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Quote from: fullhdpixel on March 17, 2019, 03:26:51 PM

I think finding some issues and claiming its scam are totally different stuff. I mean even if you are fortunejack of course there could be some bugs, glitches, some problems etc etc, you can find an issue in any place, for example primedice is the oldest and most known one out there and they still have bug bounty on their games at stake and some find some bugs there as well. Just because there are "issues" in the website doesn't mean its automatically a scam.

Fortunejack probably has a bit of issues time to time, developer problems and with enough debugging it could be solved, aside from that I do not think they are scam at all, fortunejack is one of the most trusted and loved places on earth and they are already making insane amount of profit already so they do not need a reason to scam people anyway.

Guys, you tell here about your positive experience with withdrawals when you won something and you have no questions to the casino. But the concern here is the fairness of the casino. FJ doesn't want to provide the data that was absolutely legitimately requested by the player and this data is normally provided by all the other casinos. This data can reveal something or why does FJ ignore this request?

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I think finding some issues and claiming its scam are totally different stuff. I mean even if you are fortunejack of course there could be some bugs, glitches, some problems etc etc, you can find an issue in any place, for example primedice is the oldest and most known one out there and they still have bug bounty on their games at stake and some find some bugs there as well. Just because there are "issues" in the website doesn't mean its automatically a scam.

Fortunejack probably has a bit of issues time to time, developer problems and with enough debugging it could be solved, aside from that I do not think they are scam at all, fortunejack is one of the most trusted and loved places on earth and they are already making insane amount of profit already so they do not need a reason to scam people anyway.

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Quote from: Apriand on March 17, 2019, 08:24:00 AM

From my experience since 2017, Fortunejack is legit site i never have a problem with my deposit and withdrawal. And today i just made 0.005 btc from faucet in dice (yes, its just small amount) and try to withdraw 0.0045 its come just in minutes.
Never think in my mind, fortunejack wil become scam site.

Hey Fortunejack is a legit site there’s no doubt about it, there’re two kind of posts that users post here one who’s received payments late, and other one is where user is upset after loosing. In the case of former posts I have seen they’re always paid up, if it’s a huge amount sometimes it gets delayed but in the end they clear it. While for the latter they cannot do anything about it, and those posters tend to label FJ as a a scam site but people are smart they know whose reviews they need to trust.

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From my experience since 2017, Fortunejack is legit site i never have a problem with my deposit and withdrawal. And today i just made 0.005 btc from faucet in dice (yes, its just small amount) and try to withdraw 0.0045 its come just in minutes.
Never think in my mind, fortunejack wil become scam site.

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Quote from: MakeMoneyBtc on March 16, 2019, 02:47:18 PM

If FortuneJack would have been a scam they would have disappeared from the market a long time ago because they already made a lot of money with their casino. There will always exist persons that have different problems with casinos and say it is a scam but that's normal because it's impossible to see a perfect casino only with positive reviews.

Good can turn to bad, trusted sites can turn to scam sites.
All things can happen in real life, but for Fortune Jack, I think that there is very low probabilty that the site turned into scam one.\
Nothing is impossible, I meant, but the opportunity to see FJ turns into scam site is so small.
I even can not envision that how the site can become a scam one. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: MakeMoneyBtc on March 16, 2019, 02:47:18 PM

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on March 14, 2019, 06:33:33 AM

In a word, I would like to say "If Fortune Jack turned to scam, it is something like a big bag in new era of crypto, one of the worst since the Mt. Gox years ago".
It's unrealistic to happen for such long-aged and high-trusted casino, like Fortune Jack.
Even when you don't have your own experience with the site, let's simply look at who participated in its signature campaign.
Most of them got high trust points, and the one makes sense, right?
It's unbelievable when high trusted users promoted scam projects. Not only one, but also bunches of high trusted users.
It's unreasonable to say FJ is scam.

If FortuneJack would have been a scam they would have disappeared from the market a long time ago because they already made a lot of money with their casino. There will always exist persons that have different problems with casinos and say it is a scam but that's normal because it's impossible to see a perfect casino only with positive reviews.

The easy way to defend reputation is just giving the requested full history. Not providing this history for a long time with no explanation is very suspicious. The casino may have been always a scam, but no one had a chance to check it. As I have already mentioned the Curacao license doesn't give us any guarantees of trustworthy.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on March 14, 2019, 06:33:33 AM

In a word, I would like to say "If Fortune Jack turned to scam, it is something like a big bag in new era of crypto, one of the worst since the Mt. Gox years ago".
It's unrealistic to happen for such long-aged and high-trusted casino, like Fortune Jack.
Even when you don't have your own experience with the site, let's simply look at who participated in its signature campaign.
Most of them got high trust points, and the one makes sense, right?
It's unbelievable when high trusted users promoted scam projects. Not only one, but also bunches of high trusted users.
It's unreasonable to say FJ is scam.

If FortuneJack would have been a scam they would have disappeared from the market a long time ago because they already made a lot of money with their casino. There will always exist persons that have different problems with casinos and say it is a scam but that's normal because it's impossible to see a perfect casino only with positive reviews.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on March 14, 2019, 06:33:33 AM

In a word, I would like to say "If Fortune Jack turned to scam, it is something like a big bag in new era of crypto, one of the worst since the Mt. Gox years ago".
It's unrealistic to happen for such long-aged and high-trusted casino, like Fortune Jack.
Even when you don't have your own experience with the site, let's simply look at who participated in its signature campaign.
Most of them got high trust points, and the one makes sense, right?
It's unbelievable when high trusted users promoted scam projects. Not only one, but also bunches of high trusted users.
It's unreasonable to say FJ is scam.

I completely understand your position, but please check this thread: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/fortunejack-casino-dice-scam-with-proof
If they have nothing to hide, why would FJ representative ignore the question about providing the full history? That should be very easy for the company and would have solved the issue if FJ is really legit. What FJ does is just avoiding the discussion and sending some shills here to do the dirty job for them instead of making a clear official response with the requested data.

The trust points on the profiles which participate in the signature campaign mean that FJ pays a lot for having these signatures, nothing more.

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Quote from: Lucky7btc on February 26, 2019, 04:38:50 PM

Quote from: upsidedown75 on February 26, 2019, 12:01:41 PM

It is insane that people think just 2000 bets would somehow "show the real odds in fortunejack" while not realizing there is a luck chance involved in shorter amount of bets so you would need to play thousands of hands to make it possible to determine the reality, maybe even a million.

You can't just gamble 2 thousand times and expect that everything will be exactly the same, there are tough luck times and there are lucky times, its all about the timing, if you want the house edge to get into affect you would have to look at so much more bets that in the end you should be tired even if its autobet. Companies with high cpu power do auto betting for hundreds of millions of times in order to determine if a casino is legit or not for white hack security purposes, your 2 thousand is funny compared to that.

The man said FJ would NOT give him his complete history but only 2000. So based on the 2000 he was able to obtain its shows that the game is indeed rigged.

I'm just the man you mentioned. FJ refused to give me my complete history without any reason. I had 181 thousand rolls in fact. the lastest are just the sample of the 181 thousand rolls. What's more, similar things happened through out the 181k rolls, which included the 2000 ones of course, that the chance for a losing streak happening when you keep doubling the bets to a rather high value. But long losing streaks seldom happen on bets being kept low. So dont' say my conclusion is based on 2000 rolls! It's a fact throught out 181k rolls!

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In a word, I would like to say "If Fortune Jack turned to scam, it is something like a big bag in new era of crypto, one of the worst since the Mt. Gox years ago".
It's unrealistic to happen for such long-aged and high-trusted casino, like Fortune Jack.
Even when you don't have your own experience with the site, let's simply look at who participated in its signature campaign.
Most of them got high trust points, and the one makes sense, right?
It's unbelievable when high trusted users promoted scam projects. Not only one, but also bunches of high trusted users.
It's unreasonable to say FJ is scam.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on March 13, 2019, 10:18:03 AM

The problem here is that people who yell "scam" is actually not providing proof that is technical what so ever.

If you feel like you are scammed than you need to do more than just "in 2000 bets" type of calculations to prove that fortunejack is a scam, I mean its been said before a million times, 2000 bets is a very very very small sample size when you make these kinds of accusations, there is really no hard concrete proof fortunejack scammed anyone here yet you go around yelling you got scammed.

Do you really think there other people who got scammed by fortunejack too? Well, then find those people and provide proof of them as well, not "technically if these 2000 bets are like this they do it all the time", no I mean "here is the seed here is the result, concrete proof of scam" type of proofs. Otherwise this is just an assumption and nothing else.

SMH, if you want to continue on supporting FJ then go ahead. FJ is a roguish casino. Anyone who plays here deserves whatever faith they receive.

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The problem here is that people who yell "scam" is actually not providing proof that is technical what so ever.

If you feel like you are scammed than you need to do more than just "in 2000 bets" type of calculations to prove that fortunejack is a scam, I mean its been said before a million times, 2000 bets is a very very very small sample size when you make these kinds of accusations, there is really no hard concrete proof fortunejack scammed anyone here yet you go around yelling you got scammed.

Do you really think there other people who got scammed by fortunejack too? Well, then find those people and provide proof of them as well, not "technically if these 2000 bets are like this they do it all the time", no I mean "here is the seed here is the result, concrete proof of scam" type of proofs. Otherwise this is just an assumption and nothing else.

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Quote from: hd49728 on March 10, 2019, 10:15:05 PM

Quote from: BTCevo on March 10, 2019, 06:17:05 PM

So for anyone who feel scammed, please bare with it for a while and wait FJ to clear this mess

With the good trusted site like FJ, I thought recently scam accusations on FJ are FUDs, nothing more than FUDs.
Of course, in the meantime we should stay calm and should not argue with fudsters too much.
It will partially unintentionally help them to spread their FUDs faster.

We should act smartly by keep ignoring those FUDs.

Like I said before that I thought that before because they handling thinga really bad last time but they keep on growing and try to make their site better so I starting to believe them until this day so it is pointless thing to spread some FUD around like you said

Quote from: jsteFF on March 11, 2019, 01:29:34 AM

Great attitude until the one who got scammed is you.

Who want got scammed? I do not think anyone will this thing occur but the problem is they do not know how their provider cancelled the winning. For slot games they do not have the privileges to change things here. They should wait their reply

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Quote from: hd49728 on March 10, 2019, 10:15:05 PM

Quote from: BTCevo on March 10, 2019, 06:17:05 PM

So for anyone who feel scammed, please bare with it for a while and wait FJ to clear this mess

With the good trusted site like FJ, I thought recently scam accusations on FJ are FUDs, nothing more than FUDs.
Of course, in the meantime we should stay calm and should not argue with fudsters too much.
It will partially unintentionally help them to spread their FUDs faster.

We should act smartly by keep ignoring those FUDs.

Great attitude until the one who got scammed is you.

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Quote from: BTCevo on March 10, 2019, 06:17:05 PM

So for anyone who feel scammed, please bare with it for a while and wait FJ to clear this mess

With the good trusted site like FJ, I thought recently scam accusations on FJ are FUDs, nothing more than FUDs.
Of course, in the meantime we should stay calm and should not argue with fudsters too much.
It will partially unintentionally help them to spread their FUDs faster.

We should act smartly by keep ignoring those FUDs.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on March 09, 2019, 01:07:09 PM

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There is wave of attacks to FortuneJack with its affiliation rate.
In my opinion, the casino is one of the biggest, most trusted, and has long history.
I don't think they scam at any odds.
There are probably misleading information or something wrong with communication channel to community.
Let's wait for official answers from FortuneJack, everyone.

Hey this happens to casinos when they start getting bigger, many gamblers think by name shaming them they can recover their losses as the casino will not like it’s reputation to be damaged. I don’t think Fortune Jack are a scam I have seen here people have won big amounts and they have got paid by Fortune Jack. However if people feel they have a reasonable proof against any site here, then they should open a thread in scam accusation and post all proof there for people to see.

The point is, there is not being decided yet about how their scam things. FJ still waiting for their game provider to respond on their game as well, so we should really wait for them to get it done. But people here can't even wait to get the results from FJ and provider then this will be never end. If I can say, last time I have this problem as well and used to called them a scam site but after period time when I saw how they improve their support system then I stop calling them a scam site again.

So for anyone who feel scammed, please bare with it for a while and wait FJ to clear this mess

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Quote from: Kiritsugu on February 25, 2019, 03:47:25 PM

Quote from: Lucky7btc on February 24, 2019, 06:13:22 AM

Quote from: fasdorcas on February 22, 2019, 01:57:07 PM

Did they give you any reason why it took 4 days to get your money ? I had the same issue with somewhere else as well and I feel like this late withdrawals are getting more common. I don't think any casino has given us a reason why but it has been constantly happening for the past 2-3 weeks so far, they always delay their withdrawals, not just here don't get me wrong, among many many casinos and for each amount, not just small or big ones.

They are random as well, some people get it in 30 minutes but some people get it in 2 days. Considering this is getting more common in all of casino and has no pattern at all, I kinda can't stop wondering what happened a month ago that made all casinos randomly select few withdrawals to delay. I don't the reason but I would love to hear it.

People just don't listen when I try to tell them FJ is a rigged and rogued casino. But they are so happy to just continue to troll for them. Here is a complaint just been filed by someone who says they have proof their dice game is rigged!

I used to submitted a complaint about Fortunejack dice scam, you told me I don't have enough data to prove it, now I have it. But Fortunejack team only sent me my lastest 2000 rolls, and refused to provided more. As a sample, I count and ananysis the data and found the issue.
The chart in this email shows clearly that the higher you bet, the higher the chance you lose.
To put it another way, your bet amount will influence the roll.
I'll list some data here: I played with payout 1.5-1.6, win chance 66-61.87%. The overall win chance of my lastest 2000 rolls is 65.3%, well, this is fine. But the win chance decrease while the bet amount is doubled:
Bet amount 0.001, win chance 65.5% (>65.3%)
Bet amount 0.002, win chance 66.8% (>65.3%),
---here is where the trick comes in---
Bet amount 0.004, win chance 65.0% (<65.3%),
Bet amount 0.008, win chance 63.4% (<65.3%),
Bet amount 0.032, win chance 64.3% (<65.3%),
Bet amount 0.064, win chance 55.6% (<65.3%).
See? The higher the bet, the lower the win chance!
We can see clearly the trend from 2000 rolls, the trend will be more clearer if the Fortunejack team can provide all my history.
If you insist the data is not enough, the Fortunejack should be obliged to provide enough data against my proof and conclusion.

But yet FJ refuses to provide this player with the remaining data that they asked for to further prove his case, and they also refused to even comment on his complaint (thus far)

That's because you're both idiots. That isn't "proof", is an obscure data chunk that just happens to loosely follow his uninformed hypothesis. That's not how roll outcome generation works. The only things used to calculate roll outcomes are client seed, server seed, and nonce. If they tried to influence it somehow using your balance or bet amounts, then you wouldn't be able to verify your rolls because they'd come back as false (in which case, then you could call it rigged).

It's always the people that don't understand Provably Fair that cry scam and rigged all the time.

I'm one of the "idots" you mentioned. People are always too confident on technology. They thought technology is 100% trustworthy so when casinos come up with the concept of "provably fair", they are at ease. That complaint is mine. I know what I was talking about. It is no hypothesis, it's fact based on 181 thousand rolls! If you deny the real outcome of FJ dice as proof, then what is? Can you tell me?

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Quote from: Juggy777 on March 09, 2019, 01:07:09 PM

Hey this happens to casinos when they start getting bigger, many gamblers think by name shaming them they can recover their losses as the casino will not like it’s reputation to be damaged. I don’t think Fortune Jack are a scam I have seen here people have won big amounts and they have got paid by Fortune Jack. However if people feel they have a reasonable proof against any site here, then they should open a thread in scam accusation and post all proof there for people to see.

Today, I saw the thread published by DarkStar_.
I thought that he implied Fortune Jack is un-scammed one.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on March 09, 2019, 07:53:21 PM

Grab your client seed, server seed hash and server seed and you can figure out an infinite number of rolls because of the nonce based provably fair system. Here is a pair that I just generated:

Code:

Server Seed Hash: ac954d970822d91cf35b6c06ebac043cd778b60b0395a0cc10d46a4dae7525ee
Server Seed: efd7484340d7b05c9cb9852c88141ec6008c05a2153b15a301ba157ad63e0f45
Client Seed: 7a5c9caf8b4ef85a028f8b39b67f91e322c3d4b57505477d59fa4a04561da3d3

You can put the info into DiceSites' PrimeDice verifier and generate an infinite number of rolls. What you claim is literally impossible because every result depends on the same server seed + client seed combo, which doesn't care whether you bet 1 million Bitcoin or 1 satoshi. You're very likely just having confirmation bias or believe in gambler's fallacy.

those details mentioned in the above thread are complicated, and hard to understand for me, but I guess that what DarkStar_ implied.

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Quote from: cozyaf on March 03, 2019, 09:48:29 AM

Hello, this is my first post on bitcointalk.org so sorry If I do anything wrong.

I am here to report the massive scam fortunejack can be, over the last 3 days I have been trying to get money back from a bet which I won, but was somehow canceled and refunded.

I will make it clear, I have done a bet on lightning roulette, the bet was accepted, the number rolled and it hit one of my numbers, after hitting this number I get a message on the screen saying my bet was not made in time, and I didnt get my winnings. Contacting costumer support on www.fortunejack.com made me sick since they have preset replys and you will get mad over it, I have sent over 10 tickets some of them somehow got closed without even a reply and closed in a bunch of minutes.

FortuneJack itself admitted not to know the reason why my bet was canceled and refunded, and kept ignoring me.

Adding to this I have proof of everything I just said here, and I imagine that it must have been recorded somewhere the lightning roulette session or even recorded by fortunejack itself, many people where having this issue on the time frame I got mine.

And now the final thing, I did not got this error only once, but twice, I got it once and I contacted live support and while talking with live support it happened again and still they couldnt do anything about it has they say they dont find anything wrong with my bets.

Please pay back what you owe me, we are real people risking our real money, casinos are so quick taking our money but cant solve simple issues

I just want to say Im already for 9 days total waiting for my money, 6 days ago they said that as it was providers fault they were going to contact provider and send me a reply, they kept me waiting until today, while the provider had already sent them the reply 3 days ago, and I contacted provider myself to prove it, here is the proofs for those who say I dont have proofs:

https://imgur.com/a/MyLfO6a

ITS A SCAM, DO NOT PLAY THERE

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