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Quote from: ManBearPig on June 12, 2014, 08:01:43 AM

Done, here's the new thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fundamental-analysis-thread-revived-649453

Thanks for the original lebing, your thread was very helpful when I was still figuring Bitcoin out.

NP, thanks for picking it up Cool

Have fun with the new thread

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Done, here's the new thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fundamental-analysis-thread-revived-649453

Thanks for the original lebing, your thread was very helpful when I was still figuring Bitcoin out.

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Yes, that would be perfect.

Let us know our new link to watch : )

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Yes indeed that would be best. I can manage it if I just post the most important developments.

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Quote from: ManBearPig on June 02, 2014, 09:52:41 AM

Thanks for the reply, I'll try to update it with the most important developments.

Just a thought:
If you are serious about future updates, i guess it would be best to open new thread, self moderated maybe, then copy all lebing's data and put all new entries also into the first post.

It's very convenient to show this info to someone if all the data is included in first few posts.

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Expedia to accept Bitcoin payments for hotel bookings, initially US customers only, for hotels not flights (yet)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27810008
TLDR another very high-profile name to accept Bitcoin.

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Quote from: zimmah on June 02, 2014, 10:06:23 AM

Quote from: lebing on February 14, 2013, 05:57:10 AM

source: http://www.runtogold.com/bitcoin-price/

Really? 30T in tax haven bank accounts? That's a whole lot of money. Is that realiable information?

Imagine if just 1% of that money is switching to bitcoin. Or 5%, or 10%

That would be huge...

Never mind if they all decided to buy bitcoin

yes its reliable. Check out Trace mayer on youtube and how to vanish. He isnt as visible a figure in bitcoin as he was a few years ago but still recommend his stuff.

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Quote from: lebing on February 14, 2013, 05:57:10 AM

source: http://www.runtogold.com/bitcoin-price/

Really? 30T in tax haven bank accounts? That's a whole lot of money. Is that realiable information?

Imagine if just 1% of that money is switching to bitcoin. Or 5%, or 10%

That would be huge...

Never mind if they all decided to buy bitcoin

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Thanks for the reply, I'll try to update it with the most important developments.

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Quote from: ManBearPig on June 02, 2014, 08:59:32 AM

Is thread abandoned now? Anyone else want to take up the mantle or has someone done so in another thread?

Sorry yes I have abandoned this baby for one IRL. Someone else please feel free to pick up the ball.

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Is thread abandoned now? Anyone else want to take up the mantle or has someone done so in another thread?

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Interesting fundamental analysis thread recently from reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1k9w3p/the_postbubble_recovery_has_begun/

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Updated with:

Bitcoin charts on bloomberg for employees, coming soon to everyone
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/09/bitcoin-ticker-available-on-bloomberg-terminal/
TLDR Bitcoin now officially mainstream

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Quote from: niko on August 07, 2013, 11:05:48 PM

Quote from: vokain on August 07, 2013, 10:45:51 PM

Him recognizing that bitcoin was a form of money just means that in that specific case. It's no different than how bitcoins were viewed before and doesn't really change anything on a monumental level. FinCEN still only has jurisdiction over the AML part of bitcoins, and the CFTC still doesn't have jurisdiction over its exchange.

Can't look up the links atm, but in at least one north-European country bitcoins were ruled a commodity, implying VAT or sales tax on all transactions. I would not dismiss the US ruling as insignificant. For example, cases of theft now have an important precedent set.

I know about Germany. You can actually sell bitcoins there after a year after purchase tax-free. We have yet to come up with anything on a similar level at the legal level. I'm curious to see what happens when different states decide different things on Bitcoin.

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Quote from: vokain on August 07, 2013, 10:45:51 PM

Him recognizing that bitcoin was a form of money just means that in that specific case. It's no different than how bitcoins were viewed before and doesn't really change anything on a monumental level. FinCEN still only has jurisdiction over the AML part of bitcoins, and the CFTC still doesn't have jurisdiction over its exchange.

Can't look up the links atm, but in at least one north-European country bitcoins were ruled a commodity, implying VAT or sales tax on all transactions. I would not dismiss the US ruling as insignificant. For example, cases of theft now have an important precedent set.

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Quote from: vokain on August 07, 2013, 10:45:51 PM

Him recognizing that bitcoin was a form of money just means that in that specific case. It's no different than how bitcoins were viewed before and doesn't really change anything on a monumental level. FinCEN still only has jurisdiction over the AML part of bitcoins, and the CFTC still doesn't have jurisdiction over its exchange.

One word: precedence.

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Him recognizing that bitcoin was a form of money just means that in that specific case. It's no different than how bitcoins were viewed before and doesn't really change anything on a monumental level. FinCEN still only has jurisdiction over the AML part of bitcoins, and the CFTC still doesn't have jurisdiction over its exchange.

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Quote from: vokain on August 07, 2013, 04:39:42 PM

Quote from: niko on August 07, 2013, 03:50:20 PM

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/06/Bitcoin.pdf

US federal court rules that bitcoins are money. As much as this sounds self-evident and trivial to us here, it sets an important precedent. The ramifications are many, some good and some bad for some of us. Personally, I am happy to see this.

Quote from: Serge on August 07, 2013, 02:59:57 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Serge on August 07, 2013, 02:32:56 PM

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A US Federal judge in Texas just ruled that Bitcoin is in fact, a currency.

~BCX~

No, that is not what they ruled.

Yes that's exactly what the Judge ruled today.

http://www.law360.com/articles/462977

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanmaglich/2013/08/07/court-green-lights-bitcoin-lawsuit-rules-investments-constitute-securities/

~BCX~

first link reads the same as all those news reporting Thailand banning bitcoin drama. if you read carefully forbe's artile, you will see that court decided against Shaver's claims that BTCST did not operate in investment securities and did not fall under SEC jurisdiction, which court decided against. The Judge simply recognized Bitcoin being as a form of money which can be used in investment securities, exchanged for traditional currencies and to buy goods and services with it. There were no official ruling on whether Bitcoin is legally defined as a currency or not.

in other thread you mentioned Liberty Dollars and that there is a bunch of laws designed specifically for currencies inclining that bitcoiners may be in trouble with this 'precedent' for making their own money. Firstly you dismiss the fact that US does not prohibit private currencies, there are few that exists and function today in the US. Secondly bitcoin does not try to compete with and look closely resembling with legal tender for which LD got in trouble; there are no single entity issuing Bitcoins and no single miner has control over bitcoin's production mechanism and clearly do not fall under any currency counterfeiting laws that protect USD.

I fail to see the connection between the two quotes you posted. The judge did rule that bitcoins are money, as explicitly written in the pdf I linked to. Perhaps you could clarify your point in this discusion? Thanks.

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Quote from: niko on August 07, 2013, 03:50:20 PM

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/06/Bitcoin.pdf

US federal court rules that bitcoins are money. As much as this sounds self-evident and trivial to us here, it sets an important precedent. The ramifications are many, some good and some bad for some of us. Personally, I am happy to see this.

Quote from: Serge on August 07, 2013, 02:59:57 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Serge on August 07, 2013, 02:32:56 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

A US Federal judge in Texas just ruled that Bitcoin is in fact, a currency.

~BCX~

No, that is not what they ruled.

Yes that's exactly what the Judge ruled today.

http://www.law360.com/articles/462977

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanmaglich/2013/08/07/court-green-lights-bitcoin-lawsuit-rules-investments-constitute-securities/

~BCX~

first link reads the same as all those news reporting Thailand banning bitcoin drama. if you read carefully forbe's artile, you will see that court decided against Shaver's claims that BTCST did not operate in investment securities and did not fall under SEC jurisdiction, which court decided against. The Judge simply recognized Bitcoin being as a form of money which can be used in investment securities, exchanged for traditional currencies and to buy goods and services with it. There were no official ruling on whether Bitcoin is legally defined as a currency or not.

in other thread you mentioned Liberty Dollars and that there is a bunch of laws designed specifically for currencies inclining that bitcoiners may be in trouble with this 'precedent' for making their own money. Firstly you dismiss the fact that US does not prohibit private currencies, there are few that exists and function today in the US. Secondly bitcoin does not try to compete with and look closely resembling with legal tender for which LD got in trouble; there are no single entity issuing Bitcoins and no single miner has control over bitcoin's production mechanism and clearly do not fall under any currency counterfeiting laws that protect USD.

niko

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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/08/06/Bitcoin.pdf

US federal court rules that bitcoins are money. As much as this sounds self-evident and trivial to us here, it sets an important precedent. The ramifications are many, some good and some bad for some of us. Personally, I am happy to see this.

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