Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC🏎Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 417. (Read 407504 times)

Exactly simple is the key in this.

So u will have more of them dont bother with new design keep it just the way it is.

wetsuit, don't believe these guys. After they implement their "new designs", the site may look sleek and nice indeed, but it usually becomes impossible to play there. Keep it clean and simple as it is...

When u say this, do u feel confident ?

Me again. Pardon my paranoia but I think that if it is important for this category of sites to be provably fair, then it's reasonable for us users to doubt the fairness of these websites.

While going through the log I started to keep (less than 2 months ago) of free rolls I noticed that the server seed hash was different from the one originally in the pop-up before the roll for one of my free rolls. Has the server changed its original seed because this one led to a good number? Maybe I made a mistake when noting down the value, but I doubt it because I tend to be careful, and also, the values before and after match, and this particular value does not resemble any other value in my list. I'll continue to log these values and check them, will keep you posted if I notice this again for any of my previously logged values or values in the future.

Folks, if the site says it's provably fair it doesn't have to mean the site really has to be fair. I wonder, how many people check their rolls? How many people use their own client seeds? What is the probability that when someone rarely goes to check a roll, that it's really that one good free roll the server might want to fake? And how many users check that the server seed hash in the "previous roll" section is the same one originally shown (because if they don't the server can freely change its seed if it doesn't like the outcome, but the section will still check out with the roll verifier)?

I don't believe there should be any problems with the multiply rolls - there, the house's part is clearly cut and it doesn't have to cheat because it always wins on average, but it would be rational (if dishonest) - from a profit maximizing perspective - for this to be the case for the free rolls.

Improvements to the site to prevent this from being possible:

* Maybe log the values (if the user requests this) to some place which is not under the control of the server (like for example sending the values controlled by the server which are to be used for the next roll to the user, by email), like so: after each roll, send the user an email with this data:
  1.) client seed, server seed, nonce, server seed hash AND the corresponding rolled number generated
  2.) server seed hash, nonce, server seed that are to be used for the next roll, and which the user will be able to find in his next email (together with the server seed and the resulted rolled number)

* Make a code (maybe a JS the user can paste in the browser inspector so that it will be under the user's control) that will automatically check all rolls for a user. It should also be made to check the pre-roll vs post-roll values because if the server decides to change its server seed, then the "previous roll" section will check out, just that it will not be fair because the original server seed might have led to a good number...

These should be IMO more important than having a nice design.

A nicer UI.
The current look does not reflect its awesomeness.
Very bland.
PM me if you want a new design

What improvements would you suggest ?

It's very nice of you to make this website. But a lot still need to be improved, just keep up

That sounds simple enough, I shall look into implementing that.



I have pre-approval from adsense.

Why r u using adsense on gambling site ? This is violation of adsense TOS. They'll ban u if it comes to their notice.

Another thing that doesn't look right (in my opinion at least) is the fact that the previous roll details are gone if you refresh the page. Those should be kept forever until the next roll (they surely shouldn't take that much space). Otherwise the user might be prevented from checking the previous roll if for some reason the page is reloaded (either by himself or the server).

Also keep in mind that freebitco.in's purported average payout per free roll is about 5-10 times the most common one you're likely to get when averaged over long periods when you "should" be getting the higher prizes as well. (I haven't got myself anything over 9993 and I will believe that is possible when I will see it AND when it will match the site's purported claim of the frequency of said number over long periods of playing.)

And what's the best faucet in your opinion? It should be the one paying most for playing a realistic amount of time (let's say it should be 10 free rolls per day for a site like freebitco.in). It's irrelevant to most people that it doesn't look great. Neither does eBay, but people don't go there to admire gradients. So is there another faucet paying better per 24h vs. freebitco.in where one plays 10 rolls per day?

 Yes but easy name to remember can't be only reason , I mean like I said , its not the best faucet , its not the best dice nor its not the best affiliate program. So why this website and not something that looks better,  gives more coins as faucet and has a better dice game? There is only one example in my mind which is primedice which already makes good bucks probably even more than freebitcoin but I really wondered why this thing got this famous. It definetly doesnt deserve to

A easy to remember domain name?
Btw, putting a dice game on the faucet make its users stay on the page for longer, and that gives the ad more exposure.

 What I do not understand is that , this is a bitcoin faucet of sorts with a dice site put in , it looks horrible with the desing , has a lot of useless junk ads and so on. What does this website has that makes it this much famous? I mean its not the faucet because there are tons of them , hell even better payouts with much better design , its not dice because there are ton of better dice sites , its not affiliate because there are better affiliate systems. Best example would be primedice , it has affiliate faucet and dice all together , maybe it does better but comparing the two would be funny.

 So long story short , what makes this unoriginal , horrible looking , useless website so famous and gets this much traffic? Its absurd that this website is known in bitcoin community and not long forgotten like many others.

That is exactly what happens now. The server seed, nonce and balance are updated in the same mysql statement, so if a roll is unsuccesful (ie. the balance remains unchanged), the server seed and nonce is re-used in the next roll.

OK, so to be more constructive, here's my current best solution: simply make sure that the server seed and nonce will not change for a user until they are successfully used for a roll. This would make it impossible for the site to "skip" certain combinations if the outcome is too beneficial to a user.

> completely and provably fair as much as possible.

What I said above could be easily fixed. I can propose multiple ways but I'm sure the owner could think of them too.

> The odds of hitting the higher numbers and 10,000 have been calculated as well. The chances are very slim, but possible. I have seen a lot of the higher numbers hit, but not 10,000. It is very hard and rare to hit that for a reason; the site couldn't survive if people hit 10,000 a couple times a week.

Yes, it is 1 in 20,000 for 10,000 and for all numbers >= 9994 it is about 1 in 1600. Based on my summing of my own rolls and of two other individuals (users of the site) I have reasons to suspect what I said above. I can't be 100% sure for now, because our combined samples are too small for now to draw a definitive conclusion (but it's not encouraging).

> the site couldn't survive if people hit 10,000 a couple times a week

Actually it should be entirely a matter of sustainability through ads. If the ad revenue per roll covers the roll expense (paid to user) then it should be OK. What you're saying does not make sense considering the site can have lots and lots of traffic, or not very much (and hence there should be a lot of 10,000 hits or not many). And the expense per roll can be easily computed from that table considering that all numbers will be hit with their corresponding average probability over the many rolls the site experiences.

> If there is any possible way of being cheated- I would guarantee that it is not there because of wetsuit, and if he knew about it- it would be fixed.

I'm not here to attack wetsuit for giving us free bitcoin (lol) and even if my supposition were true, the site would still be better than most faucets. But I would appreciate honesty especially considering that the site made me a long term fan (using it for many many months now) because of the allure of a higher prize...

The site's dev/owner is a trusted member of our community, and he has done his best to make things completely and provably fair as much as possible. There has also been much analysis of the free rolls and this site in general already done. The odds of hitting the higher numbers and 10,000 have been calculated as well. The chances are very slim, but possible. I have seen a lot of the higher numbers hit, but not 10,000. It is very hard and rare to hit that for a reason; the site couldn't survive if people hit 10,000 a couple times a week.

In short- wetsuit has done everything possible to maintain fairness with the site- even making changes to the algorithm when better choices have been brought up, and adding a roll verifier. If there is any possible way of being cheated- I would guarantee that it is not there because of wetsuit, and if he knew about it- it would be fixed.

-snarlpill

The chance to hit 10000 is low at 0.005%.
But if there are 200 active users, each making 10 rolls a day, we should have 3 "10000" rolls a month on average.