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You didn't answer what I asked you and that's why I had to read and reread all 7 pages of this thread:

FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account!

Sorry to hear you had to read and reread all 7 pages of that thread. How many times you read it?


I understand your reasoning but I don't fully agree with it. Of course that a lawsuit, until a decision is made by the judge, doesn't mean or prove guilty that casino and we shouldn't demonise it

I also understand your point, but just tell me about a sportsbook that’s not a scam that has a lawsuit for unpaid winnings… This is unheard of. There are some very well known casinos out there to choose from and while awaiting what will happen with this case there’s not a single reason to use Fortunejack. On my side I just don’t care if they go bankrupt because it will be their regulator who will pay the bill.
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You didn't answer what I asked you and that's why I had to read and reread all 7 pages of this thread:

FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account!

and I couldn't understand one thing: you managed to withdraw your winnings from the bet that you won, I'm not talking about the 3 bets that were cancelled, I'm talking about the only bet that they didn't cancel.

now talking about legal terms, I noticed that in your scam accusation thread you mentioned that the case is in the court of curacao, from what I could read in the accusation thread, if I were you I would be very careful with what your or any lawyer if it gives you any hope that you can win this case, I'm not on the side of the casino, but I need you to see that despite having a strange TOS at that time ( I don't know if today is different ) their TOS is very clear and gives them the right to proceed as they proceeded in your case regarding the bets you placed

at least up to this point i haven't seen anything scamming and in no court will they lose this case, because just look at their arguments in the scam accusation thread and evidence they showed then it's clear that they are not wrong about the procedure of the 3 bets that were canceled and also the limit of 100,000$. You would only have a case of being accused of a scam if, after they put the money from your win of less than 100,000$, you were unable to withdraw that money.

I believe that in court when they present what they posted on this forum the judge will only have one question: did you manage to withdraw the money you won from a bet after they canceled the other 3 bets? as soon as you answer that yes you did withdraw and you didn't have any problem withdrawing then the case will be closed, the problem is that you are spending years with a lawyer, and you know that their TOS was already that crooked way before you created an account, you are wasting time and money on this case

but anyway, the money is yours, just be careful not to be disappointed in the end
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And even if the court decides that the casino is right - it is rare situation when the gamblers goes to the court.
They have no chance…. Their only chance is to flee Curaçao and leave the bill up to their regulator to pay.


I had my history with fortunejack and they have some strange policies with their legal team that resulted in confiscating of my coins.
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It was my choice to stop using and recommending them, and I accepted my loses, but I would be real pissed if that amount was 120k.
Thank you for sharing.

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Yep, i`m talking about it several posts. But the same time we mustn`t think that the OP wants to slander the casino. And we must understand that if casino fills itself normally, even if the court makes them to pay, the gambler that lost(at least in the moment) his money can`t be calm in the process.
Lets just wait for decision and everybody can make his own choice due to information that he can get here too.

Consequently, everyone believes varies on the matter, we need to stand strong and be able to acknowledge what's wrong with casino site. Everyone gathered and introduced different ideas based on their perspective on the matter. Depending on the likelihood of the court, the lawsuit may be won or their terms charged with a minimum penalty. Jumping to conclusions is not the way to tackle issues, especially those that require the public's entire undivided attention. They are not found guilty until the court rules against their actions and their presence in the gambling system.
Dude, i read you post three times but i don`t understand what do you want to say.
If we are talking about the court - the OP decided to accept the court decision. It means that he spend time and money in something that he believes in. And in such situation there are no choice - the both sides will agree with the court`s decision. And even if the court decides that the casino is right - it is rare situation when the gamblers goes to the court.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

Lawsuit is not common in online casino because the only way customer will file a lawsuit is when he is confident enough to his case.
Exactly, especially when the lawyer taking the case is a very well known lawyer.

What common instances is casino always have an active scam accusation in the forum.
In instances where you have some scammers like FortuneJack who think they're smarter than God Himself.

So if the casino has a an active lawsuit therefore something is really wrong.
Exactly, but it depends. If the casino has an active lawsuit because it is not paying winnings, then yes something is really wrong. But you don't have to go that far to say something is really wrong. Just check the link in my original post, and see for yourself. You don't need a judge to say this is theft, but I guess I'll have to take it to the judge.


PS: Up to this day, no one seems to have contacted FortuneJack to know if this is true or not, especially among those who doubt what I say. Hey you guys who are doubting, where are you? Have you seen for yourself if this is true or not?
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

Lawsuit is not common in online casino because the only way customer will file a lawsuit is when he is confident enough to his case. Typical issue of the casino always solved via the forum, 3rd party gambling arbitrage or Curacao report. What common instances is casino always have an active scam accusation in the forum.

A lawsuit will automatically junk if there’s no basis on the case. So if the casino has a an active lawsuit therefore something is really wrong. But on this case. OP is just full of BS because he can’t provide any evidence for having one. I doubt too that he will waste money on lawsuit while his case is very obvious against casino terms and conditions for doing double same bets to rigged the casino.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

You're right and one thing I hate is seeing people spreading fear especially  about another ones business and i don't see any problem with gambling  on a casino platform that has a lawsuit and I think it is even more safer to gamble on those platforms because the casino wouldn't want to play any silly games not when the legal eyes of the court are already on them 🤔
The casino has a case in court and who knows if the case might even get to be in their favour but whatever the case might be, please I think this thread should be locked and ill talks shouldn't be spoken of another's effort and business.

I understand your reasoning but I don't fully agree with it. Of course that a lawsuit, until a decision is made by the judge, doesn't mean or prove guilty that casino and we shouldn't demonise it only because of that.

FortuneJack may be a better casino than many others who are less known and don't have any lawsuits yet. But it is indeed a red flag to be taken into account, just in case, so I don't think we should censor this debate as long as it is not shown to be deceitfully started by the OP.

Its like they are still innocent about that until they are proven guilty so maybe lets wait for the result on this case since if proven that FJ got defeated on the filed case then maybe OP's warning are so valid. But if not and we cannot see any case proceed then maybe this is another case of a certain people trolling up a casino since they want to destroy the reputation of casino which they not fair on their eyes. But we know FJ is reputable casino so I guess its up for the updates given before people believes on his claims about FJ.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

You're right and one thing I hate is seeing people spreading fear especially  about another ones business and i don't see any problem with gambling  on a casino platform that has a lawsuit and I think it is even more safer to gamble on those platforms because the casino wouldn't want to play any silly games not when the legal eyes of the court are already on them 🤔
The casino has a case in court and who knows if the case might even get to be in their favour but whatever the case might be, please I think this thread should be locked and ill talks shouldn't be spoken of another's effort and business.

I understand your reasoning but I don't fully agree with it. Of course that a lawsuit, until a decision is made by the judge, doesn't mean or prove guilty that casino and we shouldn't demonise it only because of that.

FortuneJack may be a better casino than many others who are less known and don't have any lawsuits yet. But it is indeed a red flag to be taken into account, just in case, so I don't think we should censor this debate as long as it is not shown to be deceitfully started by the OP.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

You're right and one thing I hate is seeing people spreading fear especially  about another ones business and i don't see any problem with gambling  on a casino platform that has a lawsuit and I think it is even more safer to gamble on those platforms because the casino wouldn't want to play any silly games not when the legal eyes of the court are already on them 🤔
The casino has a case in court and who knows if the case might even get to be in their favour but whatever the case might be, please I think this thread should be locked and ill talks shouldn't be spoken of another's effort and business.
You do have a point when you said that is even saver to gamble on a casino that have a lawsuit against them, simply because they wouldn't want to play any silly tricks with any user's winnings since they already have the eyes of the law on them - very true.

But on the other hand, playing on a casino that has a lawsuit ongoing against them can only be considered save to some degree , if the casino in question is a big name in the gambling industry, at least, users are rest assured that there is enough money for the legal battle, for a small casino, maybe one that is just starting out and the owner(s) not somebody with so much wealth, a lawsuit could easily end the business, most especially, if the matter is not ruled in the favor of the casino at the end of the day.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.

You're right and one thing I hate is seeing people spreading fear especially  about another ones business and i don't see any problem with gambling  on a casino platform that has a lawsuit and I think it is even more safer to gamble on those platforms because the casino wouldn't want to play any silly games not when the legal eyes of the court are already on them 🤔
The casino has a case in court and who knows if the case might even get to be in their favour but whatever the case might be, please I think this thread should be locked and ill talks shouldn't be spoken of another's effort and business.
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Yep, i`m talking about it several posts. But the same time we mustn`t think that the OP wants to slander the casino. And we must understand that if casino fills itself normally, even if the court makes them to pay, the gambler that lost(at least in the moment) his money can`t be calm in the process.
Lets just wait for decision and everybody can make his own choice due to information that he can get here too.

Consequently, everyone believes varies on the matter, we need to stand strong and be able to acknowledge what's wrong with casino site. Everyone gathered and introduced different ideas based on their perspective on the matter. Depending on the likelihood of the court, the lawsuit may be won or their terms charged with a minimum penalty. Jumping to conclusions is not the way to tackle issues, especially those that require the public's entire undivided attention. They are not found guilty until the court rules against their actions and their presence in the gambling system.
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OP should at least having the time on telling the public on whats happening so that discussions and speculations would be stopped into this thread and would move on.
There is no need to speculate, once the legal side is settled, I will come here and post what the result was. But there is someone for sure who can come here and comment and end speculations right now about what's happening, it's @FortuneJack. Seems like he doesn't want to.

This could be a long case battle and many of the posts here will be redundant, so why not lock this thread and wait for the resolution of the case, this is not a third-party arbitration where the result can be accepted or not and there is a time frame.

In court, you have to abide by the resolution whether you like it or not or you will be contempt if you do not abide, and there's no specific time frame, the resolution could be delayed depending on how both parties handed their pieces of evidence, so good luck to you, I'm sure this case is being followed by Fortunejack and will try to find loopholes in your case.
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I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.
It is possible that someone, who just begin to gamble will not risk and choose the other casino. He willn`t make any research - just negative feedback and the gambler chooses another casino.
But anyway we need this information and the result of the court, such situations are possible for any casino and we must know about it and the reaction of the casino support can help us to make a decision about the casino.
We should just assume they are innocent until proven wrong. Many things can happen when funds are stolen. Fund are stolen from banks on regular bases and we still use them, so lets see first what will the court say.
Yep, i`m talking about it several posts. But the same time we mustn`t think that the OP wants to slander the casino. And we must understand that if casino fills itself normally, even if the court makes them to pay, the gambler that lost(at least in the moment) his money can`t be calm in the process.
Lets just wait for decision and everybody can make his own choice due to information that he can get here too.
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I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.
It is possible that someone, who just begin to gamble will not risk and choose the other casino. He willn`t make any research - just negative feedback and the gambler chooses another casino.
But anyway we need this information and the result of the court, such situations are possible for any casino and we must know about it and the reaction of the casino support can help us to make a decision about the casino.
We should just assume they are innocent until proven wrong. Many things can happen when funds are stolen. Fund are stolen from banks on regular bases and we still use them, so lets see first what will the court say.
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I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.
It is possible that someone, who just begin to gamble will not risk and choose the other casino. He willn`t make any research - just negative feedback and the gambler chooses another casino.
But anyway we need this information and the result of the court, such situations are possible for any casino and we must know about it and the reaction of the casino support can help us to make a decision about the casino.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets.
No wonder coming from someone like you who supports 1xbit.com, so of course scamming some gamblers doesn't mean that it is not good for other gamblers, seems logic.


OP should at least having the time on telling the public on whats happening so that discussions and speculations would be stopped into this thread and would move on.
There is no need to speculate, once the legal side is settled, I will come here and post what the result was. But there is someone for sure who can come here and comment and end speculations right now about what's happening, it's @FortuneJack. Seems like he doesn't want to.
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May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?
I am not giving details about the lawsuit, but even if I had information, a lot of the times the judgement can be postponed. As an example, the appeal court decision I have talked about in my original post has been postponed about 6 times, each time postponed for one month...
I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.
I do able to read up that there are some sayings that they might be having that negotiations in behind which is really that far into public. If ever its been done like that then OP should at least having the time on
telling the public on whats happening so that discussions and speculations would be stopped into this thread and would move on. It is really just that it do really sucks on  seeing that a known casino is having this kind of issue.
I did remember that FJ wayback did have some huge issues but able to resolve it out, this is the main important thing on which a casino could able to do on where they do able to resolved out things
if users do able to experience some issues or whatever that give out some problem. Now we are just keep on speculating and telling repetitive things which we dont
even know if this issue is over now or what.
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For a gambling platform to have a lawsuit does not mean that the casino is not good for other gamblers to use and make bets. Lawsuit is a normal thing as this business may concern because I don't see anything wrong for a company to have a lawsuit or a matter in the court. Same thing happens when stake was taken to court and many were think of reducing the rate at which they make bets on the platform.
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What are we supposed to do with this? When you state in the first post that you will offer no proof or even details. Why would we believe you? That's not how arguments or accusations works. Should we believe all the fud in the internet without any proof? I am assuming that you wouldn't so why are you expecting us to do so?

I am really baffled why would you see people being so gullible that they would just take your word blindly. Unless this is just fud, when it makes total sense. And it's a simplest answer to the question if you are lying or not.
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May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?
I am not giving details about the lawsuit, but even if I had information, a lot of the times the judgement can be postponed. As an example, the appeal court decision I have talked about in my original post has been postponed about 6 times, each time postponed for one month...
I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.
Sure no problem, once this issue is settled from the legal side, I will be giving all the information.
I will be posting it here in this thread.

Of course all of us (including FortuneJack and me) should accept the decision whatever it may be.


I think the Op has provided evidence in his thread of accusations and this is still a pro and con when from FJ's side there is no answer yet and everything will be proven for example an FJ representative co-wrote a reply in this thread and makes it all clear who is right and who is wrong.
Yeah that's what I said many times, let the FortuneJack representative come here and say if this is true or not.
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