FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1073.

Kakmakr

legendary

Activity: 3430

Merit: 1957

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: BTCevo on October 03, 2018, 01:49:31 AM

Quote from: jackg on October 02, 2018, 02:12:00 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2018, 01:30:16 PM

I guess these words may be interpreted as “the competition has been always here.”

I didn’t know about the bounty you’ve mentioned, but now I’m sure it's worth thinking on the ideas.

I can't help thinking that there have to be guaranteed ways of spotting bots. I mean, I know from your earlier post that bots can be re-coded in a matter of a few hours and thus they can adjust to any new implementation pretty quickly, but I think there has to be an idea of something which is immune to that.

Best way is to shut up shop and walk away (or in wetsuit's case, run away) Grin

.

Onto the issue, it is (or should be) well known that a lot of popular sites have 'security' bounties available. Bitcointalk has one too for example.
The issue with bots is that you can never be 100% immune to them because they will always find a loop hole in the system that they can exploit...

What do you mean wetsuit is runaway? Yes, we do not knoe anything about him, just because he seldom come up here saying words but it does not mean that he is run away. May be he is getting a new project again and I think his freebitco.in is real success site, from advertisement site becoming a real gambling site

What am I bothering since the competition begin the lottery prize is cut down into half as the first prize. Just want to see the old lottery prize again Grin

Wetsuit is much smarter than that. Wink

Why would you dump a income generating business like Freebitco.in that would sustain you for years for a quick grab?

The site seems to be self sustainable and it is generating a good income for the owner, so there are no reason why the owner should dump such an asset.

He might sell the site for a large profit to someone else, if it becomes too much of a hassle. Wink

BTCevo

legendary

Activity: 1834

Merit: 1008

Quote from: jackg on October 02, 2018, 02:12:00 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2018, 01:30:16 PM

I guess these words may be interpreted as “the competition has been always here.”

I didn’t know about the bounty you’ve mentioned, but now I’m sure it's worth thinking on the ideas.

I can't help thinking that there have to be guaranteed ways of spotting bots. I mean, I know from your earlier post that bots can be re-coded in a matter of a few hours and thus they can adjust to any new implementation pretty quickly, but I think there has to be an idea of something which is immune to that.

Best way is to shut up shop and walk away (or in wetsuit's case, run away) Grin

.

Onto the issue, it is (or should be) well known that a lot of popular sites have 'security' bounties available. Bitcointalk has one too for example.
The issue with bots is that you can never be 100% immune to them because they will always find a loop hole in the system that they can exploit...

What do you mean wetsuit is runaway? Yes, we do not knoe anything about him, just because he seldom come up here saying words but it does not mean that he is run away. May be he is getting a new project again and I think his freebitco.in is real success site, from advertisement site becoming a real gambling site

What am I bothering since the competition begin the lottery prize is cut down into half as the first prize. Just want to see the old lottery prize again Grin

jackg

copper member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 3071

https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Betwrong on October 02, 2018, 01:30:16 PM

I guess these words may be interpreted as “the competition has been always here.”

I didn’t know about the bounty you’ve mentioned, but now I’m sure it's worth thinking on the ideas.

I can't help thinking that there have to be guaranteed ways of spotting bots. I mean, I know from your earlier post that bots can be re-coded in a matter of a few hours and thus they can adjust to any new implementation pretty quickly, but I think there has to be an idea of something which is immune to that.

Best way is to shut up shop and walk away (or in wetsuit's case, run away) Grin

.

Onto the issue, it is (or should be) well known that a lot of popular sites have 'security' bounties available. Bitcointalk has one too for example.
The issue with bots is that you can never be 100% immune to them because they will always find a loop hole in the system that they can exploit...

Betwrong

legendary

Activity: 3234

Merit: 2112

I stand with Ukraine.

Quote from: TheQuin on October 01, 2018, 09:21:57 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 01, 2018, 12:21:13 PM

P.S.
You guys have never replied to my proposal regarding eliminating bots from the game. Have you solved the problem?

The problem is an ongoing battle and there is never going to be an outright winner. We are always doing more to try and combat the bots. If anyone comes to us with information or ideas we can successfully implement and save us money we always pay a bounty. I don't think trying to turn that into a competition will really work.

I guess these words may be interpreted as “the competition has been always here.”

I didn’t know about the bounty you’ve mentioned, but now I’m sure it's worth thinking on the ideas.

I can't help thinking that there have to be guaranteed ways of spotting bots. I mean, I know from your earlier post that bots can be re-coded in a matter of a few hours and thus they can adjust to any new implementation pretty quickly, but I think there has to be an idea of something which is immune to that.

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: Betwrong on October 01, 2018, 12:21:13 PM

P.S.
You guys have never replied to my proposal regarding eliminating bots from the game. Have you solved the problem?

The problem is an ongoing battle and there is never going to be an outright winner. We are always doing more to try and combat the bots. If anyone comes to us with information or ideas we can successfully implement and save us money we always pay a bounty. I don't think trying to turn that into a competition will really work.

Betwrong

legendary

Activity: 3234

Merit: 2112

I stand with Ukraine.

Quote from: Warfare on September 30, 2018, 02:33:54 PM

LOTTERY ROUND 174
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 137 tickets.
#1 won 0.32861185 BTC with 176,044 tickets.

Congrats to the winners!

Although 9 out of 10 winners had much more tickets than I did, there was one with just 137 tickets winning 0.16430593 BTC! If it was some unknown site I wouldn't bother with buying 1k+ tickets every lottery round. But I know that everything's fair on FreeBitco.in and that's why I keep buying those tickets hoping to win one lucky day.

P.S.
You guys have never replied to my proposal regarding eliminating bots from the game. Have you solved the problem?

Kakmakr

legendary

Activity: 3430

Merit: 1957

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: jackg on September 30, 2018, 04:34:04 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 30, 2018, 03:03:55 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on September 29, 2018, 09:11:05 PM

The Trezor has been replaced with a Ledger and as stated on the site that is in addition to encrypted paper wallets. A multisig solution is not any more secure if there is only one owner of the business.

Many people do trust us with large deposits, currently over 1400 BTC. You can do some simple blockchain analysis from our deposit address https://btc.com/1Fu3iBR2EMQWeYGi3XvrPmcPUkne8ZWj9h to see how active it is.

Multisig is also impractical if you are more than one business owner, because both parties are constantly needed to do tx's and we know this is not the ideal scenario. People get sick or they go on leave or they are busy with many other projects and this restricts the daily operation.

Also, what happens if one of the partners suddenly dies?

Nah, I still think the hardware wallet is more flexible and more practical in this kind of scenario and the backup paper wallets is the best way to secure the deposits. Wink

You're supporting me without knowing it now. A 2 of 3 multisig is a perfect solution and that is, indeed, for if someone dies... If wetsuit's dead what are you going to do if you have money on there?
So with a 2 of 3 multisig you only need to cosigners so you dhouldn't keep having to interrrupt one of them...
And @thequin, that address dowsn't seem to have too many large depositors, the most I saw was about 0.21BTC. There's a difference between being trusted to store someone's balance and being trusted to store someone's change....

If I analyse this site correctly, Freebitco.in is a one man operation with some "helpers" with limited access and not enough "trust" in there for these people to have multisig access to the cold storage. So I think Wetsuit did not opt for that option, because of that reason.

This might even have been a pet project that became hugely successful and now needs more attention than what Wetsuit anticipated. He might have other projects that needs his attention or even a full-time job. Wink

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: jackg on September 30, 2018, 12:13:56 PM

Wetsuit sleeps a really long time then...
If it would take both the cosigners 24 hours to sign a transaction, we wouldn't get anything done. I twould be fater for them to fly to the BVI and pick up the keys themselves...

You seem to have missed the within part of that.

Warfare

sr. member

Activity: 1019

Merit: 256

LOTTERY ROUND 174
This round, the winner with the lowest number of tickets is #2 with 137 tickets.
#1 won 0.32861185 BTC with 176,044 tickets.

jackg

copper member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 3071

https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 05:45:45 AM

They contacted me to ask if it was OK to deposit such amounts for the interest and explained their reasons. I'll respect their privacy and just say that they have money because they have sense.

I reckon wetsuit would be more than happy for them to try to turn to the multiply tab though

.

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 07:06:52 AM

Yes, it was the same person, they did withdraw but I'd guess to a different address. They were just being considerate and asking if it was OK to deposit large amounts for short periods of time just to earn interest. That is an amount above what is normally in the hot wallet so I told them it would we aim to process larger withdrawals within 24hrs. They were pleased as other sites often take over a week. If we had a multisig wallet it would be harder to provide that level of service.

Wetsuit sleeps a really long time then...
If it would take both the cosigners 24 hours to sign a transaction, we wouldn't get anything done. I twould be fater for them to fly to the BVI and pick up the keys themselves...

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: Thirdspace on September 30, 2018, 06:58:42 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 04:50:16 AM

This tx https://btc.com/b3a315142733b3c4aa52a84a2f63b1bc9474d161161850d5e4004d43be5db3b8 from only 5 days ago is someone depositing 137.57465000 BTC and it automatically getting put into cold storage.

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 05:45:45 AM

They contacted me to ask if it was OK to deposit such amounts for the interest and explained their reasons. I'll respect their privacy and just say that they have money because they have sense.

why they contacted you to ask such question if that wasn't their first deposit?
am I correct to say that... because I see 136.93473000 BTC deposited to that address 2 weeks earlier
if they didn't withdraw the first then total for 274 BTC worth ~$1.8M Shocked

close to 0.03 BTC daily return

Yes, it was the same person, they did withdraw but I'd guess to a different address. They were just being considerate and asking if it was OK to deposit large amounts for short periods of time just to earn interest. That is an amount above what is normally in the hot wallet so I told them it would we aim to process larger withdrawals within 24hrs. They were pleased as other sites often take over a week. If we had a multisig wallet it would be harder to provide that level of service.

Thirdspace

hero member

Activity: 1232

Merit: 738

Mixing reinvented for your privacy | chipmixer.com

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 04:50:16 AM

This tx https://btc.com/b3a315142733b3c4aa52a84a2f63b1bc9474d161161850d5e4004d43be5db3b8 from only 5 days ago is someone depositing 137.57465000 BTC and it automatically getting put into cold storage.

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 05:45:45 AM

They contacted me to ask if it was OK to deposit such amounts for the interest and explained their reasons. I'll respect their privacy and just say that they have money because they have sense.

why they contacted you to ask such question if that wasn't their first deposit?
am I correct to say that... because I see 136.93473000 BTC deposited to that address 2 weeks earlier
if they didn't withdraw the first then total for 274 BTC worth ~$1.8M Shocked

close to 0.03 BTC daily return

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: jackg on September 30, 2018, 05:28:00 AM

I mean it'll get good interest, however that is probably someone with a lot more money than sense... Unless it's a start of a larger portfolio they have of investments of course if they were mining quite early on...

They contacted me to ask if it was OK to deposit such amounts for the interest and explained their reasons. I'll respect their privacy and just say that they have money because they have sense.

jackg

copper member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 3071

https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: TheQuin on September 30, 2018, 04:50:16 AM

Quote from: jackg on September 30, 2018, 04:34:04 AM

And @thequin, that address dowsn't seem to have too many large depositors, the most I saw was about 0.21BTC. There's a difference between being trusted to store someone's balance and being trusted to store someone's change....

This tx https://btc.com/b3a315142733b3c4aa52a84a2f63b1bc9474d161161850d5e4004d43be5db3b8 from only 5 days ago is someone depositing 137.57465000 BTC and it automatically getting put into cold storage.

I mean it'll get good interest, however that is probably someone with a lot more money than sense... Unless it's a start of a larger portfolio they have of investments of course if they were mining quite early on...

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: jackg on September 30, 2018, 04:34:04 AM

And @thequin, that address dowsn't seem to have too many large depositors, the most I saw was about 0.21BTC. There's a difference between being trusted to store someone's balance and being trusted to store someone's change....

This tx https://btc.com/b3a315142733b3c4aa52a84a2f63b1bc9474d161161850d5e4004d43be5db3b8 from only 5 days ago is someone depositing 137.57465000 BTC and it automatically getting put into cold storage.

jackg

copper member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 3071

https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 30, 2018, 03:03:55 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on September 29, 2018, 09:11:05 PM

The Trezor has been replaced with a Ledger and as stated on the site that is in addition to encrypted paper wallets. A multisig solution is not any more secure if there is only one owner of the business.

Many people do trust us with large deposits, currently over 1400 BTC. You can do some simple blockchain analysis from our deposit address https://btc.com/1Fu3iBR2EMQWeYGi3XvrPmcPUkne8ZWj9h to see how active it is.

Multisig is also impractical if you are more than one business owner, because both parties are constantly needed to do tx's and we know this is not the ideal scenario. People get sick or they go on leave or they are busy with many other projects and this restricts the daily operation.

Also, what happens if one of the partners suddenly dies?

Nah, I still think the hardware wallet is more flexible and more practical in this kind of scenario and the backup paper wallets is the best way to secure the deposits. Wink

You're supporting me without knowing it now. A 2 of 3 multisig is a perfect solution and that is, indeed, for if someone dies... If wetsuit's dead what are you going to do if you have money on there?
So with a 2 of 3 multisig you only need to cosigners so you dhouldn't keep having to interrrupt one of them...
And @thequin, that address dowsn't seem to have too many large depositors, the most I saw was about 0.21BTC. There's a difference between being trusted to store someone's balance and being trusted to store someone's change....

Kakmakr

legendary

Activity: 3430

Merit: 1957

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: TheQuin on September 29, 2018, 09:11:05 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 29, 2018, 03:28:18 AM

Quote from: jackg on September 28, 2018, 06:55:26 AM

Quote from: STT on September 28, 2018, 12:26:53 AM

^^ This whole point underlines a large part of why is crypto used. Without our strange global central bank system fixing rates so low when really the natural layout would have most western world rates at about 5%, crypto would be far less popular otherwise and people would just leave cash in the bank.
As it is its quite certain people will lose money to inflation even after interest rates, its true in USA, EU, UK and certainly I think Japanese YEN has horrible problems with its currency value longer term. Of course over night they might beat crypto for some stability but otherwise they are doomed to lose value until each government can repay debts properly, unwind QE programs and put interest rates above inflation. I forget the figure but USA pays billions more in debt interest on their 21 trillion owed every time rates go up, so you know the people who hold dollar are the weakest link, will lose money out their pocket just sitting there over years.

The issue I and probably quite a few others have with investing here though is that it's not multisigged or anything.
Wetsuit has contorl over several hundred btc in user balances and (according to the website) he's sotring it in one trezor.... I wouldn't say that was a particularly safew way to go if you ask me.

I seriously doubt that Wetsuit would divulge the full extent of his cold storage solution, but a hardware wallet like Trezor is definitely one of the best solutions out there, because he wants easy access to the coins. Each of these hardware devices are backed with a Seed to recover the wallet, in the event that something goes wrong.

What other cold storage would you suggest for a operation like this?

The Trezor has been replaced with a Ledger and as stated on the site that is in addition to encrypted paper wallets. A multisig solution is not any more secure if there is only one owner of the business.

Many people do trust us with large deposits, currently over 1400 BTC. You can do some simple blockchain analysis from our deposit address https://btc.com/1Fu3iBR2EMQWeYGi3XvrPmcPUkne8ZWj9h to see how active it is.

Multisig is also impractical if you are more than one business owner, because both parties are constantly needed to do tx's and we know this is not the ideal scenario. People get sick or they go on leave or they are busy with many other projects and this restricts the daily operation.

Also, what happens if one of the partners suddenly dies?

Nah, I still think the hardware wallet is more flexible and more practical in this kind of scenario and the backup paper wallets is the best way to secure the deposits. Wink

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 882

Freebitco.in Support https://bit.ly/2I9BVS2

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 29, 2018, 03:28:18 AM

Quote from: jackg on September 28, 2018, 06:55:26 AM

Quote from: STT on September 28, 2018, 12:26:53 AM

^^ This whole point underlines a large part of why is crypto used. Without our strange global central bank system fixing rates so low when really the natural layout would have most western world rates at about 5%, crypto would be far less popular otherwise and people would just leave cash in the bank.
As it is its quite certain people will lose money to inflation even after interest rates, its true in USA, EU, UK and certainly I think Japanese YEN has horrible problems with its currency value longer term. Of course over night they might beat crypto for some stability but otherwise they are doomed to lose value until each government can repay debts properly, unwind QE programs and put interest rates above inflation. I forget the figure but USA pays billions more in debt interest on their 21 trillion owed every time rates go up, so you know the people who hold dollar are the weakest link, will lose money out their pocket just sitting there over years.

The issue I and probably quite a few others have with investing here though is that it's not multisigged or anything.
Wetsuit has contorl over several hundred btc in user balances and (according to the website) he's sotring it in one trezor.... I wouldn't say that was a particularly safew way to go if you ask me.

I seriously doubt that Wetsuit would divulge the full extent of his cold storage solution, but a hardware wallet like Trezor is definitely one of the best solutions out there, because he wants easy access to the coins. Each of these hardware devices are backed with a Seed to recover the wallet, in the event that something goes wrong.

What other cold storage would you suggest for a operation like this?

The Trezor has been replaced with a Ledger and as stated on the site that is in addition to encrypted paper wallets. A multisig solution is not any more secure if there is only one owner of the business.

Many people do trust us with large deposits, currently over 1400 BTC. You can do some simple blockchain analysis from our deposit address https://btc.com/1Fu3iBR2EMQWeYGi3XvrPmcPUkne8ZWj9h to see how active it is.

broke_tradah

jr. member

Activity: 348

Merit: 6

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 29, 2018, 03:28:18 AM

I seriously doubt that Wetsuit would divulge the full extent of his cold storage solution, but a hardware wallet like Trezor is definitely one of the best solutions out there, because he wants easy access to the coins. Each of these hardware devices are backed with a Seed to recover the wallet, in the event that something goes wrong.

What other cold storage would you suggest for a operation like this?

Neither. Multi-sig wallets are the only option. There is no need for cold storage at all in that scenario. But security isnt what wetsuit cares about anyway. All he cares about is that you continue to dump BTC to his addresses. Thats it. Nothing more.

Quote from: Mirae on September 29, 2018, 03:42:20 AM

this site is still alive ? holy moly

No not really, but the owners would like you to think that way. It's only a few idiots dumping BTC into it atm. Thus thats why there are such ludicrous contests going on atm to attract new income.

Mirae

member

Activity: 416

Merit: 27

this site is still alive ? holy moly

Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1073. (Read 521585 times)