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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

If the gambler is above 18 years of age then the condition of participation is met but if a gambler is dependent on others and is addicted to gambling without earning himself, the matter becomes different. A gambler the OP mentions is addicted to gambling with mom's money and sometimes doesn't hesitate to steal mom's money to manage the gambling money, in this case the gambling has had a seriously negative effect on the son. All these boys need to be treated by a psychology doctor otherwise they will organize more crimes later.
But the gambler mentioned in the second step is addicted to gambling with his tuition money and in this case he does not have to depend on any other field to manage the gambling money. No criminal activity is being committed by this gambler rather he has chosen gambling as one of the main reasons for entertainment. In this case, gambling has been able to create a positive effect on this boy.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

Most gamblers hardly admit that they are gambling the wrong or they are gambling addict . Well the stealing he might be saying the truth but we can't still tell. But concerning the responsible gambling and stuff , is hard to believe. Though he may be gambling responsible due to the fact that he should started, but one thing about addict , is something that grows with time. Like he have Started with the right mindset of gambling for fun and to make extra bucks, but he will get to point were all he about is how to hit the jackpot quick or how to get rich quick with gambling.

Especially when he don't have someone to guide him , I'm speaking base on experience, I knew of someone that started gambling with the right mindset of gambling wisely, but as time goes he mind became clouded with greed in gambling which lead to being a gambling addict for sometime, but was able to get his self back after losing a certain huge amount of money that literally got him reckt. Just tell your nephew that he should be careful of the way he approach gambling, because gambling can either help ones lives or ruin it .

The longer duration that you would really be that dealing with gambling with, then the more chances or possibility that you would really be finding yourself that being addicted into it and this is something that
you must trying out to see or look upon on the time that you would really be dealing up with gambling. Never ever make yourself that easily get addicted with gambling. Its not really that bad to gamble
as long you do make yourself that being responsible on the actions that you are taking, then there's no way that you could really be falling out on such possible problem in the future. It would really be just that
up to you on how you would really be gonna handling out yourself because on the moment that you do already make yourself having that kind of hopes on getting rich then this is where issues would really be happening like on gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

Most gamblers hardly admit that they are gambling the wrong or they are gambling addict . Well the stealing he might be saying the truth but we can't still tell. But concerning the responsible gambling and stuff , is hard to believe. Though he may be gambling responsible due to the fact that he should started, but one thing about addict , is something that grows with time. Like he have Started with the right mindset of gambling for fun and to make extra bucks, but he will get to point were all he about is how to hit the jackpot quick or how to get rich quick with gambling.

Especially when he don't have someone to guide him , I'm speaking base on experience, I knew of someone that started gambling with the right mindset of gambling wisely, but as time goes he mind became clouded with greed in gambling which lead to being a gambling addict for sometime, but was able to get his self back after losing a certain huge amount of money that literally got him reckt. Just tell your nephew that he should be careful of the way he approach gambling, because gambling can either help ones lives or ruin it .

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 15, 2024, 05:17:45 AM

Personally, I don't see any problem with this guy gambling if he uses only his own money and does not overstep the bounds of the law. I started gambling long before I came of age and I am still gambling, but I have changed my attitude to gambling radically since then.

I would advise young gamblers to pay attention to the study of cryptocurrencies and investing. It is quite an interesting area to study. Gambling is entertainment, and investing with the right approach is an opportunity to earn money.

I appreciate your advice, what you said is indeed the honest truth though anyone is entitled to his or her opinions as to this regards, the reason why I said that the young boy should properly guided at this point from my previous post, to ensure he is not fallen apart from the plan which includes seeing gambling as a fun play and nothing to be taken too serious because the he over steps his boundaries the consequences can be very detrimental to his life as growing young boy, yeah he shouldn't be left alone to figure out how this works rather he should be guided diligently.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on September 15, 2024, 12:54:25 PM

In this kind of situation, the parents should call their kid and educate him on the risk involved in gambling, not by leaving him without guiding him else the child go extent sourcing for funds which could also lead him to try to steal from their, then secondly every access that the kid may have towards the parents funds should be denied, in the sense that they should avoid keeping cash big cash or no cash at home where the kid would have access to.

Agreed, the parents are responsible for their kids until they are man enough to stand on their own and make decisions. Kids don't know the value of money and how hard it is to work for money. They'll think earning money is easy hence you have to teach them how to value money at a very young age so they don't misuse money and become a nuisance to the community. Money not used wisely will be lost and this is what happens with most underage gamblers. As they keep losing, they get more desperate and when they don't see the money again, they'll turn to other means of getting the money which will bring disgrace to your family if they're caught doing unlawful things just to get money that they'll still not use wisely and lose all. All people under your care should be restricted from having easy way in to your money when you observe that they're having difficulties with gambling addiction.

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In this kind of situation, the parents should call their kid and educate him on the risk involved in gambling, not by leaving him without guiding him else the child go extent sourcing for funds which could also lead him to try to steal from their, then secondly every access that the kid may have towards the parents funds should be denied, in the sense that they should avoid keeping cash big cash or no cash at home where the kid would have access to.

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With communication we can open up any problems and can find the best solution to solve the problem. In my opinion, there should be no boundaries between parents and children, because if there are boundaries, it will create a relationship that ultimately makes communication not run smoothly.

As effective as communication is in bonding and building great relationship in a family, it's sadly not always applied. It's hard for most modern parents like us dealing with Gen-Z kids because of the preponderance of what is consumed on the internet. Those days, kids used to go out to gamble and that could mean parents having movement control over their children. That's not the case now as kids can lock themselves up in rooms or wherever and access any gambling sites they want.

As for someone who's financially dependant on others indulging in gambling, it's a bad idea for me. I judge it irresponsibility when I see someone gamble on funds that aren't theirs.

That's the dilemma of parents nowadays, as most young gen are into all kinds of gadgets, you can't totally know what they are doing. Unless, you will restrict the sites that they can visit, so you need to do a very good security and privacy settings on their phones or gadgets.

But still, as a parent, you need to instill the good values starting at the very early age. So while they are growing up, they have this good upbringing that they can always rely on in especially in their challenging times, when they are being influenced by their peers and other people. If they are secure with themselves, they will do the right thing no matter what.

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Quote from: Accardo on September 15, 2024, 11:32:02 AM

It's hard to say if a child is involved in gambling, unless taken unawares. In as much as the underaged player no longer stays with his guardians, they'll be no way to go around the situation, other than inviting him home and recommend a rehab program or therapy session. Thus, Parents have to deal with this carefully, to retain the sanity of their wards.

Therefore, the player's pocket money should be restricted, or cut into half, such that whenever he asks for more, he'll be required to return home. Afterwards, the kid with addiction can directly be asked questions, regarding what mostly consumes his/her funds. Then, followed up with a professional therapist.

We know that social control is no longer running in many environments, adults who see underage children making mistakes no longer have the initiative to reprimand or remind them.

Interesting you came up with this, usually, it was helpful, but recently elderly people (in my locality) began to misuse the power of social control by complaining over little things which wasn't a huge problem. They failed to realized that young people move on quickly, sooner, nobody listened to such cautions from strangers who are not their parent. I miss those days, but, personally, I didn't like it either when they began complaining about dress codes and all that, it wasn't relevant.

That was the reason it's dying down in recent times. For instance, I asked a friend about his take on such complaints from elderly people, he blatantly told me he avoids people who complains a lot about his appearance and all that. Assuming they focused on addressing addiction and cautioning people who are actually going astray, there would have been some quality respect left in social control.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

This problem cannot be simply left and nothing can be done.

The first thing she should do is hide the money not at home, but in a place where it is impossible to get to it, otherwise, if she leaves it at home, in a fit of losing, he will do everything to get to it, there is no doubt about it, so why tempt him with this money.

The second is to start communicating with those of your friends and relatives who have a similar problem. Even if you can’t find such people, like-minded people will help on the forum and other sites. You should not underestimate this situation, because if bad things start to happen, you should always be prepared for them and take quick action so that things don’t get worse.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2024, 01:44:52 AM

If a boy below 18 years of age who has no income gets involved in gambling and after getting involved he becomes addicted to gambling then when he cannot manage money for gambling but he can go in wrong direction to manage money. We see many drug addicted boys and girls who, if they don't get money for drugs, misbehave with family members and commit various misdeeds. A boy under the age of 18 who is involved in gambling must be brought out of gambling addiction and the family must supervise the matter so that the boy does not become addicted to gambling. Because it will not be good for the family if the boy gets addicted to gambling and he can definitely commit such misdeeds.

You are right, mate, but the problem with some kids is that they can actually keep their habit as a secret from their parents, it's after they must have become too addicted, that's only when their parents or guidance are going to find out and by that time it might have been too late. Like you said, that's the reason why we have some young people in the street misbehaving and doing all sort illegal just to get money to gamble with.

It's hard to say if a child is involved in gambling, unless taken unawares. In as much as the underaged player no longer stays with his guardians, they'll be no way to go around the situation, other than inviting him home and recommend a rehab program or therapy session. Thus, Parents have to deal with this carefully, to retain the sanity of their wards.

Therefore, the player's pocket money should be restricted, or cut into half, such that whenever he asks for more, he'll be required to return home. Afterwards, the kid with addiction can directly be asked questions, regarding what mostly consumes his/her funds. Then, followed up with a professional therapist.

Of all the situations, if underage children are addicted to gambling and they no longer live with their extended family, then it is quite difficult to detect their gambling activities. Therefore, the challenge for parents to supervise them is also very difficult, simply put, parental control is very limited. One solution to this in my opinion is to communicate openly, as you said inviting them home and talking to them like adults. We know that social control is no longer running in many environments, adults who see underage children making mistakes no longer have the initiative to reprimand or remind them. So each parent is fully responsible for guiding their children so that they do not act beyond the limit. Meanwhile, Parents must teach children about financial management, how and where money is better invested. I think in all neighborhoods and families, have their own traditions in educating children.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on September 15, 2024, 11:55:30 AM

As for someone who's financially dependant on others indulging in gambling, it's a bad idea for me. I judge it irresponsibility when I see someone gamble on funds that aren't theirs.

It is better to gamble with the funds you earn instead of depending on someone financially. One can be able to control how much he puts into gambling because it is hard-earned money. Dependents might suffer from gambling disorder since they don't know how hard it is to earn money. Another problem with dependents is that they might go the extra mile to get funds to gamble if they are given money by their parents. It can make them steal or do other illegal things to raise funds to gamble.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 15, 2024, 11:48:43 AM

I agree. Investment instead of gambling but they also have to be careful with what they will invest with. Bitcoin should be the main focus when it comes to cryptocurrencies. But Bitcoin and let it rot. Cheesy

Now, when it comes to altcoins there are so many options out there but I would still prefer Ethereum as the main altcoin to have. It's simply going with the flow of Bitcoin so you won't have to worry about it.

Gambling is an area where there is so much darkness in it. It's be killed or kill them which is a very low percentage to happen. Most gamblers are killed and they will be left with no balance remaining in their wallets.
Be wise when you gamble. Play it but don't overdo it. It's not a job, it's just a game. Think like that and you will have no worries in the future.

A wise and responsible person would be able to easily differentiate between the two and they would also know how they need to split their income in both if they are willing to do both. There is nothing wrong with being a gambler and a trader simultaneously, it's all about how you manage your finances and stay financially healthy despite having your fingers in both at the same time.

For example, if you are earning $1,000 a month, and saving $500 after all the expenses and everything, you should know how you need to divide that amount for both activities that you do. A wise person would invest $400 out of that in cryptocurrencies that they know has good potential, and use the remaining $100 for their gambling activities because they would know the amount they are using for gambling is as good as gone, so it should be an amount that they can afford to lose.

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Quote from: hyudien on June 03, 2024, 05:05:29 AM

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With communication we can open up any problems and can find the best solution to solve the problem. In my opinion, there should be no boundaries between parents and children, because if there are boundaries, it will create a relationship that ultimately makes communication not run smoothly.

As effective as communication is in bonding and building great relationship in a family, it's sadly not always applied. It's hard for most modern parents like us dealing with Gen-Z kids because of the preponderance of what is consumed on the internet. Those days, kids used to go out to gamble and that could mean parents having movement control over their children. That's not the case now as kids can lock themselves up in rooms or wherever and access any gambling sites they want.

As for someone who's financially dependant on others indulging in gambling, it's a bad idea for me. I judge it irresponsibility when I see someone gamble on funds that aren't theirs.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 15, 2024, 05:17:45 AM

Personally, I don't see any problem with this guy gambling if he uses only his own money and does not overstep the bounds of the law. I started gambling long before I came of age and I am still gambling, but I have changed my attitude to gambling radically since then.

I would advise young gamblers to pay attention to the study of cryptocurrencies and investing. It is quite an interesting area to study. Gambling is entertainment, and investing with the right approach is an opportunity to earn money.

I agree. Investment instead of gambling but they also have to be careful with what they will invest with. Bitcoin should be the main focus when it comes to cryptocurrencies. But Bitcoin and let it rot. Cheesy

Now, when it comes to altcoins there are so many options out there but I would still prefer Ethereum as the main altcoin to have. It's simply going with the flow of Bitcoin so you won't have to worry about it.

Gambling is an area where there is so much darkness in it. It's be killed or kill them which is a very low percentage to happen. Most gamblers are killed and they will be left with no balance remaining in their wallets.
Be wise when you gamble. Play it but don't overdo it. It's not a job, it's just a game. Think like that and you will have no worries in the future.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2024, 01:44:52 AM

If a boy below 18 years of age who has no income gets involved in gambling and after getting involved he becomes addicted to gambling then when he cannot manage money for gambling but he can go in wrong direction to manage money. We see many drug addicted boys and girls who, if they don't get money for drugs, misbehave with family members and commit various misdeeds. A boy under the age of 18 who is involved in gambling must be brought out of gambling addiction and the family must supervise the matter so that the boy does not become addicted to gambling. Because it will not be good for the family if the boy gets addicted to gambling and he can definitely commit such misdeeds.

You are right, mate, but the problem with some kids is that they can actually keep their habit as a secret from their parents, it's after they must have become too addicted, that's only when their parents or guidance are going to find out and by that time it might have been too late. Like you said, that's the reason why we have some young people in the street misbehaving and doing all sort illegal just to get money to gamble with.

It's hard to say if a child is involved in gambling, unless taken unawares. In as much as the underaged player no longer stays with his guardians, they'll be no way to go around the situation, other than inviting him home and recommend a rehab program or therapy session. Thus, Parents have to deal with this carefully, to retain the sanity of their wards.

Therefore, the player's pocket money should be restricted, or cut into half, such that whenever he asks for more, he'll be required to return home. Afterwards, the kid with addiction can directly be asked questions, regarding what mostly consumes his/her funds. Then, followed up with a professional therapist.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

Family members and biological parents are different, so if the family member who reported or told about the gambling is not worried, then it is natural, because he is only a family member and not his parents. Because after all, in reality his own mother asked him to stop and it is clear, the young man should stop if his parents have asked him to stop. But maybe, if the young man is able to explain and convince his parents that he will be fine, then it might not be a problem. Because after all, in reality the young man has also been proven not to do negative things like stealing or so on, because he also only gambles with his own money and will not gamble when he has no money, and that will basically still be fine.

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Quote from: adpinbr on June 02, 2024, 03:25:56 AM

Yes this is why I said that when some one is little below 18 or above 18 a little also, should I have their own life style,to me a notice that the boy is just trying to make money and have some good thing for himself and it not easy for him so to me he has to run back to the person who is getting more money than him? Which happens to be his mother and he can’t ask for me for any good reason because no good reason available, the only thing he wants to do is to still the money and that becomes a big problem between him and her mother, all we need to do is to advise the son to stop and make him happy that he will be great and get his own money

What the child did was wrong and painful at the same time, there is no justification for it, especially if the parent is not rich but still striving to give him a good life. Putting the pressure of the extra burden of gambling on her is not fair, and we should all condemn it in all ways possible. Going to the mother for it is better than stealing from another person though, who knows what could happen from there?

But still, such a child needs to be more severely punished, then advice may later follow. He doesn't have any right to gamble when he is still not making money by himself. That is why I always maintain that attaining the adult age is not even the main requisite to gambling in my opinion, you need maturity and also should have started earning for yourself before engaging in it to know how painful it is if you lose your hard-earned money, not otherwise.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 13, 2024, 01:44:52 AM

If a boy below 18 years of age who has no income gets involved in gambling and after getting involved he becomes addicted to gambling then when he cannot manage money for gambling but he can go in wrong direction to manage money. We see many drug addicted boys and girls who, if they don't get money for drugs, misbehave with family members and commit various misdeeds. A boy under the age of 18 who is involved in gambling must be brought out of gambling addiction and the family must supervise the matter so that the boy does not become addicted to gambling. Because it will not be good for the family if the boy gets addicted to gambling and he can definitely commit such misdeeds.

You are right, mate, but the problem with some kids is that they can actually keep their habit as a secret from their parents, it's after they must have become too addicted, that's only when their parents or guidance are going to find out and by that time it might have been too late. Like you said, that's the reason why we have some young people in the street misbehaving and doing all sort illegal just to get money to gamble with.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

A person that is a dependent no matter their age don't have any business gambling because that doesn't portray that they're responsible. It's not proper to use somebody else's hard earned money that they gave to support you and use it to gamble which is dependant on luck. What if the dependant loses all the money in gambling, it would be foolishness to meet the benefactor for another money to solve the same problem. People should gamble with the money that they worked for, knowing fully well that they're taking risk and can either gain by winning or they can lose the money. You should advice your nephew to find other recreations to engage in and only consider gambling when he stairs to make his own money.

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Quote from: Zlantann on August 18, 2023, 03:17:53 AM

A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

Gambling is like a drug. As a result of excessive gambling addiction, many commit various crimes mainly to earn the money they use for their gambling. In this he can steal or collect his bet money in some other way. A family member under the age of 18 is gambling. Although his family doesn't think it's a criminal act, the gambling money he steals is considered a crime. If they considered gambling as a crime, their son might not have been interested in gambling at an early age. First of all, if they stopped gambling, their son would not be addicted to it and would not have the courage to steal.

Although gambling is not illegal in our country, there is a certain age limit. If a boy or girl indulges in gambling below that certain age limit, he is considered a criminal and even socially ostracized.

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