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Quote from: FortuneJack on April 23, 2015, 08:54:15 AM

Thank you for the research you conducted regarding the Video Poker House Edge, but you are forgetting "Rebet" button. FortuneJack is the only crypto casino offering Rebet after last draw, meaning if you have let's say 4 of a kind after two draws, you can go for 5 of a kind by drawing 3rd time, this increases the chances of striking more winnings, thus lowering house edge to 1.4%.

We have made some mistakes before calculating house edge and had 3 rebet options available for the players, that set House Edge to - 17.2% (negative), where players won around 40 BTC in several minutes while playing with the bug, obviously we payed them out but since then, we decided not remove 'Rebet' from the game, as it makes the game unique in the crypto industry (these winnings were discussed in the thread).

None of the calculators you provided include Rebet option, so comparing regular types of gameplay and payout to the Video Poker provided on FortuneJack, is a mistake.

Thank you, I didn't play your video poker before because it shows connection errors, if I have a chance, I will try your "rebet" option.

It is innovative so we can have more chance to make money, awesome rebet feature, never see it in other casinos. Grin

BTW, one question, can we see rollover progress in account page?

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Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 10:27:36 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on April 22, 2015, 08:14:37 PM

Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 05:59:57 PM

Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.

Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack Standard

Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

Thank you for the research you conducted regarding the Video Poker House Edge, but you are forgetting "Rebet" button. FortuneJack is the only crypto casino offering Rebet after last draw, meaning if you have let's say 4 of a kind after two draws, you can go for 5 of a kind by drawing 3rd time, this increases the chances of striking more winnings, thus lowering house edge to 1.4%.

We have made some mistakes before calculating house edge and had 3 rebet options available for the players, that set House Edge to - 17.2% (negative), where players won around 40 BTC in several minutes while playing with the bug, obviously we payed them out but since then, we decided not remove 'Rebet' from the game, as it makes the game unique in the crypto industry (these winnings were discussed in the thread).

None of the calculators you provided include Rebet option, so comparing regular types of gameplay and payout to the Video Poker provided on FortuneJack, is a mistake.

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Quote from: FortuneJack on April 23, 2015, 04:34:39 AM

Even though we have written in the rules that "Bonuses should be claimed in one month", we don't use this rule. There was a mistake in the text and we will remove that sentence.

You can continue wagering for as long as you want unless you don't withdraw anything. That means that you can spend even 5 months wagering, but you should not withdraw anything during that time if you want to get full 100% deposit bonus.

Yes, your real bonus is different from what the bonus term says. And another error is video poker house edge, did you read "troublesome96" and my discussion? They are in previous page. Do you prepare a bounty for "troublesome96" and me?

30X rollover is not easy, your bonus is not instantly added to the account. For only 1btc bankroll, playing blackjack may be useful, but bj only contributes 20%, wager 150BTC and left 0+ money is also difficult.

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Even though we have written in the rules that "Bonuses should be claimed in one month", we don't use this rule. There was a mistake in the text and we will remove that sentence.

You can continue wagering for as long as you want unless you don't withdraw anything. That means that you can spend even 5 months wagering, but you should not withdraw anything during that time if you want to get full 100% deposit bonus.

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Quote from: GoodMerchant on April 23, 2015, 04:03:03 AM

Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

if you deposit 1 btc you will not get another 1 btc as bonus instantly you will have to wager 30x with your initial deposit to claim the bonus of 1 btc. if you'll be unable wager 30x within a month then your bonus will be lost.

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Quote from: GoodMerchant on April 23, 2015, 04:03:03 AM

Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

Both, you wager 60BTC so that you can claim the 1btc bonus. They should be both done in 1 month. Or the bonus would be void.

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Quote from: GoodMerchant on April 23, 2015, 04:03:03 AM

Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

you must wagered 30x like if you deposit 1Btc and get 1Btc as 100% deposit bonus than have you to make 30x rollover
1x30 = 30 Btc within a month to get unlock the bonus amount.

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Hi support,

I have a question. What does it means? "Bonuses should be claimed within one (1) month". I should understand it how ? I was wondering about it.

For eg: If I deposit 1BTC + 1BTC (100% bonus) = 2BTC

Wagering 30x: 2BTC x 30= 60BTC

I must wager 60BTC within one (1) month or I must claimed 1BTC (bonus) within on1e (1) month ?

I sincere thank you!

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Quote from: fox19891989 on April 22, 2015, 10:48:37 PM

Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 10:27:36 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on April 22, 2015, 08:14:37 PM

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack Standard

Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

LOL, you misunderstood what I said, I said:"So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one." I mean I prefer 95.15% is the correct one, I didn't mean I prefer playing 95% house edge game. Grin

I am not silly. That's why I like playing blackjack but not other games. BJ on FJ also had high house edge, they modified the house rule, house edge may be 1%-2%. So after I lost some coins in blackjack here, I left here.

And your speculation about 98.6% is correct, 98.6% expect return is standard one, FJ just copied that figure but set the lower return of 2 pairs, royal flush and etc. So 98.6% should be a false advertisement/statement. FJ should modify it to 95.15%

My bad.

I would rather they modify the actual payouts Wink

.

I will run the numbers on the blackjack rules they have posted in a little bit.

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Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 10:27:36 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on April 22, 2015, 08:14:37 PM

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack Standard

Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

LOL, you misunderstood what I said, I said:"So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one." I mean I prefer 95.15% is the correct one, I didn't mean I prefer playing 95% house edge game. Grin

I am not silly. That's why I like playing blackjack but not other games. BJ on FJ also had high house edge, they modified the house rule, house edge may be 1%-2%. So after I lost some coins in blackjack here, I left here.

And your speculation about 98.6% is correct, 98.6% expect return is standard one, FJ just copied that figure but set the lower return of 2 pairs, royal flush and etc. So 98.6% should be a false advertisement/statement. FJ should modify it to 95.15%

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Quote from: fox19891989 on April 22, 2015, 08:14:37 PM

Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 05:59:57 PM

Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.

Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

I use a calculator as well, but it is a bit more involved than the one you reference imo, although the results are still very close.
I checked out the calculator that you posted and the default pay table for Joker's Wild that is preloaded into it revealed the 1.4%* house edge.
(*My calculations show the standard pay table provides a 1.4013% house edge.)

I will show them side by side below:

FortuneJack Standard

Either, fortunejack needs to correct their info to reflect a ~4.7% house edge or change the payouts.

FortuneJack, I view this as a major issue that is just as important, if not more important, than a wallet security bug.
I would hope we are on the same page in this regard. I, also did not see a house edge percentage posted at all regarding blackjack. I will look into that next.

Should I post this to the bugbounty email? or would you rather just pm me here?
I have not read the whole thread, but I would assume this has not been mentioned otherwise it would have already been corrected one way or the other. Surprising to say the least because the thread is ~6 months old.

P.S. fox, I do not think you would prefer the 95.15% unless you are the house.

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Quote from: Troublesome96 on April 22, 2015, 05:59:57 PM

Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.

Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

I am also confused by their return, I think their number may be wrong. I use a video poker calculator: http://www.winnergambling.com/casino-tools/video-poker-payout/, the expect return is 95.15%

So I just wonder which expect return is correct. I prefer 95.15% one.

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Your Joker's Wild video poker information page (https://fortunejack.com/game/videopoker/)
shows the house edge to be only 1.40%.

Using the pay table on the game itself, (no multipliers that I have seen)
I am showing the house edge to be 4.54%.

Have I messed the numbers up, possibly missing something?

Or are your numbers incorrect?

EDIT: I apologize if this has already been covered in the thread. I did not read all the way through it.

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Quote from: safetybitcoin on April 21, 2015, 06:18:57 PM

Quote from: omahapoker on April 20, 2015, 01:00:50 PM

we were talking about my profit.

as you can see ive made 7+btc on leaderboard and 3btc on points cashed in

so my profit is around 7-10btc.

I say im up 5btc with cost of betting in contest.

this is why i love this site

Great ! An truly impressive figure ! That is probably my dream figure. You please tell me as well as everyone here knows that you have to earn that

amount for how long ? Thanks !

well since i joined in sept. 2014, that would mean it took me 23 years to get that

7 months it looks like

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Quote from: Coef on April 20, 2015, 09:36:44 PM

Quote from: ticoti on April 20, 2015, 08:42:28 PM

Have just seen you have added a new jackpot!
it looks like you have to get consecutives numbers in tens, what is the chance for that event?

Since you have to roll 1X.XX, 2X.XX, ... , 8X.XX in a row, the chance to hit the dice jackpot would be 10%^8 = 0.000001%

so,counting that fortunejack has 115 million rolls in his history, jackpot may have happened only one time,so may be necessary months to get the jackpot,the one who gets it must be really lucky

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Quote from: omahapoker on April 20, 2015, 01:00:50 PM

we were talking about my profit.

as you can see ive made 7+btc on leaderboard and 3btc on points cashed in

so my profit is around 7-10btc.

I say im up 5btc with cost of betting in contest.

this is why i love this site

Great ! An truly impressive figure ! That is probably my dream figure. You please tell me as well as everyone here knows that you have to earn that

amount for how long ? Thanks !

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 20, 2015, 10:59:50 PM

Quote from: micky123 on April 20, 2015, 10:33:24 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 20, 2015, 10:24:08 PM

will i be aBle to withdraw my deposit after i got the deposit bonus or it is locked too until i meet the wagering requirements?

If they allow you to withdraw the deposit bonus as soon as you deposit, all of us would be rich and you would have people creating multiple accounts on FJ just to take advantage of it. The simple answer is no... you cannot withdraw your deposit bonus unless you wager it x30. Remember that dice is not included in this promo, so wagering on Dice is no use. Also, do not withdraw the deposit that you make because if you do so, you lose your chance of claiming the bonus. Play some Keno, keno has the highest loyalty points as also the wagering requirements and you will hit x30 soon. Just about any game other than dice would be a good bet to get closer to claiming that deposit bonus!

I am asking if i can withdraw my deposit, not the deposit bonus. :p

Oh well... guess i didn't read that properly, but the answer remains the same Cheesy

. If you withdraw the deposit as soon as you get your bonus, then the x30 wagering requirements are out the window. You need to wager your deposit x30 times to be eligible to claim the bonus, which you can see under "My Account" -> "Balance". So every time you meet the wagering requirement, you will see what can be claimed under "Sign Up Bonus". So in theory, if you don't wager the deposit and withdraw it, you will not be able to play anything and the first deposit bonus is as good as dead!

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Quote from: micky123 on April 20, 2015, 10:33:24 PM

Quote from: dznuts85 on April 20, 2015, 10:24:08 PM

will i be aBle to withdraw my deposit after i got the deposit bonus or it is locked too until i meet the wagering requirements?

If they allow you to withdraw the deposit bonus as soon as you deposit, all of us would be rich and you would have people creating multiple accounts on FJ just to take advantage of it. The simple answer is no... you cannot withdraw your deposit bonus unless you wager it x30. Remember that dice is not included in this promo, so wagering on Dice is no use. Also, do not withdraw the deposit that you make because if you do so, you lose your chance of claiming the bonus. Play some Keno, keno has the highest loyalty points as also the wagering requirements and you will hit x30 soon. Just about any game other than dice would be a good bet to get closer to claiming that deposit bonus!

I am asking if i can withdraw my deposit, not the deposit bonus. :p

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Quote from: dznuts85 on April 20, 2015, 10:24:08 PM

will i be aBle to withdraw my deposit after i got the deposit bonus or it is locked too until i meet the wagering requirements?

If they allow you to withdraw the deposit bonus as soon as you deposit, all of us would be rich and you would have people creating multiple accounts on FJ just to take advantage of it. The simple answer is no... you cannot withdraw your deposit bonus unless you wager it x30. Remember that dice is not included in this promo, so wagering on Dice is no use. Also, do not withdraw the deposit that you make because if you do so, you lose your chance of claiming the bonus. Play some Keno, keno has the highest loyalty points as also the wagering requirements and you will hit x30 soon. Just about any game other than dice would be a good bet to get closer to claiming that deposit bonus!

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will i be aBle to withdraw my deposit after i got the deposit bonus or it is locked too until i meet the wagering requirements?

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