FORTUNEJACK.COM | Ongoing lawsuit, 120k usd stolen | Shady practices - page 6.

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Quote from: PaperWallet on April 30, 2023, 03:53:44 AM

Quote from: mak013 on April 30, 2023, 12:36:26 AM

May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?

I am not giving details about the lawsuit, but even if I had information, a lot of the times the judgement can be postponed. As an example, the appeal court decision I have talked about in my original post has been postponed about 6 times, each time postponed for one month...

I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

Agree since how would people believe this if there's no update regarding on the lawsuit filed against them? Its like he just want people to believe that there something like that to happen and no question or update will be ask since you just need to believe him. That's crazy action and people will not gonna buy that since people need to see some information show before they believe on their accusation against the platform.

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Quote from: PaperWallet on April 30, 2023, 03:53:44 AM

Quote from: mak013 on April 30, 2023, 12:36:26 AM

May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?

I am not giving details about the lawsuit, but even if I had information, a lot of the times the judgement can be postponed. As an example, the appeal court decision I have talked about in my original post has been postponed about 6 times, each time postponed for one month...

I understand this situation and i don`t ask any private information. But i think it would be correct to inform the members about the result. I think that information about appeals not so value, but the result decision of the court we must know. And it doesn`t matter who will win - if you decided to move to the court we have to believe their decision.

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Quote from: Cling18 on April 29, 2023, 09:10:34 AM

Op might have been disappointed or upset about his losses which is normal but to accuse a casino of a lawsuit issue should be followed by evidence and proof to support it. FortuneJack also has the right to restrict suspicious activities that go against its TOS.
About the merit, meriting could be given because of different reasons and I don't think we should come up with a certain conclusion. Anyone could actually merit a topic if it catches their interest so I don't think there's an issue regarding that.

It wasn't just Ops that were disappointed when they lost $120k and that's a huge amount bro.
I think the Op has provided evidence in his thread of accusations and this is still a pro and con when from FJ's side there is no answer yet and everything will be proven for example an FJ representative co-wrote a reply in this thread and makes it all clear who is right and who is wrong.
About merit anyone can give that which he thinks deserves to be given merit doesn't mean support and I can also give everyone merit here doesn't mean supporting this thread but just reading this discussion it's very good.

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Quote from: PaperWallet on April 29, 2023, 01:46:49 PM

It's been more than a week that I've posted this. A lot of people came here, interested about this subject, some said they will discover for themselves, some said this is FUD, but we haven't heard since then from any of them what is the truth.
Guys, just ask FortuneJack, let's see what they say, right?

I don't think they will come down to address this issue, because they know that when the case is already in court both parties are not allowed to say the merit of the case, are you aware of a gag order

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A court order forbidding parties in a legal action, lawyers, witnesses, and jurors, from making statements to the press regarding an ongoing case in which they are participating.

, if you really file it you should not talk about the case is your lawyer aware of your posts if he is he will not allow you to talk about it, and if you cannot show anything this is just a FUD.
And Fortunejack knows better not fall for this trick.

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Quote from: Haunebu on April 30, 2023, 12:44:58 AM

Quote from: PaperWallet on April 29, 2023, 01:46:49 PM

Guys, just ask FortuneJack, let's see what they say, right?

I don't think they are going to respond to your bold claims in this thread frankly speaking.

Why not? Some here seem to be interested in this subject, so they might just try and ask. You might as well try asking Sir Hhampuz.

Quote from: davis196 on April 30, 2023, 01:44:28 AM

2.Almost every major company has to deal with one or more lawsuits. This is something normal in the business world.

What reputable online casino has a lawsuit for not paying winnings? In Curacao it happened before "due to terms and conditions", and they paid a much higher price with lawsuits. Some of them flew from Curacao and it was their regulator who had to pay the price.

Quote from: mak013 on April 30, 2023, 12:36:26 AM

May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?

I am not giving details about the lawsuit, but even if I had information, a lot of the times the judgement can be postponed. As an example, the appeal court decision I have talked about in my original post has been postponed about 6 times, each time postponed for one month...

Quote from: LoyceV on April 29, 2023, 09:00:41 AM

"I think this post is worth reading".

Why you think it is worth reading?

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But there is one more thing: The courts are not the ones who run these casinos. So if they can't steal users funds anymore by simply closing accounts, common sense says they'll be finding new ways to cheat customers.... So watch out to play only provably fair (that you actually understand) games and live games where you can actually verify you're not being cheated.

Edit: For the people posting here, saying this is FUD, go ask FortuneJack if no legal procedure is going against them. If not, ask them if they paid me already or not (with interest for being about 2 years late on payment). I am not giving any evidence, nor am I giving any details.

1.Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If FortuneJack had really stolen 120K USD, this must be proven by the prosecutors.
2.Almost every major company has to deal with one or more lawsuits. This is something normal in the business world.
3.I'm completely aware of all the dirty tricks some casinos(not all of them) use to block certain users and to forbid withdrawals.
And so what? Just deposit small amounts of crypto and gamble for fun. Don't expect and win big and don't view gambling as a money making method.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on April 28, 2023, 02:08:07 AM

From a strictly legal standpoint, OP is in the wrong, I would think. However he claims to have opened a lawsuit so lets see how that goes.

If he actually did open a lawsuit, it most probably won't go his way since FJ is a big gambling site with a strong legal team to help defend themselves. He is basically gambling against a gambling site who have a huge edge against him.

Quote from: PaperWallet on April 29, 2023, 01:46:49 PM

Guys, just ask FortuneJack, let's see what they say, right?

I don't think they are going to respond to your bold claims in this thread frankly speaking.

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Quote from: PaperWallet on April 29, 2023, 01:46:49 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 28, 2023, 01:23:24 AM

PS. I don`t think that FJ will lose lots of their gamblers. The most part even don`t know about this situation i think.

Maybe, but they should know.

Yes, i agree. They can do thier choice themselves, but it will be easier and more honest with the information about incidents like yours. It is possible that it will stop someone. Anyway it is feedback from the gambler and the others gamblers must know about such situations.
May be i missed, but have you any information when the court will show their decision?

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Quote from: mak013 on April 28, 2023, 01:23:24 AM

PS. I don`t think that FJ will lose lots of their gamblers. The most part even don`t know about this situation i think.

Maybe, but they should know.

Quote from: Hamphser on April 28, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

Seeing on the link given it was indeed already 2 years ago but it turns out to be still that unresolved?

Sometimes lawsuits take time, especially if FortuneJack has chosen the slowest lawyer in the country. But no problem I'd consider I've loaned them the money and they would pay for the interest.

It's been more than a week that I've posted this. A lot of people came here, interested about this subject, some said they will discover for themselves, some said this is FUD, but we haven't heard since then from any of them what is the truth.
Guys, just ask FortuneJack, let's see what they say, right?

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Quote from: Outhue on April 29, 2023, 03:43:07 AM

Quote from: Hamphser on April 28, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

Quote from: QueenVera on April 28, 2023, 02:46:55 PM

I feel so bad about how people come out boldly to talk ill about the business of another and from the look of things, it seems you were paid to do or make this post against fortunejack and these were just assumptions by myself and there is no way you should come up with an account with two red trust and expect people to believe the things you say without any prove of evidence and still think so full of yourself.

If you truly want to help people pass a helping information and a very important information like this, then you should also do well to show evidence of the things you've said so far and I'm sorry if this rumor aren't true, I'm sure your account might earn more red trust from this post.

Try to look on what link he had given on OP which is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-making-120000-dollars-disappear-from-my-account-5368279
So you could see that its been merited by LoyceV which i could say that he had proven out some considerable proof.

Seeing on the link given it was indeed already 2 years ago but it turns out to be still that unresolved? Some users stating that this issue might have that private
settlement or we arent really know that its been resolved already. This is why then it would really be none of our business but its
really that good if this one had been clarified out and closed this case or issue completely but it seems we aren't that going to that point.

This person is bold for creating another thread, he can't say he never got any answer from Fortune Jack team all this while, I guess he is mad still about the loss, at first I thought someone must have paid him to ruin FortuneJack's name but that's not looking like it.

I have checked the other thread that LoyceV merited, and anyone can do the same thing, a merited post can be merited for many reasons, and most times I have seen false claims getting merited, the OP showed proof of the gambling account and that's great to be honest, anyone could have sent that a merit.

But the fact is Fortune Jack is against duplicate Betting, it's on their ToS and I believe that's why they cancel OP's game even when he won, it is invalid because he broke the rules.

Op might have been disappointed or upset about his losses which is normal but to accuse a casino of a lawsuit issue should be followed by evidence and proof to support it. FortuneJack also has the right to restrict suspicious activities that go against its TOS.
About the merit, meriting could be given because of different reasons and I don't think we should come up with a certain conclusion. Anyone could actually merit a topic if it catches their interest so I don't think there's an issue regarding that.

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Quote from: Hamphser on April 28, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

So you could see that its been merited by LoyceV which i could say that he had proven out some considerable proof.

Don't mistake my Merit for an endorsement. It means nothing more than "I think this post is worth reading". Draw your own conclusions.

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Quote from: Hamphser on April 28, 2023, 02:53:05 PM

Quote from: QueenVera on April 28, 2023, 02:46:55 PM

I feel so bad about how people come out boldly to talk ill about the business of another and from the look of things, it seems you were paid to do or make this post against fortunejack and these were just assumptions by myself and there is no way you should come up with an account with two red trust and expect people to believe the things you say without any prove of evidence and still think so full of yourself.

If you truly want to help people pass a helping information and a very important information like this, then you should also do well to show evidence of the things you've said so far and I'm sorry if this rumor aren't true, I'm sure your account might earn more red trust from this post.

Try to look on what link he had given on OP which is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-making-120000-dollars-disappear-from-my-account-5368279
So you could see that its been merited by LoyceV which i could say that he had proven out some considerable proof.

Seeing on the link given it was indeed already 2 years ago but it turns out to be still that unresolved? Some users stating that this issue might have that private
settlement or we arent really know that its been resolved already. This is why then it would really be none of our business but its
really that good if this one had been clarified out and closed this case or issue completely but it seems we aren't that going to that point.

This person is bold for creating another thread, he can't say he never got any answer from Fortune Jack team all this while, I guess he is mad still about the loss, at first I thought someone must have paid him to ruin FortuneJack's name but that's not looking like it.

I have checked the other thread that LoyceV merited, and anyone can do the same thing, a merited post can be merited for many reasons, and most times I have seen false claims getting merited, the OP showed proof of the gambling account and that's great to be honest, anyone could have send that a merit.

But the fact is Fortune Jack is against duplicate Betting, it's on their ToS and I believe that's why they cancel OP's game even when he won, it is invalid because he broke the rules.

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Quote from: QueenVera on April 28, 2023, 02:46:55 PM

I feel so bad about how people come out boldly to talk ill about the business of another and from the look of things, it seems you were paid to do or make this post against fortunejack and these were just assumptions by myself and there is no way you should come up with an account with two red trust and expect people to believe the things you say without any prove of evidence and still think so full of yourself.

If you truly want to help people pass a helping information and a very important information like this, then you should also do well to show evidence of the things you've said so far and I'm sorry if this rumor aren't true, I'm sure your account might earn more red trust from this post.

Try to look on what link he had given on OP which is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-making-120000-dollars-disappear-from-my-account-5368279
So you could see that its been merited by LoyceV which i could say that he had proven out some considerable proof.

Seeing on the link given it was indeed already 2 years ago but it turns out to be still that unresolved? Some users stating that this issue might have that private
settlement or we arent really know that its been resolved already. This is why then it would really be none of our business but its
really that good if this one had been clarified out and closed this case or issue completely but it seems we arent that going to that point.

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I feel so bad about how people come out boldly to talk ill about the business of another and from the look of things, it seems you were paid to do or make this post against fortunejack and these were just assumptions by myself and there is no way you should come up with an account with two red trust and expect people to believe the things you say without any prove of evidence and still think so full of yourself.

If you truly want to help people pass a helping information and a very important information like this, then you should also do well to show evidence of the things you've said so far and I'm sorry if this rumor aren't true, I'm sure your account might earn more red trust from this post.

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Quote from: Yatsan on April 26, 2023, 05:58:53 PM

But I would understand those people who would already avoid this gambling platform simply because of the impression this instance have created wherein it even resulted into a lawsuit than to be solved internally IF the accusation is true.

Of course... You want someone to pay out when accepting bets right?

Quote from: Yatsan on April 26, 2023, 05:58:53 PM

In our country, this is the pressumption of Innocence. But I would understand those people who would already avoid this gambling platform simply because of the impression this instance have created wherein it even resulted into a lawsuit than to be solved internally IF the accusation is true.

Which country?
Any platform accepting bets and refusing to pay is a scam, that simple. Add to it deleting a player's betting history...

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OP's bets could be considered null and void as per the contract he agreed to when he signed up. As far as I know, winnings are not awarded by the casino in such cases.

Personally, I think duplicate bets should be automatically deleted or not be allowed to be made in the first place and a notification to be made to the user (Which the user cannot turn off)- but that's just a matter of user convenience. The fact remains that FJ has provably cancelled such kinds of duplicate bets in the past and has openly stated to do so in its past TOS should have given OP some kind of forewarning.

From a strictly legal standpoint, OP is in the wrong, I would think. However he claims to have opened a lawsuit so lets see how that goes.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 26, 2023, 03:07:44 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2023, 12:28:25 PM

It doesn`t matter what i believe in. If the OP works with the court - its decision will be the only truth. And, as you noticed, Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be. Both the OP and the casino think that they are right, so the court will solve this problem and tell us who is right. We have no other ways to make a decision.

When it comes into these conditions then it would really be just that hard on making out some conclusions specially if it does really need up some legal approach or involvement since both parties are really
giving off their reasoning which means that it would really be needing on legal decision but in overall if we do talk about FJ's history and reputation out of this forum then we know that it is one of the most
reputable and old running sites or platform on this space which it is really that hard to believe that they would be scamming out users. Yes, it does have some issues back in the past but it did really
be able to fix and resolved it out but there are really that issues arent something that could be easily be handled and resolved which it would really be resulted on something like this.
Now, lets see on how they would be handling it out considering the amount involved is a bit huge but its impossible that they would be putting up their business just for this amount.

Yes. On the one hand we see well-known casino and on the other hand the OP, without any reputation(it is just fact, i don`t want to see that the OP cheates us). The sum is big for the gambler but it is small enough to the casino i think and i sure that it isn`t a problem to pay it due to the court`s decision.

Quote from: Yatsan on April 26, 2023, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2023, 12:28:25 PM

It doesn`t matter what i believe in. If the OP works with the court - its decision will be the only truth. And, as you noticed, Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be. Both the OP and the casino think that they are right, so the court will solve this problem and tell us who is right. We have no other ways to make a decision.

In our country, this is the pressumption of Innocence. But I would understand those people who would already avoid this gambling platform simply because of the impression this instance have created wherein it even resulted into a lawsuit than to be solved internally IF the accusation is true. It should always be the platform to make an adjustment as much as possible but if this is a make up story against fortunejack, this would be a huge problem to both of them. On the end of casino, through the process their players would leave because of fear, even if they are not yet proven for the mistake and even I guess even if this will just be an accusation there will be a negative image to this platform because of FOMO. On the other hand, once proven for the other way around, for sure platform would make use of all ways to compensate for their loss due to this instance.

If the OP couldn`t solve this problem with FJ without court - it means that the both sides agrees with the court`s decision. So we have just wait a bit.
PS. I don`t think that FJ will lose lots of their gamblers. The most part even don`t know about this situation i think.

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Quote from: PaperWallet on April 23, 2023, 01:16:02 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on April 23, 2023, 12:34:55 PM

[...]but not sharing any evidence of your ongoing lawsuit is just weird op [...] and your messed up attitude aren't doing you any favours op. Think!

Thank you for pointing this out. Could you please explain what favours am I missing out on?

@Haunebu no answer? Seems I am not missing out on anything.

Quote from: PaperWallet on April 22, 2023, 11:31:50 PM

Quote from: tusandii on April 22, 2023, 03:29:33 AM

Whether what the OP said is right or wrong, we have to find out all the information ourselves so that there are no misunderstandings.

Ok me and others here are waiting for you when you find all the information yourself, please keep us posted.

Any news @tusandii? Have you found out?

A lot of the posters here just came up and posted without making any interactions with others....

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 07:58:55 AM

there is no such thing as caught in the act when it comes to online gambling casinos

Well, they've been caught deleting my betting history, little by little, since it was unthinkable for them that I was screen recording everything on my account (which I was). This is not something a honest organisation would do to say the least.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2023, 12:28:25 PM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 07:58:55 AM

Quote from: mak013 on April 25, 2023, 06:38:32 AM

I`m surprised. I see the FortuneJack about 5 years at least and i think that it is good casino with good reputation. I played their few times and didn`t like it but i can`t say something bad about it. I hadn`t any problems with deposit and withdraw, the bets counted correctly and i didn`t contact with the support. But it was small money.
I can`t say anything bad about casino or about the OP but as i see they both sure that they are right. In such situation i think that only the court law will decide who is to blame.

Do you believe that the court knows the right answer? It's very hard to tell, there is no such thing as caught in the act when it comes to online gambling casinos, even if their games are audited it still doesn't mean they won't have their way of cheating, you can never win a gambling casino when it comes to what is right and what is wrong, it's their pace, their home, their house, you can't beat them at their own game and there is no proof of anything.

Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be, I doubt this can be proven even if they are into scamming, I've never use the casino before and the few ones I use am satisfied with them, if Fortune Jack sucks on your end find another online casino, there are too many options this days.

It doesn`t matter what i believe in. If the OP works with the court - its decision will be the only truth. And, as you noticed, Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be. Both the OP and the casino think that they are right, so the court will solve this problem and tell us who is right. We have no other ways to make a decision.

In our country, this is the pressumption of Innocence. But I would understand those people who would already avoid this gambling platform simply because of the impression this instance have created wherein it even resulted into a lawsuit than to be solved internally IF the accusation is true. It should always be the platform to make an adjustment as much as possible but if this is a make up story against fortunejack, this would be a huge problem to both of them. On the end of casino, through the process their players would leave because of fear, even if they are not yet proven for the mistake and even I guess even if this will just be an accusation there will be a negative image to this platform because of FOMO. On the other hand, once proven for the other way around, for sure platform would make use of all ways to compensate for their loss due to this instance.

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Quote from: mak013 on April 26, 2023, 12:28:25 PM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 25, 2023, 07:58:55 AM

Quote from: mak013 on April 25, 2023, 06:38:32 AM

I`m surprised. I see the FortuneJack about 5 years at least and i think that it is good casino with good reputation. I played their few times and didn`t like it but i can`t say something bad about it. I hadn`t any problems with deposit and withdraw, the bets counted correctly and i didn`t contact with the support. But it was small money.
I can`t say anything bad about casino or about the OP but as i see they both sure that they are right. In such situation i think that only the court law will decide who is to blame.

Do you believe that the court knows the right answer? It's very hard to tell, there is no such thing as caught in the act when it comes to online gambling casinos, even if their games are audited it still doesn't mean they won't have their way of cheating, you can never win a gambling casino when it comes to what is right and what is wrong, it's their pace, their home, their house, you can't beat them at their own game and there is no proof of anything.

Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be, I doubt this can be proven even if they are into scamming, I've never use the casino before and the few ones I use am satisfied with them, if Fortune Jack sucks on your end find another online casino, there are too many options this days.

It doesn`t matter what i believe in. If the OP works with the court - its decision will be the only truth. And, as you noticed, Fortune Jack is not a scam until proven to be. Both the OP and the casino think that they are right, so the court will solve this problem and tell us who is right. We have no other ways to make a decision.

When it comes into these conditions then it would really be just that hard on making out some conclusions specially if it does really need up some legal approach or involvement since both parties are really
giving off their reasoning which means that it would really be needing on legal decision but in overall if we do talk about FJ's history and reputation out of this forum then we know that it is one of the most
reputable and old running sites or platform on this space which it is really that hard to believe that they would be scamming out users. Yes, it does have some issues back in the past but it did really
be able to fix and resolved it out but there are really that issues arent something that could be easily be handled and resolved which it would really be resulted on something like this.
Now, lets see on how they would be handling it out considering the amount involved is a bit huge but its impossible that they would be putting up their business just for this amount.

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