Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling (Read 23119 times)
All right. This thread has crashed and burned into a hot mess of name calling and nonsense. Can I lock this thing or does a mod have to do it?
Your edit could be read as, Theymos is up for a bit of 'price enhancement'. Im sure that's not what you meant.
No, you should reread it, and maybe lurk more to get context.
Thing is mostly I'm talking to people who have been here 3 plus year but the 1 month n00bs are the ones who "don't get it".
Really unattractive.
i never said I was pretty.
Ignored
i warned this shit would happen weeks ago
brb, "auctioning" a couple things off
brb, "auctioning" a couple things off
Your edit could be read as, Theymos is up for a bit of 'price enhancement'. Im sure that's not what you meant.
No, you should reread it, and maybe lurk more to get context.
Thing is mostly I'm talking to people who have been here 3 plus year but the 1 month n00bs are the ones who "don't get it".
Really unattractive.
No need to get nasty. I'm trying to figure out the logic. So your saying that the same person that can't even legally enter into an auction agreement is now running a company? With shareholders? And he's got about 25 grand of donations? Do Cognitive shareholders know this? You're right on one aspect that a juvenile cannot enter into a binding contract, which means this thing gets fisher with each day.
Goat is a Cognitive shareholder. Helps makes sense of the consistent defense of Garr - including the duration of Garr's first lie.
Defender of Garr? No I said he was a cunt for being a cunt. Go reread what i posted.
I'm defending Theymos here for enforcing his twisted rules of what is or what is not a scammer on this forum.
Matthew is a scammer, Pirate at 40 is a scammer, Garr is not.
Deal with it.
edit: Also if Garr was a scammer than Theymos would also odds are be a scammer. Lose rules man but still rules.
Re-reading, per your suggestion:
Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.
There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.
There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.
Hmm...
There is an option c here.
This might not be as black and white as people suspect.
But good thread for popped corn.
There is an option c here.
This might not be as black and white as people suspect.
But good thread for popped corn.
Hmm...
There is an option c here.
This might not be as black and white as people suspect.
But good thread for popped corn.
There is an option c here.
This might not be as black and white as people suspect.
But good thread for popped corn.
You might want to mention it considering Garr is currently bound by Josh not to defend himself, or risk losing his BFL shipment.
I cant prove it or have access to the info needed to be able to prove it. However there is a reasonable answer. If theymos looked into it i think he could confirm.
If this does get looked into you guys might be shocked by the findings and maybe everyone here has been honest.
These are all quotes from before Garr's first and second confession. I'm not finding where you called him a "cunt"
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
They guy is a child who cant even hold legal binding auctions. And you are bitching he broke some rules some of you thought were real but theymos said were not?
WTF?
Then he certainly isn't old enough to run Cognitive and he double certainly shouldn't be holding onto 250BTC of forum funds. Which is it?
dont give money to his operation! dont give money to the forum! fuck off you troll!! free market!
also see this thread and see why theymos has not sent out a scammer tag, BBF shit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-coinabul-owe-me-81btc-149253
No need to get nasty. I'm trying to figure out the logic. So your saying that the same person that can't even legally enter into an auction agreement is now running a company? With shareholders? And he's got about 25 grand of donations? Do Cognitive shareholders know this? You're right on one aspect that a juvenile cannot enter into a binding contract, which means this thing gets fisher with each day.
Goat is a Cognitive shareholder. Helps makes sense of the consistent defense of Garr - including the duration of Garr's first lie.
Defender of Garr? No I said he was a cunt for being a cunt. Go reread what i posted.
I'm defending Theymos here for enforcing his twisted rules of what is or what is not a scammer on this forum.
Matthew is a scammer, Pirate at 40 is a scammer, Garr is not.
Deal with it.
edit: Also if Garr was a scammer than Theymos would also odds are be a scammer. Lose rules man but still rules.
Your edit could be read as, Theymos is up for a bit of 'price enhancement'. Im sure that's not what you meant.
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
They guy is a child who cant even hold legal binding auctions. And you are bitching he broke some rules some of you thought were real but theymos said were not?
WTF?
Then he certainly isn't old enough to run Cognitive and he double certainly shouldn't be holding onto 250BTC of forum funds. Which is it?
dont give money to his operation! dont give money to the forum! fuck off you troll!! free market!
also see this thread and see why theymos has not sent out a scammer tag, BBF shit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-coinabul-owe-me-81btc-149253
No need to get nasty. I'm trying to figure out the logic. So your saying that the same person that can't even legally enter into an auction agreement is now running a company? With shareholders? And he's got about 25 grand of donations? Do Cognitive shareholders know this? You're right on one aspect that a juvenile cannot enter into a binding contract, which means this thing gets fisher with each day.
The funny thing is you are trying to enforce a contract that never was. And even if it was, it can't be enforced.
At this point I honestly think you are just tolling.
How is this trolling? You brought up the argument that the auction was null and void because he's "a child". The auction contract maybe invalid, but he still committed auction fraud. Well, maybe not - these board standards are very confusing to me. I didn't think I had to put a clause that said basically "I have the right to cheat/not to cheat as I see fit."
I'm not arguing the contract. Wait, is he planning to refund the bidders and not ship??
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
They guy is a child who cant even hold legal binding auctions. And you are bitching he broke some rules some of you thought were real but theymos said were not?
WTF?
Then he certainly isn't old enough to run Cognitive and he double certainly shouldn't be holding onto 250BTC of forum funds. Which is it?
dont give money to his operation! dont give money to the forum! fuck off you troll!! free market!
also see this thread and see why theymos has not sent out a scammer tag, BBF shit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-coinabul-owe-me-81btc-149253
No need to get nasty. I'm trying to figure out the logic. So your saying that the same person that can't even legally enter into an auction agreement is now running a company? With shareholders? And he's got about 25 grand of donations? Do Cognitive shareholders know this? You're right on one aspect that a juvenile cannot enter into a binding contract, which means this thing gets fisher with each day.
Goat is a Cognitive shareholder. Helps makes sense of the consistent defense of Garr - including the duration of Garr's first
Edit: lie is debatable.
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
They guy is a child who cant even hold legal binding auctions. And you are bitching he broke some rules some of you thought were real but theymos said were not?
WTF?
Then he certainly isn't old enough to run Cognitive and he double certainly shouldn't be holding onto 250BTC of forum funds. Which is it?
dont give money to his operation! dont give money to the forum! fuck off you troll!! free market!
also see this thread and see why theymos has not sent out a scammer tag, BBF shit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-coinabul-owe-me-81btc-149253
No need to get nasty. I'm trying to figure out the logic. So your saying that the same person that can't even legally enter into an auction agreement is now running a company? With shareholders? And he's got about 25 grand of donations? Do Cognitive shareholders know this? You're right on one aspect that a juvenile cannot enter into a binding contract, which means this thing gets fisher with each day.
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
They guy is a child who cant even hold legal binding auctions. And you are bitching he broke some rules some of you thought were real but theymos said were not?
WTF?
Then he certainly isn't old enough to run Cognitive and he double certainly shouldn't be holding onto 250BTC of forum funds. Which is it?
Had Garr255 warned people he could manipulate the prices would you still participate in the auction? After all, Garr255 has a right to sell his products for whatever price he would like to, and might've just been using the initial "auction" as a way to gauge the demand for the chip, and then set a price he would be willing to sell at.
Is that a rhetorical question, and if not, what would the answer change? If i came to a shillathon, my buying strategy would certainly differ from that of a real auction. I'd still show up & see how desperate the seller is to sell, but i wouldn't "bid"
Perhaps if i knew the seller was gauging the market, i'd bring 10 shills of my own & troll the price up absurdly high, just to get the seller to overstock & be forced to sell at a loss 
You evil, evil genius.
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
Garr forced people to pay a price people were happy to pay. free market wins, people wanted a "deal" did not get it and are fucking shitting themselvez cuz some guy on the internet "tricked" them.
face palm for just about everyone in this thread other than the people who said, yeah garr fucked up but its not the end of the world. he apoligized and paid out so let us move on.
Two very easy solutions: no sock puppet bidding, auctioneers use a reserve price.
I was debating on auctioning off my SC Single. In your logic, I could set it up, let people bid, then have my sock send the bid up to 1000BTC in the last few seconds. Maybe someone would be desperate enough to outbid me (doubtful). I win my own auction every single time until I get the price I want. Why have the auction in the first place? The entire auction process becomes a giant circle-jerk where the auctioneer sets the price, not the bidders. That's not how an auction works.
Edit : Garr should have set a reserve price instead of the sock shill
and to even have a clue here you need to have invested 20,000 plus hours and millions of dollars worth of BTC.
What?
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
to hold an auction? yeah that will be hard
To hold a successful auction.
I would also add that how we handle situations like this could quite possibly determine the future of bitcoin commerce. We can either blow this off as a single disruption that is harmless, or we can unite against scams like these and make an example of them. As one person has already said, if behavior like this is tolerated, who would ever feel comfortable bidding on an auction in this forum again?
Bitcoin is rife with scams. Let's not continue to tolerate it with faulty logic like "oh it happens all the time. Why are you surprised?" How about people start getting pissed about it, shunning those that do it, and start trying to make this a better place so people can conduct commerce fairly. It's not just for our benefit, but for those who may get involved in bitcoin in the future. It benefits all of us to see people like this publicly shamed (and I'm not talking about the way Inaba did it... I mean the RIGHT way with a scammer tag or some objective method).
Bitcoin is rife with scams. Let's not continue to tolerate it with faulty logic like "oh it happens all the time. Why are you surprised?" How about people start getting pissed about it, shunning those that do it, and start trying to make this a better place so people can conduct commerce fairly. It's not just for our benefit, but for those who may get involved in bitcoin in the future. It benefits all of us to see people like this publicly shamed (and I'm not talking about the way Inaba did it... I mean the RIGHT way with a scammer tag or some objective method).
The news for you would be that:
A. Nothing happening on this forum has any impact on Bitcoin anything, be it finance, commerce or etcetera.
B. Nothing a user registered a coupla months ago has to say carries any weight or importance.
Yes, I get it, you love the concept and wish to change the world. Good for you.
Fortunately, length of time on a forum is not tantamount to credibility, which you make the point nicely. I don't think you get it. But it doesn't matter because there is power in numbers, and there are many more here that do get it.
I was recently contacted by Garr to remove my negative trust rating for him. I declined, based on the "could have lost" clause. I would recommend the original two highest bidders to consider this action.
I agree that trust takes a lifetime to build, and only a few posts to obliterate.
I agree thats a very good and true quote
I agree. He never did the full refund thing like i joked about or did the im under age so no contract is even valid card. Garr in all of this was more of a man about than just about all of us would have been.
He said he fucked up and paid for it when he could have got out of it.
While it was good that he came out with it, there was no way he would have gotten out of it. The evidence was all over and Theymos could have confirmed Garr was Werner, just as Theymos quickly noted that Garr wasn't svbeon.
I was recently contacted by Garr to remove my negative trust rating for him. I declined, based on the "could have lost" clause. I would recommend the original two highest bidders to consider this action.
I agree that trust takes a lifetime to build, and only a few posts to obliterate.
I agree thats a very good and true quote
I agree. He never did the full refund thing like i joked about or did the im under age so no contract is even valid card. Garr in all of this was more of a man about than just about all of us would have been.
He said he fucked up and paid for it when he could have got out of it.
Let's make sure he has to work real hard to get the chance to pull this shit off again.
I was recently contacted by Garr to remove my negative trust rating for him. I declined, based on the "could have lost" clause. I would recommend the original two highest bidders to consider this action.
I agree that trust takes a lifetime to build, and only a few posts to obliterate.
I agree thats a very good and true quote
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