Topic: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting - page 571. (Read 459337 times)

FortuneJack,

Is this 2-3 business days from Thursday evening 6-7pm cst when I initiated the withdraw or 2-3 business days from now? As in tuesday or wednesday cst? Any time frame you can estimate will be greatly appreciated.

We already stated that we will reveal all evidences when we end the process. We are having big wins several times a day, and we pay them out without any problem. FortuneJack is an established casino in the industry and there are players who cash out big wins every day, without any problem - allegations that someone may win fair and we do not pay out are not based on any facts or true story and are far beyond our values of website operation, even current issue is under investigation and you cannot state that.
You can have a look at our fiat money online casino europe-bet.com, we set hundred thousand dollar weekly tournaments and promotions, million dollar jackpots, why would we make 45 BTC arguable in front of the whole crypto community, unless we think it was a fraud. We understand you are curious, but the issue is a bit delicate and requires investigation, we will reveal everything in details - why investigation was started, the process and the outcome, we just need some time to end it, probably will take 2-3 business days.

The game is up on the lowest possible limits, we excluded all possible bugs with the game, so that the 'player' has no access and interest in playing it.
As for the slots question, we advertise 2% House Edge on Slots as it is up to us to set the House Edge and not by the game vendor, and they are set on 2%.

Today or tommorow or so you will ban another winner and start "investigation" and censore him everywhere and all evidence you have is that he used VPN to play at anonymous casino.
How do you advertise a 2% edge on slot machines from EGT,Novomatic... when they are made to have a higher edge and calculation is still the same?

You have a provably fair BJ which is still avaliable to play and it looks impossible to cheat.


Hash secret: 8E191933A2A4154B06C6C10AE61FCAD51735CD03E50DC350F8742E09B38BFF72
Secret: f2ecb0e8-e23e-4abd-b778-f157df54ad7f
Actual SHA256 of secret does not corresponding to secret SHA256(f2ecb0e8-e23e-4abd-b778-f157df54ad7f) = c1c145f56b49f9596576e23685030ee46c8a8c2cff2c01e0c360cf9e3cd7058a

It is not about Fortune and 45 BTC win, we have reasons to believe it was a fraud, we have the right to suspend account based on our doubts and investigate it (please read terms and conditions), we will keep the community updated regarding the investigation outcome. Before that, we do not really see any reason to argue about it, one side states it was fair, the other side states it needs to be checked. If we are not paying the player, we will obviously bring all the proofs once the investigation is finished, stating exactly why we did not pay out. Scam and FortuneJack are far enough from each other and if there is a possibility of player being acting unfair until the investigation finishes, we think it is not fair to blame us in scamming, at least until the investigation finishes. With all the respect to your opinion, but our 6 month reputation means something, and freezing 45 BTC payout for several days and investigating the issue for the casino who pays out thousands of dollars worth of coins every day as a single wins with around 100 BTC promotion payouts per month should be respected enough to wait for the investigation to be finished instead of false allegations of scamming, or even something close it. All we say is we need some time to work on the issue, no matter what we decide, you can rest assured we will be acting fair enough.

Fortunejack,

You're missing something here it's not a closed subject for the community and his cause is starting to gain traction here and elsewhere. It's being talked about in chat rooms and "fortunejack" and "scam" are starting to be lumped together. Remember that the community has been ripped off by flashy betting sites before, diceninja, etc. Deleting his post was a bad move on this forum.

A couple of suggestions:

1) You need come clean on whatever evidence you have that get_money scammed you or you need to pay him out. Having multiple IP addressed and multiple accounts doesn't constitute fraud. The lack of doing so seems to point out that you're scamming him on a big win.  Saying the "details are delicate" when he is willing to be open with screenshots isn't helping you.

2) If your blackjack game has a bug, take it offline, and return his principal deposits. I think you will find that the community is more supportive when you declare you have a problem with a game.  He may have offered to help you define the bug (if there was one) that led to a winning scenario.

You missed an opportunity to turn his big win into a marketing position for yourself. Imagine how much business you could have gained showing a big payout and now you're claiming fraud with no proof on a "provably fair" system.

It's your business, you're going to do whatever you're going to do, but know that the crypto community tends to support the little guy and not a gaming corporation that promote a "fortune" that you can't win. :|

(Also, your replies to community members makes you look like a jerk, it's not exactly helping you out)

Then finish it, as everyone is waiting for you to do so. If someone posting on your thread is seriously preventing you from investigating what you think is possibly an extremely large case of fraud, then you must operate quite weirdly.

I'll wait for your conclusion.

You have absolutely no idea whether it was a classic strategy or not, so please let us do our job. We deleted the thread because we had a private conversation going on with the player, negotiating not to take it outside yet. There is a lot of scam and fraud going on, so we better keep the thread privately moderated, it is our choice to do so and you cannot state whether it is professional or not, we think otherwise.
Once again, we claim to be the best online crypto currency casino on the network, we have big plans for the future, we give out 25 btc per week in promotions, we would pay out the amount of 45 btc without any problem if we would think it was fair. We ask you to close this subject and let us do our job, you do not know this player, you have no clue what or how he played, so stop covering him unless you have anything against FortuneJack, and we guarantee noone has ever had anything against us, this is the first case happening.

If you did not enjoy playing BlackJack at FortuneJack, you are free to write us what exactly you did not like, your opinion matters to us and we will be glad to work on it.

We would like to finish the investigation without any intervention of third parties, so please let us do our job.

you dont get it.  FJ is here to for the long haul. they are slowly becoming  the #1 crypto gambling site.


you think they are going to throw away their soon to be million dollar company over $14,000 ?


I see people at FJ winning and losing 1-3btc a bet and they all have no issues getting their money.



im at fj 20 hours a day and this get-money guy pops out of nowhere and wins 45btc on blackjack. he was playing 3 hands at a time and getting 3 bj a number of times.


Ive p[layed at least 1000 3 bj hand games and now once ive i got 3 bj in same hand

I was thinking FortuneJack is great casino but that is not case. Played with play money and not enjoyed playing blackjack at FJ.
Running a self moderated thread here and deleting comments is not professional for someone who is 20  years in bussines
Playing outside of the classib BJ strategy and losing much is FRAUD for FortuneJack?

Yes of course we have heard of luck, but we believe this is not the case, that is why we are investigating it. We have been in gaming business for 20 years, and have never seen similar gameplay before, details are a bit delicate for now. We have closed the subject with get_money until the investigation is finished, so we kindly ask you not to provoke it again.

FortuneJack is worried because it is possible to make profit at BlackJack   
Everything seems okay
You heard for luck?

FortuneJack,

Those are sensible and reasonable replies and I thank you for posting them.

1. While analyzing your gameplay, you played 2300 hands, loosing 1200 small and winning 1100 big steaks

I don't understand what kind of manipulation I could have done to accomplish this as you have provably far game play correct?

2. You played a 18 hour process with the game of 1.7% House Edge and got 2200% profit, with -5% House Edge

Again, with provably fair play I don't understand what sort of fraud or cheating I could have done to affect this, this is your software and I have no knowledge of it and it correlates with your #1 point above

3. While looking at blockchain, the only transactions you had was buying 4 BTC and then forwarding them to FJ account  https://blockchain.info/address/1LkGcY9azj5YbSKUR9CLELJFwRrue7tKAT

You are correct as I opened that wallet strictly to keep my gambling funds in. I would not want to use my main wallet as I would be tempted to just transfer more in easily if I lost immediately. If I was cheating it would be highly unlikely I would play back most of that 22btc that I previously withdrew before I started winning again.

4. Your IP changes 4 times a day, connecting to the game flash with 10 different IP's and to the website only 4 IP's

I don't understand this. I use Private Internet Access which is a sponsor of bitcointalk. I did however change my ip to make a secondary account so I could play with your play money (FJC) and also be available if there was anything that could be relayed via chatbox to me as you had not just disabled my primary account but banned my ip from even accessing the main page.

5. The only reason you decided to withdraw amount that much is because we approved your 17 and then 22 BTC requests before.

The reason I decided to withdraw that amount is because I have a slight gambling problem and knew I needed to stop before I played it all back. This is evident seeing as how I played back almost all of the 22BTC I previously withdrew. I could also provide records from Betcoin.ag with my same username tied to my same email showing that I gamble and lose a lot. I do feel that a previous casino I was playing at was rigged or so it seemed and even praised your site because it seemed like it actually was fair play.

I even asked when the 45btc withdraw was pending if you could just cancel it so I could play some more. If that doesn't say gambling issue I don't know what does lol.


BUT.................I don't see how any of that constitutes fraud, hacking, cheating.   I got lucky, I played well, I use a vpn

We have the right to believe it was a FRAUD, and suspended your account due to following reasons:
1. While analyzing your gameplay, you played 2300 hands, loosing 1200 small and winning 1100 big steaks
2. You played an 18 hour process with the game of 1.7% House Edge and got 2200% profit, with -5% House Edge
3. While looking at blockchain, the only transactions you had was buying 4 BTC and then forwarding them to FJ account  https://blockchain.info/address/1LkGcY9azj5YbSKUR9CLELJFwRrue7tKAT
4. Your IP changes 4 times a day, connecting to the game flash with 10 different IP's and to the website only 4 IP's
5. The only reason you decided to withdraw amount that much is because we approved your 17 and then 22 BTC requests before.
6. You also claimed other casinos are scam and you would never look on their side, while as it seems, you have never played them.

In these cases, every casino would count it as a FRAUD, and start the investigation, that is exactly what we are doing now. We have the right to suspend your account, you agreed to the rules while registering.

What concerns to your question, we have lowered limits on Blackjack until the investigation finishes and you may find it uninteresting to play on cents, you could have noticed that while playing on FJC, as you posted above. Unfortunately, that is the only way we can keep you away for now, so it is in our interests to finish the investigation asap.

We claim to be honest, nice and 100% fair in the industry. We are ready to pay any amount won by the player, if it does not breach the security standards of the website. We would not like to continue the discussion about this subject for now, it will not get us any further.

I enjoy my privacy so I use a vpn. I pretty much had to after you banned my ip address from your site after I started asking for explanations in your chatbox.

When we spoke earlier in the chatbox I told you that I wouldn't further press this issue and would wait for your investigation to finish since I have nothing to hide and committed no fraud.

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 I look forward to any proof of fraud that you could produce. Since you now say you have PROOF that I somehow committed fraud I will straight now call you a liar. Especially since you say your investigation isn't finished.

Anything you can produce will be" he won too much" or "was too lucky" or "he used different ip addresses"
Anything above that I will scream lies and fabrication.

If I had a way to cheat your website, why would I make this big of a deal over my winnings and not just go do whatever cheat you think I did again?

We do not think there was a bug with the game, we do STRONGLY believe it was a FRAUD and you will have all the explanations once the investigation is finished. We have paid out for our bugs and mistakes before, and we can pay out the amount you won several times a day, as some of our games have coefficients high enough to pay out even more. For now, you are a potential criminal to us until the investigation is finished, so your arguments and discussions are totally meaningless. You are new to Blockchain, new to Bitcointalk, played from 4 different countries during the day (proxy, hiding IP) - while talking about gaming, we've got too many proofs of your FRAUDness that we would prefer not to desclose for now.

I applaud you for your honesty but if you had successfully withdrawn it all would it not still be their fault/issue and them eat the penalty? Site security should be paramount for them. If a brick and mortar casino had incorrectly shuffled a shoe of cards that dealt the players blackjack every single hand would they call that unfair and take your money back because they had an internal issue?

I get what you're saying, bugs happen but if you suspect bugs then have small table limits instead of 3.6btc a session. If there's a bug that let me win a decent amount then prove there's not a bug that made me loose a decent amount etc.


I don't buy the bug explanation as they didn't pull BJ offline for any amount of time. And if there was a glitch or whatever I believe they should still honor the win.

there are many bugs. i had 8400 btc in my account. lucky for them i only withdrew small amount to show major bug. i was rewarded

I agree but the thought of them saying they think coins were won through some type of fraud leads me to the thought

"Why couldn't they just claim 'bug' or 'fraud' and refuse to pay without offering any explanation?"

I mean I'm sure that the bug claim won't fly now as I see blackjack was not shut down or suspended in any way since then. But I can't just seem to shake the feeling that this isn't going to end fairly, maybe it was just the way I was responded to via email. It was relatively rude (or so I thought) and seemed to have the tone of "you frauded us and won't get your coins".

maybe I'm just being paranoid eh?

I'm sure they are going thur your bets and making sure . the reason nothiing has been said yet is cuz they are not done checking for fraud.


they will come here with statment when done. if everything is on the up n up they you will get what you say you won.


why would they risk a million dollar company on a $14,000 withdraw? your a small fish in a big pond

BE ADVISED. FortuneJack deleted my post here in reference to this quote about them withholding 54.9 BTC because they claim it was somehow won from fraud but will not elaborate any further. The link to my thread about this can be found here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-psa-issue-with-fortunejack-holding-13k-worth-of-my-btc-954601

Instead of replying "we are verifying your large win and you will be paid in a day or so"   they delete my post and screenshots.

I will continue to post this until the issue is resolved and will push the story to coindesk, cyrptocoinnews, and their hosting company.
I will gladly pull down all relevant posts if they follow through and pay what I am due.