

Now get a water pressure meter and take a reading below the piece of submerged Styrofoam and measure the pressure. Do you see how obscene this logic and argument is trying to disprove my claim? I claim displaced air is pushing objects down and you tell me go take an air pressure reading above the object to prove it. Well it's the same deal as with trying to measure the pressure pushing the submerged Styrofoam up by putting a pressure meter below it; it doesn't work that way.

You literally have no argument.

You are conveniently forgetting that buoyancy is only observable when gravity is present.  The pressure difference between the top of the object and the bottom is due to gravity.  That pressure difference is the cause of the buoyancy upward force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

You think the cause of the pressure is the electric field not the gravity, I have shown you that it cannot possibly be the electric field.

You are twisting scientific principles, using them incorrectly because you do not understand the fundamentals.



You have shown nothing and twisted my assertions. I on the other hand have used experiments already on the books to prove empirically that a) special relativity is not consistent with experiment [Sagnac: Dufour & Prunier] b), that experiment is consistent with an aether [Sagnac] and c), that the Earth is motionless [Michelson & Morley].

My assertions are testable, repeatable and well documented [see above] while yours uses faulty logic [i.e. pressure readings with a meter next to an object], theory that isn't supported by experimental evidence [i.e. special relativity] and claims backed by special relativity [i.e. no aether and field lines that aren't "real"].

Gravity as an unproven theory after all these years exists solely to support heliocentrism and a spinning globe. I can show that the Earth is motionless with experiments already on the books, such as M&M and these results are confirmed by Airy's failure to detect any motion. All arguments that invoke special relativity i.e. no aether and stellar aberration are put to rest by Dufour & Prunier.

The electric field of the Earth is a testable and measurable thing and, it supports the idea of a flat and motionless Earth as well as an alternative and expanded mechanism for buoyancy that, accounts for motion in two directions. It's now also in compliance with Newton's (may he rot in hell) 3rd Law when applied to the displacement by denser than air objects.
newbie
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June 03, 2018, 07:25:15 PM
why flat earth ? i'm trianggle earth
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June 03, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
@af_newbie

I'll mix and mach my theoretical framework as I please so long as it's descriptive of what going on. QM is already a Frankenstein's monster.
 
Field lines are in fact real; they're flows of aether that form solenoidal tubes; electromagnetics is fluid dynamics. The aetherless physics the TPTB push is provably wrong; special relativity has been proven to be not consistent with experimental evidence. All particles have a field or potential field that's very much real.

Also just look at what you're saying there's a field but it's nothing; get your head screwed on straight you can't have something (a field) then claim it's nothing. Your comments are indicative of a brainwashed child with it's head screwed on backwards, you must be a woman!



Edit:

Neutral particles have a toroidal dipole and an associated field.

You have lost your mind.
I don't really think he can lose something he never had.

I'm still waiting for this lazy flekko-lek to show me the curved water of lake Balaton.

Where is the footage, fleko-paprika boy?





legendary
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June 03, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
@af_newbie

Push a large piece of Styrofoam into the ocean, hold it down. You can feel the water pressure pushing it up!

Now get a water pressure meter and take a reading below the piece of submerged Styrofoam and measure the pressure. Do you see how obscene this logic and argument is trying to disprove my claim? I claim displaced air is pushing objects down and you tell me go take an air pressure reading above the object to prove it. Well it's the same deal as with trying to measure the pressure pushing the submerged Styrofoam up by putting a pressure meter below it; it doesn't work that way.

You literally have no argument.
legendary
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June 03, 2018, 05:31:28 PM
@af_newbie

"gases exert an upward force"

That "upward force" by the "gases", would you describe the "force" as a pressure and the "gases" as air?
legendary
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June 03, 2018, 03:04:49 PM
@af_newbie

I notice you keep avoiding my point about objects that are less dense than air, what pushes the helium balloon up?



legendary
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June 03, 2018, 02:59:50 PM
Earth is flat.
I once went off the edge and fell off. Im glad that huge turtle took Me and threw back somehere in middle of Africa.



The giant turtle along with the elephants have been dead for a long time now, their fossilized remains are many thousands of years old by now. Also the dome not to mention a giant wall of ice in Antarctica keeps most people from falling off.
newbie
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June 03, 2018, 02:46:24 PM
The earth is actually round or you can call it a sphere but having a high radius  makes it look flat. Thats all.
newbie
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June 03, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
The earth is round. No need to speculate on this
legendary
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June 03, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
^^^ You claim no aether and no "real" field lines à la special relativity and I provide documented and witnessed empirical proof à la Dufour & Prunier that special relativity is not consistent with experimental evidence à la The Sagnac Effect.

It's an organized madness.

How is it not consistent with the sagnac experiment exactly? https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/184734/why-doesn-t-the-sagnac-effect-disprove-relativity

You also never answered this: ''PS. Did you figure out why you are not 10 times heavier during lightning or 5 times lighter during sunrise?  The fact that the atmospheric electric field changes based on the atmospheric conditions should be enough proof for you to invalidate your own theory.''


1. The argument was that due to a rotating system the Sagnac effect couldn't be applied to Special Relativity and that the results were therefore inconclusive. However Dufour & Prunier's replication of Sagnac's experiment took the SR linear framework into account and the measurements taken were not consistent with its predictions.

2. That's because the question is posing a strawman argument, I believe I lodged a complaint about strawmaning my arguments in the other thread and firmly reinstated that it's pressure from the atmosphere pushing you down; sunrise doesn't effect the amount of air on top of your head. The electric field between the dome and the ground is the reason why the direction you're pushed is up or down depending on density relative to the atmosphere and the pressure is not evenly distributed.

To make an analogy here, if I push on a rotating gyroscope vs. a non-rotating gyroscope they will respond very differently; one gyroscope is polarized while one is not. The atmosphere in comparison is polarized by the dome's electric field and that causes how it responds to being displaced to change in a similar manner.

Yet the air pressure value remains the same all around us. Lol. The density of the object does not influence the air pressure and the electric field outside of the object.

Just buy yourself a $200 EMF meter and measure the E field intensity at different times and locations and weigh your test objects in those locations.

This will put your fantasy to rest. The weights will stay the same.

Like I said before you have lost your mind.

Go tell it to your ward nurse that Newton, Einstein and all scientists after them were all wrong but you are right.

You are spewing nonsense to unsuspected, uneducated, guillable future members of your cult. Just like all other religious folks are doing.

You are refusing to accept reality.  Go measure the electric field and air pressure see what happens.



So you're going to stick with your misunderstanding about how displacement causes a change in air pressure in regards to an object? You've changed my argument into stawman; this is not my argument! Go get your atmospheric pressure meter and hold it under a helium balloon. Do you not see your fallacy here, how is the external meter measuring the balloons displacement? Explain to me what force is pushing the balloon up if it's not air pressure?

Then you go on to tell me I've lost my mind because I have documented evidence that special relativity is not consistent with experimental evidence and you still pretend that it's still correct. You're the one who's refusing to accept reality and insists on being a cocksucker, you just love all those big black Jewish lies don't you!



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June 03, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
^^^ You claim no aether and no "real" field lines à la special relativity and I provide documented and witnessed empirical proof à la Dufour & Prunier that special relativity is not consistent with experimental evidence à la The Sagnac Effect.

It's an organized madness.

How is it not consistent with the sagnac experiment exactly? https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/184734/why-doesn-t-the-sagnac-effect-disprove-relativity

You also never answered this: ''PS. Did you figure out why you are not 10 times heavier during lightning or 5 times lighter during sunrise?  The fact that the atmospheric electric field changes based on the atmospheric conditions should be enough proof for you to invalidate your own theory.''


1. The argument was that due to a rotating system the Sagnac effect couldn't be applied to Special Relativity and that the results were therefore inconclusive. However Dufour & Prunier's replication of Sagnac's experiment took the SR linear framework into account and the measurements taken were not consistent with its predictions.

2. That's because the question is posing a strawman argument, I believe I lodged a complaint about strawmaning my arguments in the other thread and firmly reinstated that it's pressure from the atmosphere pushing you down; sunrise doesn't effect the amount of air on top of your head. The electric field between the dome and the ground is the reason why the direction you're pushed is up or down depending on density relative to the atmosphere and the pressure is not evenly distributed.

To make an analogy here, if I push on a rotating gyroscope vs. a non-rotating gyroscope they will respond very differently; one gyroscope is polarized while one is not. The atmosphere in comparison is polarized by the dome's electric field and that causes how it responds to being displaced to change in a similar manner.

2. Isn't the dome at the edges closer to you from a side than the top or equally further away? Considering it's a dome, the center would be the furthest and close to the edges the closest, is there a difference in how you are pushed down if you are at the center of the earth than if you are close to an edge?

Shame on you for evoking Wakeman's Journey to the Center of the Earth and Yes' Close to the Edge ...

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June 03, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
Earth is flat.
I once went off the edge and fell off. Im glad that huge turtle took Me and threw back somehere in middle of Africa.
legendary
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June 03, 2018, 01:30:03 PM
How as an individual can I know if the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc? What experiment can I do that doesn't involve trusting information from a 3rd party that would prove what the geometry really is?

https://i.imgur.com/O8IpMmi.jpg

Go up to 35,000 Ft on a flight around the world and you can see for yourself it's NOT flat

The passenger windows on commercial airlines are curved and cause barrel distortion in the image a passenger sees. The pilot has flat plane windows and he sees a perfectly flat horizon.
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June 03, 2018, 11:42:26 AM
How as an individual can I know if the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc? What experiment can I do that doesn't involve trusting information from a 3rd party that would prove what the geometry really is?

https://i.imgur.com/O8IpMmi.jpg

Go up to 35,000 Ft on a flight around the world and you can see for yourself it's NOT flat
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