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Quote from: hd49728 on September 02, 2021, 10:02:58 PM

Quote from: AndySt on September 02, 2021, 06:30:36 PM

I think that for this season, if the health of both goalkeepers is in order, then the principle of rotation will be applied, when, for example, Navas plays in the championship, and Donnarumma plays in the cup matches or vice versa.

I think it is what will happen in this season. If Keylor Navas won't make serious mistakes, Donnarumma will not be able to overtake Keylor position. He will need to spend a first season in PSG as a substitution for Keylor.

Donnarumma is a great goalkeeper. We have seen his ability before. With his help, Italy has won the Euros this season. And Italy has conceded far fewer goals than any other team. My guess is that Pochettino will give him the responsibility of goalkeeper of important matches.

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Quote from: AndySt on September 02, 2021, 06:30:36 PM

I think that for this season, if the health of both goalkeepers is in order, then the principle of rotation will be applied, when, for example, Navas plays in the championship, and Donnarumma plays in the cup matches or vice versa.

I think it is what will happen in this season. If Keylor Navas won't make serious mistakes, Donnarumma will not be able to overtake Keylor position. He will need to spend a first season in PSG as a substitution for Keylor.

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In any case, no one will constantly keep the best goalkeeper of the European Championship on the bench, especially while paying a huge salary because of the amount of which Milan and his ungrateful pupil did not come together Wink

It will be interesting to see who they will bet on and who will be the main goalkeeper in the Champions League matches. However, football, like life itself, is quite changeable and any injuries or an uncertain game can make their own adjustments to this issue.

It happened with Buffon and Areloa years ago and results show that it is not a good thing. One club should have only one main goalkeeper for all matches. No main goalkeeper will make the defense system weaker. It is not good for the team in general because defenders need to work with a main goalkeeper to understand each other better.

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The experience Keylor Navas has is one of reasons he is the first choice for goalkeeper position in PSG now. However, I believe that PSG won't sign a contract with Donnarumma just to use him as a second goalkeeper. Additionally, Donnarumma won't join PSG with the intention to be a substitution for Keylor Navas.
He is talented and only lack of experience in Champions League because since his debut in Milan, AC Milan did not have a single season in Champions League. The Best player of Euro 2020 title is a good recognition for Donnarumma. He will beat Keylor and take the first position soon.

Keylor Navas is much more experienced than Donnarumma so it is only natural that PSG give him the opportunity to become the team's number one goalkeeper. Meanwhile, Donnarumma was brought to PSG as a second goalkeeper who might replace Navas as the main goalkeeper if Donnarumma's performance is better than Navas. Sooner or later Donnarumma will become PSG's main goalkeeper considering Navas is currently 34 years old. Navas' achievement with the team and his experience make him worthy of being PSG's current main goalkeeper. Donnarumma has to be patient for that.

I think that for this season, if the health of both goalkeepers is in order, then the principle of rotation will be applied, when, for example, Navas plays in the championship, and Donnarumma plays in the cup matches or vice versa. In any case, no one will constantly keep the best goalkeeper of the European Championship on the bench, especially while paying a huge salary because of the amount of which Milan and his ungrateful pupil did not come together Wink

It will be interesting to see who they will bet on and who will be the main goalkeeper in the Champions League matches. However, football, like life itself, is quite changeable and any injuries or an uncertain game can make their own adjustments to this issue.

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Quote from: acquafredda on September 01, 2021, 09:07:22 AM

Ligue 1 cannot be considered among the top-tier European Leagues.

well I agree, even the Portuguese league manages to have teams that won the champions league, and frankly PSG is simply a team that is at a very different level from other teams, and this also greatly unbalances competitiveness

Quote from: acquafredda on September 01, 2021, 09:07:22 AM

PSG still has not won anything.

now that they have lionel messi they will probably finally be able to win the champions league

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Regarding Mbappé I believe it was very stupid to not sell now because at the end of his contract the guy will leave anyway.

truth. but he is still fundamental for PSG to win the Champions League, Is a big bet the club is making by keeping him

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Quote from: acquafredda on September 01, 2021, 09:07:22 AM

Ligue 1 cannot be considered among the top-tier European Leagues.
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You should ask yourselves if this league can be competitive relying only on the Paris team.

Ligue 1 is better than many other European leagues but for sure cannot be compared to EPL, La Liga nor Serie A.
Basically, PSG is a top team that worth playing in EPL, otherwise Marseille, Lille and other teams like Nice and Lyon aren't consistent at all in their own league without talking about EL or CL matches...

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 02, 2021, 10:53:26 AM

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Moreover, their goalkeeper was not very experienced.

Keylor Navas played for Real Madrid for 5 years and won 3 consecutive UCL which most players cherish to. Even Messi couldn’t have 3 consecutive UCL titles, did he?(No disrespect to Messi) & you are saying him not much experienced Tongue

The experience Keylor Navas has is one of reasons he is the first choice for goalkeeper position in PSG now. However, I believe that PSG won't sign a contract with Donnarumma just to use him as a second goalkeeper. Additionally, Donnarumma won't join PSG with the intention to be a substitution for Keylor Navas.

He is talented and only lack of experience in Champions League because since his debut in Milan, AC Milan did not have a single season in Champions League. The Best player of Euro 2020 title is a good recognition for Donnarumma. He will beat Keylor and take the first position soon.

I also believe in Donnarumma. He is one of the best goalkeepers in this era I think. He is only 22 years old now but he is very talented and great already. Milan lost their best player actually.

I like Keylor Navas. He was awesome at Real Madrid and he is still doing a great job at PSG. He is 34 now but it is still a good age for goalkeepers. Donnarumma might have difficulty in taking his place in the starting eleven but I strongly believe that he will make it.

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It is true that there are not many strong clubs in this league. Because the players are not that qualified in general also. Only the players of some big teams are really qualified and have the capacity to play at strong teams in big leagues like the English Premier League.

Other than English premier league, which league has so many complete/strong team? More or less all the other leagues are same. Dominated by a few teams. Look at Bundesliga, Serie A, even La Liga.

I would say that Bundesliga is definitely up there, but looking at Serie A, it was finally broken, and not like ligue 1 broken because in ligue 1 lille won last year but PSG is still the best team this year, in serie A things finally truly broken because Juventus is no longer the best team and not looking like they may win the league this year neither, there is a big competition going there and even though they lost Lukaku, Inter is still looking like a great team.

I will give you bundesliga because Bayern is definitely the best team there and will win the league for sure unless some shock happens, and La liga always had 2 great competitors with Barcelona and real Madrid instead of one which made it a bit more special than having just one team, plus now ATM is playing awesome and not only they won last year but this year they are looking great too.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 02, 2021, 10:53:26 AM

The experience Keylor Navas has is one of reasons he is the first choice for goalkeeper position in PSG now. However, I believe that PSG won't sign a contract with Donnarumma just to use him as a second goalkeeper. Additionally, Donnarumma won't join PSG with the intention to be a substitution for Keylor Navas.

He is talented and only lack of experience in Champions League because since his debut in Milan, AC Milan did not have a single season in Champions League. The Best player of Euro 2020 title is a good recognition for Donnarumma. He will beat Keylor and take the first position soon.

Keylor Navas is much more experienced than Donnarumma so it is only natural that PSG give him the opportunity to become the team's number one goalkeeper. Meanwhile, Donnarumma was brought to PSG as a second goalkeeper who might replace Navas as the main goalkeeper if Donnarumma's performance is better than Navas. Sooner or later Donnarumma will become PSG's main goalkeeper considering Navas is currently 34 years old. Navas' achievement with the team and his experience make him worthy of being PSG's current main goalkeeper. Donnarumma has to be patient for that.

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Quote from: RapTarX on September 01, 2021, 12:54:46 PM

Quote from: kro55 on September 01, 2021, 08:22:03 AM

Moreover, their goalkeeper was not very experienced.

Keylor Navas played for Real Madrid for 5 years and won 3 consecutive UCL which most players cherish to. Even Messi couldn’t have 3 consecutive UCL titles, did he?(No disrespect to Messi) & you are saying him not much experienced Tongue

The experience Keylor Navas has is one of reasons he is the first choice for goalkeeper position in PSG now. However, I believe that PSG won't sign a contract with Donnarumma just to use him as a second goalkeeper. Additionally, Donnarumma won't join PSG with the intention to be a substitution for Keylor Navas.

He is talented and only lack of experience in Champions League because since his debut in Milan, AC Milan did not have a single season in Champions League. The Best player of Euro 2020 title is a good recognition for Donnarumma. He will beat Keylor and take the first position soon.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 31, 2021, 01:36:49 PM

It is true that there are not many strong clubs in this league. Because the players are not that qualified in general also. Only the players of some big teams are really qualified and have the capacity to play at strong teams in big leagues like the English Premier League.

Other than English premier league, which league has so many complete/strong team? More or less all the other leagues are same. Dominated by a few teams. Look at Bundesliga, Serie A, even La Liga.

Quote from: kro55 on September 01, 2021, 08:22:03 AM

Moreover, their goalkeeper was not very experienced.

Keylor Navas played for Real Madrid for 5 years and won 3 consecutive UCL which most players cherish to. Even Messi couldn’t have 3 consecutive UCL titles, did he?(No disrespect to Messi) & you are saying him not much experienced Tongue

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Quote from: DU18 on August 31, 2021, 11:01:01 AM

Messi arrival to PSG will actually increase the prestige of the French league and in my opinion, if Mbappe continue to stay at PSG, of course it will reduce his chances of winning the Ballon d'Or and of course Messi big name will make mbappe lose his prestige at PSG, I think more better for mbappe to go to real madrid instead of having to stay at PSG at this time.

Mbappe won't leave PSG till next summer. The transfer season was closed and Real Madrid made his last transfer with Camavinga, not with Mbappe. He has 8 to 10 years to find his Ballon d'Or and he should not hurry with this personal title hunting.

Quote from: BITCOIN4X on August 31, 2021, 10:43:17 AM

That's one of the most plausible reasons at the moment about why PSG didn't sell Mbappe this season to Real Madrid. There is no other big reason PSG signed Messi from Barcelona other than improving the status of the French League 1 for the better and giving them the opportunity to win the champions league title this season or next season. At least not a big problem for PSG so far rejecting Real Madrid's offer in my opinion.

Finally Mbappe will play for PSG in this season and I hope that PSG won't lose him as a free player. I meant I believe PSG will succeed to renew the contract with Mbappe. My belief is from the better strength of PSG in Champions League and I think they will only become stronger with Messi, Ramos and Donnarumma.

Win Champions League is possible but they can win it this season or next season with those new players. I believe if Mbappe see the new strength of PSG, he will renew his contract.

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Ligue 1 cannot be considered among the top-tier European Leagues.
Only Marseille was able to win a Champions League from that league, PSG still has not won anything.
Regarding Mbappé I believe it was very stupid to not sell now because at the end of his contract the guy will leave anyway.
You should ask yourselves if this league can be competitive relying only on the Paris team.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 31, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong. If PSG wins against Lille, Monaco, Lyon and Lens, they can easily beat the rest of the others team. However, if PSG wants to get a good performance from Messi, then Messi has to be given the opportunity to play with other players and coordinate them. If there is no understanding or bonding between the players, they will not get a good performance from a player like Messi or Ramos. If you want a good performance from Messi, other players must cooperate with him.

I don't know about the second tier team part. There are many clubs that are really weak in this league. But I don't think that PSG's reserve team are better than most of the clubs in this league. Because PSG are focusing on especially making the starting eleven one of the bests in the world.

When it comes to Messi, the expectations of the team and the fans will be really big from him without doubt. And Messi must be aware of this already I guess. But he needs some time first to adapt to the team. Because he is going to be playing under a totally different management. The game plan is way different than Barcelona's. Once he gets accustomed to it, I'm sure that he will start playing awesome.

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If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong.

It's not as easy as you may think. PSG was a complete team even without Messi. They had played Semi of last UCL and final in the previous season but bad luck they couldn’t be the champion. However, with that team, they ended up being 2nd while Lille was the champion. Didn’t PSG got 4 points in the last season against Lille? I guess so.

The affairs of the previous season and this season are completely different. PSG's only goal towards the end of the previous season was the Champions League trophy. So they went on to focus on the Champions League, losing points in just a few matches in Ligue 1. But they have a skilled striker this season. Ramos has a total of experienced defenders. They has a great goalkeeper like Donnarumma. This season is not likely to be a repeat of the previous season.

I think so too. Although PSG's forward lineup was good last season, the defense was not very good. Moreover, their goalkeeper was not very experienced. But this season the PSG team is trying to increase their strength everywhere. So I didn't think they would have to work very hard for the Ligue 1 title. However, they have to be very careful with the weaker teams. Because the target of weak teams is to draw matches. And they play very defensively.

It is difficult to win against weak teams because they use very defensive tactics. They have no interest in scoring goals, they just want to resist goals. When 11 players act as defenders, it will be very difficult to win against this type of team though PSG has many experienced striker. So PSG must be careful and try to perform well against all teams.

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Quote from: BALIK on September 01, 2021, 12:14:23 AM

Quote from: RapTarX on August 31, 2021, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: BALIK on August 31, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong.

It's not as easy as you may think. PSG was a complete team even without Messi. They had played Semi of last UCL and final in the previous season but bad luck they couldn’t be the champion. However, with that team, they ended up being 2nd while Lille was the champion. Didn’t PSG got 4 points in the last season against Lille? I guess so.

The affairs of the previous season and this season are completely different. PSG's only goal towards the end of the previous season was the Champions League trophy. So they went on to focus on the Champions League, losing points in just a few matches in Ligue 1. But they have a skilled striker this season. Ramos has a total of experienced defenders. They has a great goalkeeper like Donnarumma. This season is not likely to be a repeat of the previous season.

I think so too. Although PSG's forward lineup was good last season, the defense was not very good. Moreover, their goalkeeper was not very experienced. But this season the PSG team is trying to increase their strength everywhere. So I didn't think they would have to work very hard for the Ligue 1 title. However, they have to be very careful with the weaker teams. Because the target of weak teams is to draw matches. And they play very defensively.

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Quote from: RapTarX on August 31, 2021, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: BALIK on August 31, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong.

It's not as easy as you may think. PSG was a complete team even without Messi. They had played Semi of last UCL and final in the previous season but bad luck they couldn’t be the champion. However, with that team, they ended up being 2nd while Lille was the champion. Didn’t PSG got 4 points in the last season against Lille? I guess so.

The affairs of the previous season and this season are completely different. PSG's only goal towards the end of the previous season was the Champions League trophy. So they went on to focus on the Champions League, losing points in just a few matches in Ligue 1. But they have a skilled striker this season. Ramos has a total of experienced defenders. They has a great goalkeeper like Donnarumma. This season is not likely to be a repeat of the previous season.

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Keeping Mbappe to stay at this time is a bad option for PSG how not, Mbappe has clearly rejected the offer of a contract extension with PSG. Therefore, if it is time for Mbappe's contract to expire at least it will be easy for other clubs or in this case Real Madrid who will easily get his signature later.

Mbappe is young and he is in hurry but moving to Real Madrid won't make him become super stars sooner. I agree La Liga is a bigger league than Ligue 1 but Mbappe can win Champions League with PSG in next few seasons but in Real Madrid, he will face with unknown future.

Galaticos 3.0 has yet been completed, just started and how it works is still unknown.

Real could definitely build a galacticos 3.0 type of situation very easily if they know what they are doing. Getting Haaland and Mbappe on the same summer will make sure that they are the best team in the world just with that, spend 200+ million on that deal if you have to and get them both. However what people are forgetting is that Pogba is finishing his contract as well, could go to Madrid for free if they offer a good amount, Dybala is ending his contract, could go to Madrid, Goretzka is on last year as well.

These are all the players who are on their last year by the way, and only Haaland needs to be bought, get a great defender as well, pay Liverpool whatever you have to, even if it is 100, and get VVD for example. Can you imagine what would happen? That team could be easily the best team I have ever seen with those additions, or at least best team next year for sure.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 31, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong.

It's not as easy as you may think. PSG was a complete team even without Messi. They had played Semi of last UCL and final in the previous season but bad luck they couldn’t be the champion. However, with that team, they ended up being 2nd while Lille was the champion. Didn’t PSG got 4 points in the last season against Lille? I guess so.

It is true that there are not many strong clubs in this league. Because the players are not that qualified in general also. Only the players of some big teams are really qualified and have the capacity to play at strong teams in big leagues like the English Premier League. I really appreciated Lille's becoming the champions in the last season. Because there are not many clubs that can leave PSG behind and win the title. Lille had a lower-quality squad compared to PSG but they showed how a weaker team can be still the champions in even that situation.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 31, 2021, 12:47:58 PM

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong.

It's not as easy as you may think. PSG was a complete team even without Messi. They had played Semi of last UCL and final in the previous season but bad luck they couldn’t be the champion. However, with that team, they ended up being 2nd while Lille was the champion. Didn’t PSG got 4 points in the last season against Lille? I guess so.

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That's one of the most plausible reasons at the moment about why PSG didn't sell Mbappe this season to Real Madrid. There is no other big reason PSG signed Messi from Barcelona other than improving the status of the French League 1 for the better and giving them the opportunity to win the champions league title this season or next season. At least not a big problem for PSG so far rejecting Real Madrid's offer in my opinion.

The most realistic reason PSG brought in Messi is to get the champions league trophy, because so far PSG have always failed to get the champions league trophy even though they have a squad that is quite capable and always qualify for the champions league.
For the Ligue 1 Cup, I think the presence or absence of Messi at PSG is certainly not very important, because PSG have dominated Ligue 1 so far.

If PSG will perform in Ligue 1 with their second tier team, they will still be able to play well enough. The teams in ligue 1 are not very strong. If PSG wins against Lille, Monaco, Lyon and Lens, they can easily beat the rest of the others team. However, if PSG wants to get a good performance from Messi, then Messi has to be given the opportunity to play with other players and coordinate them. If there is no understanding or bonding between the players, they will not get a good performance from a player like Messi or Ramos. If you want a good performance from Messi, other players must cooperate with him.

That is the reason why I said that PSG project for messi not Ligue 1 trophy, but PSG desire to become champions of the Champions League which made them spend quite a lot of money to bring in the best players at the moment, now PSG has 9 Ligue 1 trophies and if this season PSG can win the Champions League, of course the Trophy will be the perfect complement to the collection of all their champion trophies so far. Messi and Ramos of course need time to adapt to the Ligue 1 style of play and also the PSG style of play applied by Pochettino.

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