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legendary
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May 18, 2023, 06:08:03 PM
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At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.
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People you describe are hustlers and grifters. This is not about gambling. When someone is actively persuading to do something and misleads you, it's a scam. These people lose because they are being scammed so comparing this to gambling is very misleading. Alarm bells should be ringing in your head when you are magically having a winning streak right at the start.
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May 18, 2023, 04:03:23 PM
Gambking as always been a choice just as everything in life is a matter of our choices and most times regrets always come at the end and that's why there is a warning that only money we can afford to lose should be used for gambling.
I'm sorry the lady had to face this incidence but since the games she went for isn't registered  and are just street games, then I just hope she learns her lesson and never get into gambling not when ahe isn't ready for the consequences  just incase things don't go as planned.

I do wish most times that the casino can just refund me .y .knew when I make losses especially  when I never budgeted for any loss fmbefkre visiting  the casino.
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May 18, 2023, 03:50:22 PM
It is very important for us to make use of our head to avoid future loses. People that are big losers in gambling are losing because they don't keep attention to how they make beta which can be very risky for there healthy. When we keep losing as a gambler, we do felt the pains but atimes we might decide to keep betting maybe we can recover our funds.

Gambling is a choice and when we make those choices and lose, we should accept the results and try to do better next time but the Op story is different. They didn't give the victim a fair chance to make the choice of gambling, she was forced to keep playing.

Most local games uses alternative powers like black magic to keep their victims playing, since it looks like that was what was used in this situation, the girl isn't at fault. Assuming she kept on gambling in her right senses then she won't have called for alarm when she lost.

It was because she realized herself and couldn't find her belongings with her is why she started to cry. We should avoid those street bets and visit a physical casino or virtually visit one on your mobile phone and play your bet carefully without been manipulated.

When we play we have to keep in mind that we are always the ones who choose, if we win or lose it is our responsibility and we cannot do anything other than accept, there is no other option but that, otherwise we have to know that we cannot, I will not blame the casino, nor anyone in case we lose, if we see what can happen in a casino, everything is there ready for us as players to choose, and yes, it will always be a choice, or that it makes us lose or win, everything is in our hands, that is why the game should not be allowed to beat us, that is , we should not be allowed to Fall into addictions.
legendary
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May 18, 2023, 08:57:48 AM
Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.
I have never found someone who is involved in gambling under compulsion, if I see your story, your area is not yet independent, there are many mafia and criminal groups, Indeed gambling is adjusted to the choices of each individual, of course there are every offline and online gambler.

We know gambling has a high risk, losing and winning, all of that is a choice for each of us, losing means you take the risk you shouldn't expect any returns from the gambling industry, what else do you expect returns when you lose, for that you need to consider before making a gambling bet, so you can consider the good and the bad.
hero member
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May 18, 2023, 08:27:52 AM
It is very important for us to make use of our head to avoid future loses. People that are big losers in gambling are losing because they don't keep attention to how they make beta which can be very risky for there healthy. When we keep losing as a gambler, we do felt the pains but atimes we might decide to keep betting maybe we can recover our funds.

Gambling is a choice and when we make those choices and lose, we should accept the results and try to do better next time but the Op story is different. They didn't give the victim a fair chance to make the choice of gambling, she was forced to keep playing.

Most local games uses alternative powers like black magic to keep their victims playing, since it looks like that was what was used in this situation, the girl isn't at fault. Assuming she kept on gambling in her right senses then she won't have called for alarm when she lost.

It was because she realized herself and couldn't find her belongings with her is why she started to cry. We should avoid those street bets and visit a physical casino or virtually visit one on your mobile phone and play your bet carefully without been manipulated.
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May 18, 2023, 07:59:48 AM
Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.
I don't think sportsbetting is more addicting than slots, actually many gamblers tend to gamble on slots because it's faster and easy to play unlike sports where you need to wait for next few days or few months until the match will happen. Someone can say poker, but it's not an easy game to play.

People who gamble slots are think the probability to win is 50/50, but educated gamblers, they know the chance to win is less than sports.

     -   I believe that slots are more addictive than other gambling categories, because there are many games here that I think are more entertaining and easier to win, so if you are unlucky in the game, you are really unlucky.

And besides this, we still need control and discipline in gambling so as not to lead to gambling addiction that will eventually affect our personality and family because this is the main thing that often happens when a gambler does not do it resposibly.
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May 18, 2023, 07:53:23 AM
I don`t have such problems. I don`t lose everything in casino and i don`t need to try to return some money back. I know that there are some gamblers that ready to bet until the have nothing to bet, but it is their problem. Someone can use this problem  to get profit, but you can go to the police if you`re sure that you was cheated.

Yes, in the case mentioned in this thread, it seems that the girl was forced or fraudulently convinced to gamble in a market of his country, and the OP was curious about this is also a thing in online gambling. In the original case, it is reportable to the police, and if you can get proof about anything similar but online, you should be able to do it too.

So gambling should always be a choice, but reality is not always so easy. We are talking about being forced or cheated, but what about those people who have no willpower and can't help but play? it is not clear to what extent they decide to play. The same is being discussed about cigarettes, and to what extent do cravings cloud judgment.
I don`t know what have to do such people. If they have a problem they have to make some effort to win it. For example i quit smoking after 20 years of smoking.


I don`t have such problems. I don`t lose everything in casino and i don`t need to try to return some money back. I know that there are some gamblers that ready to bet until the have nothing to bet, but it is their problem. Someone can use this problem  to get profit, but you can go to the police if you`re sure that you was cheated.
It is very important for us to make use of our head to avoid future loses. People that are big losers in gambling are losing because they don't keep attention to how they make beta which can be very risky for there healthy. When we keep losing as a gambler, we do felt the pains but atimes we might decide to keep betting maybe we can recover our funds.
 Gambling iwna choice so whatsoever is the result, we have to admit it when we become a winner or loser. When I gamble and I make loses I do step down for sometime before I go back to regain my spirit to plan get back to betting again.
It is the only right decision. We mustn`t try to win money back. Usually it means that we`ll just lose more money. We have to set some limits to stop if we reach them and it doesn`t matter what time or money it would be.

Yes, you are right, mate and in short, gambler who is losing a lot is normal, it is because they are too greedy in betting they are not thinking what are the possible outcome before they bet. And we all know that in the world of gambling, gamblers must control themselves to prevent addiction and prevent such loss because gambling is all about luck and analyzing for example in basketball sports you should know and analyze who's the stronger team so that you can put your bet in them and have a high percentage of winning.
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May 18, 2023, 07:08:16 AM
I don`t have such problems. I don`t lose everything in casino and i don`t need to try to return some money back. I know that there are some gamblers that ready to bet until the have nothing to bet, but it is their problem. Someone can use this problem  to get profit, but you can go to the police if you`re sure that you was cheated.

Yes, in the case mentioned in this thread, it seems that the girl was forced or fraudulently convinced to gamble in a market of his country, and the OP was curious about this is also a thing in online gambling. In the original case, it is reportable to the police, and if you can get proof about anything similar but online, you should be able to do it too.

So gambling should always be a choice, but reality is not always so easy. We are talking about being forced or cheated, but what about those people who have no willpower and can't help but play? it is not clear to what extent they decide to play. The same is being discussed about cigarettes, and to what extent do cravings cloud judgment.
I don`t know what have to do such people. If they have a problem they have to make some effort to win it. For example i quit smoking after 20 years of smoking.


I don`t have such problems. I don`t lose everything in casino and i don`t need to try to return some money back. I know that there are some gamblers that ready to bet until the have nothing to bet, but it is their problem. Someone can use this problem  to get profit, but you can go to the police if you`re sure that you was cheated.
It is very important for us to make use of our head to avoid future loses. People that are big losers in gambling are losing because they don't keep attention to how they make beta which can be very risky for there healthy. When we keep losing as a gambler, we do felt the pains but atimes we might decide to keep betting maybe we can recover our funds.
 Gambling iwna choice so whatsoever is the result, we have to admit it when we become a winner or loser. When I gamble and I make loses I do step down for sometime before I go back to regain my spirit to plan get back to betting again.
It is the only right decision. We mustn`t try to win money back. Usually it means that we`ll just lose more money. We have to set some limits to stop if we reach them and it doesn`t matter time or money it would be.
hero member
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May 18, 2023, 06:38:56 AM
Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.
I don't think sportsbetting is more addicting than slots, actually many gamblers tend to gamble on slots because it's faster and easy to play unlike sports where you need to wait for next few days or few months until the match will happen. Someone can say poker, but it's not an easy game to play.

People who gamble slots are think the probability to win is 50/50, but educated gamblers, they know the chance to win is less than sports.
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May 18, 2023, 06:35:15 AM
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Yeah, I've witnessed this on multiple occasions where such scammers actually have some partners who would pretend to also be players or customers if case they are selling something, and they show like the other person is winning and then the guy goes away with the money he won through the game, the spectators start thinking that it is actually legit.

They are very good at what they do, they are persuasive and very clever in getting you totally engaged so that you don't realize that you are getting scammed, and you only realize it when they've done their work already.

We are talking about the difference between gambling via internet or doing it in the real world, and the OP exposed a case where the victim was forced to play a biased or unfair play. We have been saying that the mentioned practice is typical and we have seen it in movies or even some in real life, but we are not linking this to online casinos.

But although I don't know concrete cases, something similar could hypothetically be done online, at a greater scale (not case by case but in a shotgun fashion). I'm thinking on pseudo-influencers who buy an old account to give a false sensation of experience and cheat on viewers so they fall in prefigured trick. For example, they could try to convince you to exploit some hypothetical weak point and share the profits, to let you eventually know that the one exploited were you and not any casino or third party.
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May 18, 2023, 05:31:53 AM
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This are two contrasting situations. Your post is talking about a scamming scheme where people are lured into betting on a rigged game, they could do this by having one of the scammers pretend to be a player and win on their bets, just enough to make it believable, anyone who falls victim tries their luck and wins a little amount, not a serious loss for the scammers, but just enough to keep them playing, if they keep playing they start taking their money gradually till the person tires out or runs out of cash.

Online gambling on reputable websites is different from this. The house always wants to win but has to be provably fair, to not scam players. There exist some scam gambling websites, so players should always verify before depositing into any platform.
Yeah, I've witnessed this on multiple occasions where such scammers actually have some partners who would pretend to also be players or customers if case they are selling something, and they show like the other person is winning and then the guy goes away with the money he won through the game, the spectators start thinking that it is actually legit.

They are very good at what they do, they are persuasive and very clever in getting you totally engaged so that you don't realize that you are getting scammed, and you only realize it when they've done their work already.
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May 18, 2023, 05:13:24 AM
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It's painful when you lose money that you aren't ready to lose, that's the point, I don't use less than 30$ for gambling and this money is from my extra income and gambling isn't something I do time to time, its once or twice in a week, that's if the game is addicting on the fun part, so I am not a chaser of life changing money from online gambling, never.

Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.
It will hurt if we lose more money than we can afford because it has exceeded the limit we previously set if we really have a limit. But the average gambler who plays gambling can spend more money than they can imagine so they are not ready to see the loss.

And as we know, playing slot games can make us forget because it's so fun to play. And this is what gets them addicted because of the fun of getting a Scatter or something else that can make them want to keep playing.
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May 18, 2023, 04:28:56 AM
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At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.
Then this is obviously a scam. Anyone who gambles in this type of game is probably ignorant and will likely regret it in the end. Sometimes we need to control our urges, as scammers are skilled at attracting unsuspecting individuals, particularly those who may lack knowledge or understanding.

This is very common in some online virtual gambling games and many of the physical street gambling or the casino house gambling as well, what they do is a trick unknown to a gambler who is not used to them or how they operates, ones you join then in such gambling, they must ensure they emptied your pocket to the last penny before you leave there.

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My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
I don't feel good but I'll still be able to recover immediately because I made to gamble what I can only afford to lose.

No body gambles and loose to feel happy but we get the encouragement through the fun we have to always continue since our major target wasn't to win at all cost except those that solely depends on their gambling winnings as a survival means.


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Do you wish the site can refund your money??
I'm not stupid to expect that, if I lose money then that's their money. refund only happens when there is a mistake.

Exactly, once you have opted in for gambling and place the bet, it's an irreversible action, either you win or loose, the bet can't be cancelled, same way if you win they can't hold your money than to give you, if you loose as well, the stake is gone, that's why you shouldn't gamble with the money which does not belong to you.
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May 18, 2023, 04:23:26 AM
#96
It's painful when you lose money that you aren't ready to lose, that's the point, I don't use less than 30$ for gambling and this money is from my extra income and gambling isn't something I do time to time, its once or twice in a week, that's if the game is addicting on the fun part, so I am not a chaser of life changing money from online gambling, never.

Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.
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May 18, 2023, 03:07:05 AM
#95
This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.
How you can say betting on shell game isn't gambling? you're stake your money and you're need to choose between 2 or more shells which one have money inside, it's gambling because you're can make money if you pick the correct shell and you will lose your money if you pick a wrong shell.

I don't think there's a trick from this game, you're need to have a good reflect and a good eye to see the move.
It is true that it remains a form of gambling because it is risking money and it still depends on luck because it is difficult to choose 2 shells that we think are right but when opened there is nothing inside.
I slightly disagree if they don't use tricks, of course they still use tricks to be able to beat people who come to bring money for them.
So this is actually a little spur on fraud because it uses tricks to win.
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May 18, 2023, 02:50:17 AM
#94
This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.
How you can say betting on shell game isn't gambling? you're stake your money and you're need to choose between 2 or more shells which one have money inside, it's gambling because you're can make money if you pick the correct shell and you will lose your money if you pick a wrong shell.

I don't think there's a trick from this game, you're need to have a good reflect and a good eye to see the move.
legendary
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May 18, 2023, 02:31:10 AM
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice, but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.

I agree with self control and preparations gambling is more on how you deal not only with your winnings but more with your losses, if you know how to play with your emotions and you fully understand how to utilize your set of limitations that's the key to prevent any harm as you can still dominate yourself.

There are many factors that will cause un-control situations. It's your own decision making that matters and you should keep your self-control.
Maintaining self-control is of course very important.  But sometimes it's quite difficult to do.  In addition, people are so different that if one retains self-control even in extreme situations, then the other can freak out simply from an unpleasant word not carefully said to him.  It is all the different mental types and characters of people that determine their further actions.  If a person knows that he can lose self-control in gambling, then it is better to never play at all.  
But it's boring.  And he wants to have fun.

But in any case, whenever you see a crowd of players around one who rearranges glasses with a goblet, then these are definitely scammers and you will definitely be left without money if you decide to play with them.  And then you can be indignant and upset as much as you like.  Nothing will help here.  

True, in developed countries, the police disperse such scammers and there are few of them.  In places where tourists go there, the police follow it.  But of course this doesn't happen in Rio's favelas.   Smiley
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May 18, 2023, 02:18:06 AM
#92
Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

this is not different to the "Chess Gang" in our university back in the days , where they will give a puzzle move that you will surely see how to mate the King , but that will only happen once , because the next coming puzzle will be very difficult for you to win though when you look at it , seems to be easy but not when you made your move.
What I was telling here is that strategy of each scammers are the same and that is to lure you with first win ,and the riskiest part here is that If you try to go on your way after winning the first game? the gang will harass you that you cannot go away with that said winning.
but this scammers have gone long now because they are being burned years ago.
the lesson here is never engage in any gambling game on the street , instead try to go in proper gambling place or much better to play online in of course legit and trusted site for your safeties and better result of gambling.
legendary
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May 18, 2023, 01:43:48 AM
#91
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice, but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.

I agree with self control and preparations gambling is more on how you deal not only with your winnings but more with your losses, if you know how to play with your emotions and you fully understand how to utilize your set of limitations that's the key to prevent any harm as you can still dominate yourself.

There are many factors that will cause un-control situations. It's your own decision making that matters and you should keep your self-control.
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May 18, 2023, 01:11:58 AM
#90
Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.

Losses are general something on any casino but you need to be prepared, since loss is something you can't escape from you need to always go into gambling with money you are ready to lose, most games on casinos are pure luck games and the skill requires games are very limited, some online casinos don't even have them.

Gamble responsibly, to avoid stories that touches.
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