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Quote from: hahay on July 29, 2023, 10:41:06 AM

Do you still think Ramos is still in the current PSG squad?
In fact, Ramos current status is without a club because PSG also did not extend his contract. With the contract not renewed, Ramos can be owned by any club at this moment for free, but I wonder why you still think Ramos is still part of the PSG squad. Also, regarding that match it seems that PSG also only played second-tier players, so it seems natural for PSG to lose. But indeed, as a strong team in Ligue 1, it is only natural that the quality of the second tier players can also have good abilities to win in friendly matches like that.

It was reported that Ramos was approached by the team from MLS. Indeed after Ramos ended his contract with PSG he has not found a new team for his further career. Now one thing that makes me sure is that it will be difficult for him to find a new team because he is already 37 years old, so that will be the end of his career in his beautiful journey in playing football.

Apart from that, he is indeed the best defender we have ever seen at Real Madrid, but because he is old, of course, the decline in his performance is the main point for the team to recruit him. Even if the team from MLS manages to recruit him, I will make sure he will play for the next 1 season before announcing his retirement.

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Quote from: zuzie on July 29, 2023, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

Correct, dude. PSG was great before Kylian Mbappe signed. Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Edinson Cavani, and Neymar JR fill me with longing. Their enormous pockets have helped them attract big personalities.

Is money always power? Just because PSG keeps attracting players doesnt imply they'll join. A team's success isn't only about getting big names. It also depends on teamwork.

Mbappe's possible departure saddens me. However, PSG has withstood star player losses before. They'll have a steep climb, especially in the Champions League, but should we give up on them? I'd wait.

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I do not think that they "cared" and that's the result. I know that not caring looks like that and I have seen it before. When players do not run all that much unless there is someone there, it's like putting the effort in it, plus they weren't having fun playing the game neither, they all looked like "I rather be at home watching this than play it" type of mood.

When you combine all of these together that results with something much worse and you could lose to any team in the world no matter how great you are. We have seen teams lose cup games to lower division teams because of this and that means we are not going to see anything else for PSG. Obviously we are looking for something that is largely because of it was just a friendly.

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Quote from: Doell on July 29, 2023, 12:51:13 PM

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PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

In fact, if Mbappe left PSG, I think PSG would not exist. There are no world class players in the team. So if PSG want to do well this season, there is no option to keep Mbappe in the team.

PSG would not exist? I don't think so, PSG have a lot of money and they are a big club in Paris, without Mbappe I think PSG still can exist. Mbappe is an important player in their team, PSG already know that, so they want to extend his contract with Mbappe. But as we know Mbappe doesn't want to extend his contract, so PSG efforts to keep Mbappe are quite difficult.

Even though Paris SG has a lot of money to get quality player, it will be very difficult to get player like Kylian Mbappe and until now Paris SG has no candidate to replace Mbappe.
I know if maybe in Kylian Mbappe is very important or really needed in Paris SG but all this will just be nonsense because Mbappe doesn't want to be at this clubs anymore and even though Paris SG has to be left by its top players this clubs will not have a drop in performance because of me look at Paris SG signing several new players to replace Mbappe as he begins to leave this top club.
Another thing that make all of this seem uncertain is the problem of Paris SG and Kylian Mbappe, whose truth is still a mystery

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Quote from: Doell on July 29, 2023, 12:51:13 PM

Quote from: fachant on July 29, 2023, 11:52:18 AM

In fact, if Mbappe left PSG, I think PSG would not exist.

PSG would not exist? I don't think so

PSG might not exist might be understood as PSG will not be able to play in advanced stages of Champions League for example. I tend to agree with this especially if I take on consideration their games vs Al Nassr and Osaka. PSG have a serious problem in the attack line without Mbappe, even though Neymar was on the benches, and with their defence line since many mistakes was done.
There is much efforts have to be done. What I disagree with is not having top stars players means the club will fail. Newcastle United had normal players comparing to Chelsea and Spurs for example, yet finished way in front of them.

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Quote from: shogun47 on July 29, 2023, 12:29:00 PM

Quote from: zuzie on July 29, 2023, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

First of all there is now an additional competitor when it comes to money and that are the clubs from Saudi Arabia and then there is still Neymar. But they will have problems next season for sure. Maybe not so much in Ligue 1 games, but the Champions League can't be one of their main goals. I don't know how they would even make it into the final or the semi-final with the team that is left when Mbappe is gone and Messi is gone. Especially Mbappe was the one who took them through the Champions League stages in the most important games and with Messi also gone, a world class player who is able to provide excellent assists is also missing.

I'm sure without Messi and Mbappe, PSG will be in serious trouble. Neymar is of course a good player, but still without the main strikers they will have difficulties too. I think we will see something similar to what happened with Barcelona after Messi left or Liverpool when Mane left. They probably won't be able to win the League next season.

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Quote from: fachant on July 29, 2023, 11:52:18 AM

Quote from: zuzie on July 29, 2023, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

In fact, if Mbappe left PSG, I think PSG would not exist. There are no world class players in the team. So if PSG want to do well this season, there is no option to keep Mbappe in the team.

PSG would not exist? I don't think so, PSG have a lot of money and they are a big club in Paris, without Mbappe I think PSG still can exist. Mbappe is an important player in their team, PSG already know that, so they want to extend his contract with Mbappe. But as we know Mbappe doesn't want to extend his contract, so PSG efforts to keep Mbappe are quite difficult.

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Quote from: zuzie on July 29, 2023, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

First of all there is now an additional competitor when it comes to money and that are the clubs from Saudi Arabia and then there is still Neymar. But they will have problems next season for sure. Maybe not so much in Ligue 1 games, but the Champions League can't be one of their main goals. I don't know how they would even make it into the final or the semi-final with the team that is left when Mbappe is gone and Messi is gone. Especially Mbappe was the one who took them through the Champions League stages in the most important games and with Messi also gone, a world class player who is able to provide excellent assists is also missing.

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Quote from: zuzie on July 29, 2023, 11:49:13 AM

Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

In fact, if Mbappe left PSG, I think PSG would not exist. There are no world class players in the team. So if PSG want to do well this season, there is no option to keep Mbappe in the team.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 29, 2023, 11:02:37 AM

PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

Really, the fact is that Paris Saint Germain already dominated the French 1 League especially before Kylian Mbappe joined, PSG was still the favorite to win even though at that time there was no Mbappe. If you trace the history of the club, PSG has always had superstars in every era such as Pauleta, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, after that there is Edinson Cavani, Neymar JR, and finally Kylian Mbappe. It will always breed new superstars for PSG because they have the money to tie up potential superstars, like you said. It's only a matter of time.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 29, 2023, 08:17:30 AM

PSG domination will come to end if they don't have any star players, the current squad is the real PSG's players without star players and they get beaten by Cerezo Osaka aka a weak club in Japan League which never become a champion.

It seems true. I saw so many differences when PSG was still having mbappe and messi compared when PSG didn't have those players. The performance from the attacking lines have been dropping so hard. The ability to make goals become very small.
PSG has been making a lot of shoots but these shoots are lack of accuracy. It makes PSG was not able to compete with another big club in UCL next season. Im sure that if PSG is almost coming to its end to dominating french league.
I hope that psg will not win any trophy next season. I prefer marseille or lens to take the number 1 next season.

Quote from: Despairo on July 29, 2023, 08:17:30 AM

Mbappe is high likely will leave, so there's only Neymar, Ramos and Hakimi. This is the good time to bet on PSG's opponent club because most of people always overrating PSG and that's make the odds always favor on PSG.

It's just a matter of time till mbappe gonna leave from the club. This will be also create a lot of differences. It's caused by PSG was only relying on mbappe and messi last season.
PSG is nothing without mbappe. it's just an ordinary club without superstars. Enrique will not be able to assemble a good squad caused by that.

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Quote from: Despairo on July 29, 2023, 08:17:30 AM

Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:29:14 AM

It was really disappointing to see this defeat, even though when referring to PSG possession of the ball, Cerezo Osaka really dominated. 72 percent versus 28 percent but Cerezo managed to come out victorious in this fight. It looks like Luis Enrique really needs to work harder to raise the spirits of his players. Especially with the various issues of moving players, it will make the PSG squad not focus on the match even though this is only a friendly match.

Without strengthening Mbappe PSG should still be able to beat Cerezo Osaka easily, because they have many other star players. The results of this match can be a lesson for Enrique to improve his game scheme in the future.

PSG domination will come to end if they don't have any star players, the current squad is the real PSG's players without star players and they get beaten by Cerezo Osaka aka a weak club in Japan League which never become a champion.

Mbappe is high likely will leave, so there's only Neymar, Ramos and Hakimi. This is the good time to bet on PSG's opponent club because most of people always overrating PSG and that's make the odds always favor on PSG.

Do you still think Ramos is still in the current PSG squad?
In fact, Ramos current status is without a club because PSG also did not extend his contract. With the contract not renewed, Ramos can be owned by any club at this moment for free, but I wonder why you still think Ramos is still part of the PSG squad. Also, regarding that match it seems that PSG also only played second-tier players, so it seems natural for PSG to lose. But indeed, as a strong team in Ligue 1, it is only natural that the quality of the second tier players can also have good abilities to win in friendly matches like that.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 29, 2023, 06:05:49 AM

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Luis Enrique definitely has reasons for this but this defeat doesn't need to be regretted and of course in the future PSG can still play with their main players.
At least in this match PSG can still compete by scoring 2 goals even though they had to concede 3 goals until the round 2 finished.
I also salute Shinji Kagawa for managing to play well enough to even contribute 1 goal and at the age of 34, Shinji Kagawa can still keep up with the games of other young players.

I think Luis Enrique's decision to not start star players of Paris Saint Germaine in their preseason matches is because of the fact that he wants pick the best players from the younger members of the team.
Enrique surely knows what he's doing and would definitely be successful in his time at the French capital. He's simply applying his personal football philosophy and hopefully it'll yield great results

As I said in several posts, this pre-season friendly match is not a reference for us to judge the strength of a team. this match was a test match for Enrique to experiment with his system, plus tinkering with some of the strategies he used. we can even refer to the three matches that PSG played in this pre-season match, Enrique always rotates his players. this aims, to try the potential of the game from his care team.
maybe because of that too, Enrique chose not to play some of his star players. so naturally, if the results are not satisfactory for a club like PSG.after all, referring to the match data and statistics. PSG really controlled the game, even though in the end they lost this match. the point is, Enrique is trying to build a system that he applies to welcome next season. So, we agree with your point, Enrique knows very well what he is doing as well as what he is planning.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 29, 2023, 06:05:49 AM

I think Luis Enrique's decision to not start star players of Paris Saint Germaine in their preseason matches is because of the fact that he wants pick the best players from the younger members of the team.
Enrique surely knows what he's doing and would definitely be successful in his time at the French capital. He's simply applying his personal football philosophy and hopefully it'll yield great results

Enrique was still using the main squad at the second half but it was not changing the result. It doesn't matter how many young players used by the club but the fact that if it was getting bad result during several pre matches.
The first was drawn against al nassr and then PSG loses against japanese club. That proves if there are still many things that need to be evaluated by enrique. The new players are not showing good performance during the match against japan club.
PSG shall not continue the bad trend till the start of french league. PSG gonna face intermilan as next opponent. It will become a good match to test PSG's performance.
My guess if intermilan gonna use PSG as important test for the club as well. PSG shall not repeat the bad result in the previous matches.

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Quote from: fzkto on July 29, 2023, 08:26:58 AM

Maybe PSG will have a crisis next season and it could even happen that some other club will become champions in the League. Last season PSG had trouble to stay in first place, but they had super stars. I think that next season we will finally see a normal competition in the French League.

PSG has the most achievements in France league and the most successful and favorite team in terms of league titles is PSG but the way they have started losing players, they may not be able to retain the France league title for long. PSG won the French League last season but several stars left PSG this season and there are rumors that Mbappe will leave PSG, if all the star players leave the club at the same time then this team will not be able to win the league title next season. Marseille and Lens, who performed well last season, will have the potential to do well in the France league in the coming seasons. If this group is planned from now then this group will become a concern of the management in the future.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 28, 2023, 05:20:22 PM

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It is not true that a team will perform well if it has a lot of star players in the squad. The bond between the players must be good. If the chemistry between the players is not good, the overall performance of the team is unlikely to improve. PSG had a strong squad. But the understanding between the squad players was not good. PSG have now appointed an experienced coach Luis Enrique to stabilize their squad. If PSG had hired an experienced coach earlier instead of wasting money on star players, we could have seen a better performance from this team last season.

a team having star players will not guarantee if it will be successful like PSG in the previous season had 3 very good players like Messi, Neymar and Mbappe but in reality they always failed to get the champions league title and could only get the title in League 1 .
if you say PSG will be luckier when it is faster to get Enrique than just buying star players that will also not give guarantees and in my opinion comparing Enrique is no better than Galtier as PSG coach and all this in my opinion PSG failure in the champions league is just less solid between players with their coach so that the chemistry you mention won't appear between them.

PSG don't have superstars like last season anymore and they don't have the strongest forwards in the world in the other hand, instead of working with Galtier they are working on Enrique and this can maybe help PSG to have a more balanced team for the next season, however finding good forwards to fill Mbappe and Messi's place can't be easy for PSG.

Maybe PSG will have a crisis next season and it could even happen that some other club will become champions in the League. Last season PSG had trouble to stay in first place, but they had super stars. I think that next season we will finally see a normal competition in the French League.

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Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:29:14 AM

It was really disappointing to see this defeat, even though when referring to PSG possession of the ball, Cerezo Osaka really dominated. 72 percent versus 28 percent but Cerezo managed to come out victorious in this fight. It looks like Luis Enrique really needs to work harder to raise the spirits of his players. Especially with the various issues of moving players, it will make the PSG squad not focus on the match even though this is only a friendly match.

Without strengthening Mbappe PSG should still be able to beat Cerezo Osaka easily, because they have many other star players. The results of this match can be a lesson for Enrique to improve his game scheme in the future.

PSG domination will come to end if they don't have any star players, the current squad is the real PSG's players without star players and they get beaten by Cerezo Osaka aka a weak club in Japan League which never become a champion.

Mbappe is high likely will leave, so there's only Neymar, Ramos and Hakimi. This is the good time to bet on PSG's opponent club because most of people always overrating PSG and that's make the odds always favor on PSG.

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It was really disappointing to see this defeat, even though when referring to PSG possession of the ball, Cerezo Osaka really dominated.

PSG did not use all star players in this summer pre-season matches and they accept bad results with alternative and young players. Osaka won with a goal from Kagawa, a former player of Manchester United. He is old but can still play well enough in the match with PSG.

Luis Enrique definitely has reasons for this but this defeat doesn't need to be regretted and of course in the future PSG can still play with their main players.
At least in this match PSG can still compete by scoring 2 goals even though they had to concede 3 goals until the round 2 finished.
I also salute Shinji Kagawa for managing to play well enough to even contribute 1 goal and at the age of 34, Shinji Kagawa can still keep up with the games of other young players.

Yes I agree with what you said, that this defeat shouldn't be overly regretted, because if they do that I don't think it will be good for the development of the squad. They can look at this result with the reasoning that they will make it a motivation so that they can play better in the future.
I understand this is unexpected, and surely for their fans who want to always see their proud club win in every match will definitely be disappointed. But this is just a pre-season match, there is still time for them to improve what is lacking from what they have at the moment.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 29, 2023, 03:56:07 AM

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Quote from: marcous on July 29, 2023, 01:29:14 AM

It was really disappointing to see this defeat, even though when referring to PSG possession of the ball, Cerezo Osaka really dominated.

PSG did not use all star players in this summer pre-season matches and they accept bad results with alternative and young players. Osaka won with a goal from Kagawa, a former player of Manchester United. He is old but can still play well enough in the match with PSG.

Luis Enrique definitely has reasons for this but this defeat doesn't need to be regretted and of course in the future PSG can still play with their main players.
At least in this match PSG can still compete by scoring 2 goals even though they had to concede 3 goals until the round 2 finished.
I also salute Shinji Kagawa for managing to play well enough to even contribute 1 goal and at the age of 34, Shinji Kagawa can still keep up with the games of other young players.

I think Luis Enrique's decision to not start star players of Paris Saint Germaine in their preseason matches is because of the fact that he wants pick the best players from the younger members of the team.
Enrique surely knows what he's doing and would definitely be successful in his time at the French capital. He's simply applying his personal football philosophy and hopefully it'll yield great results

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Quote from: tusandii on July 29, 2023, 03:56:07 AM

Luis Enrique definitely has reasons for this but this defeat doesn't need to be regretted and of course in the future PSG can still play with their main players.
At least in this match PSG can still compete by scoring 2 goals even though they had to concede 3 goals until the round 2 finished.
I also salute Shinji Kagawa for managing to play well enough to even contribute 1 goal and at the age of 34, Shinji Kagawa can still keep up with the games of other young players.

Enrique must be solving the problems in the club as soon as possible. I meant if we must aware of how bad the performance from PSG during the pre season. PSG has been using a lot of its main players in the match against japanese team.
The problem is i have seen so many non synchronized pass in the PSG. The club needs more time to build its chemistry. I guess that if everything will be fine but it may take more time for PSG to build its momentum.
The fact that if PSG's attacking line looked so weak without mbappe. PSG must be thinking again before try to sell mbappe.
The club has proven if mbappe's performance is very important for PSG at this moment.

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