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Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling - page 8. (Read 23108 times)

full member
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June 21, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
It's almost certainly someone pretending to be a sock-puppet of Garr's for a laugh.

Yes, it is.

Wait!!!!!

You (your forum) refused to confirm Werner is Garr's sock puppet for how long?

You (your forum) refused to violate the sanctity of a deleted post for how long??

Now, just off hand, you quickly confirm that an account that makes Garr look bad _is_ a sock puppet.


Dude, this is REALLY wrong.  You are playing favorites.  You are using your position on this forum to promote your own interests and that of your friends.  You are doing this in a fashion that appears to be underhanded.  

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck; it is a duck.

You, theymos, are looking as bad as Garr and Josh.  Perhaps you should look to MNW as a role model of how to do the right thing.

I just considered not posting the above to protect my presence here.  Fuck that.  Go ahead.  Delete this post and ban my account if you think it necessary.

If this forum represents bitcoin, bitcoin will suffer a long time before it succeeds, if ever.
jr. member
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June 21, 2013, 02:32:18 PM
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If he wanted to win the auction then obviously he was willing to pay BTC63, no? He's still not forcing anybody to pay money they would not be willing to pay. This is equivalent to refusing a price in a bargain, something perfectly reasonable.

I don't see any problem in what Garr did, however I am disappointed he didn't warn people he was doing this. However, that's still not something worthy of a scammer tag.

Yet another person I will NOT have fiduciary dealings with.

This is a very useful thread.  I could not devise a better test for determining who is and is _not_ honest.


I'm honest, I wouldn't do an auction and use a sock puppet for it, but I'm saying I see nothing wrong with it, just the method he executed it (Using an anonymous sock puppet) was bad. If I were to do an auction, and I genuinely wasn't happy with the prices I would raise the current bid, however I wouldn't use an anonymous sock puppet, and I would warn people I might do it beforehand.
legendary
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Goonies never say die.
June 21, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
This is the 2nd disheartening thread in one week for me... between Avalon being accused of mining with customer equipment and mods allowing sockpuppets, BTC is causing me more anxiety than fiat.  Cool   
...I am just too much of a geek to walk away from it... but I do have a threshold  Undecided
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June 21, 2013, 02:21:54 PM
As an outsider, and being bored at work today, I read all of this, and all of the stuff on Matthew's "bet". Now, perhaps I am missing something, but here are the points I see as relevant:

1. Did matthew actually take money form anyone? (from what I could see, he did not)

2. Reading the huge thread on his "bet", I actually found myself laughing quite a bit. How could ANYONE have actually thought that it was serious? It's like watching Reality TV and thinking it isn't all scripted.

3. Where did he "actually" scam anyone? Scamming, to me anyway, would be defined as stealing money in some way. I can't see anywhere this happened.

4. It seems like all the upset people were upset because they didn't get any free money, which they did nothing to get anyway. None "lost" any that they already had. Too me its like giving my friend saying he will put $10 on a horse for me. He ends up not going to the track, so he never bets on a horse. Did I get 10 bucks scammed?

5. Garr OUTRIGHT robbed people. In an ACTUAL auction (in my state anyway) shill bidding is FLAT-OUT illegal. Period. It's like going thru the drive thru, then the cashier adding $5.00 onto your bill and keeping it. Did she hold a gun to your head to make you buy your Doritos Tacos? No. Did she scam you? HELL YES!

6. It is VERY obvious that the apology was a last resort, no way out. "Oh look, I sent a picture of my penis to someone and I am a politician. I can just deny it was me." "Oh look, they tied the picture to my account, shit, no way out of this now." "I am deeply troubled by the penis picture. I am seeking help, and am extremely dissapointed in my own actions." Muhahahah, next time I will buy a disposable cellphone!!

7. Refusing to ban/scammer tag/etc Garr can ONLY be because of some sort of friendship/financial/dating/WOW buddies or some other relationship. I mean what grey area is there here? He scammed, plain and simple, and got caught doing it. And he didn't do it just once either. That Werner account was NOT new.

I am writing this all down though, gonna sell it as the next Netflix Original Series! "The BTC Conspiracy--A 10 part limited series, only on Netflix"



I have the same read on this that you do.

When I came to bitcointalk I was expecting to find a tight group of folks who valued honesty.

Sure, there would be the Josh type of idiot and the ever present crowd of minor thieves and pickpockets but the luminaries of the forum would reasonably be good people.

Theymos, Goat and Garr are not meeting that expectation.  The worrisome part is other folks, even those universally respected (John K.) in the community seem to turn a blind eye to this and support it, if only by association.

The really strange thing is the guy that this forum has branded as "Untrustworthy" is actually the one person here that I do trust.

This is one eff'd up place.



Agreed, although I also agree with this :

Matthew: Dude, whether you are right or wrong, your incessant harping on the "injustice" you suffered clutters up nearly ever corner of this forum. I can't even read your posts anymore, as their particular blend of stridency and desperation has become completely repellant. Stop threatening theymos with starting a forum of your own, as he clearly doesn't care. Just fucking do it already. Put everything you have into it, and when it's a success you'll have the redemption that you'll never find here. I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy, but you are wasting your time, and everyone else's. Man up and move on.

I feel for ya Matt, and I think what you did was freaking hilarious, and proved what you were tryinbg to point out with the whole thing in the first place. BUT, its over, they overreacted, and you are stuck with the results. I too think you are one of the more honest guys here, and I would buy from you, but suck it up and move on about the scammer thing. Your just squishing the insides of the dead horse around the room at this point.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
June 21, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
Please do not post with a sock puppet for the next 15 minutes, I ran out of pop corn, be right back!

Just now got to this post. You're not going to believe what happened while you gone for 15 minutes.
full member
Activity: 126
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June 21, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
...

If he wanted to win the auction then obviously he was willing to pay BTC63, no? He's still not forcing anybody to pay money they would not be willing to pay. This is equivalent to refusing a price in a bargain, something perfectly reasonable.

I don't see any problem in what Garr did, however I am disappointed he didn't warn people he was doing this. However, that's still not something worthy of a scammer tag.

Yet another person I will NOT have fiduciary dealings with.

This is a very useful thread.  I could not devise a better test for determining who is and is _not_ honest.
hero member
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0xFB0D8D1534241423
June 21, 2013, 02:17:19 PM
This is one eff'd up place.
Welcome to the cornerstone of the Bitcoin economy Smiley
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Fica Tranquilo
June 21, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
It's almost certainly someone pretending to be a sock-puppet of Garr's for a laugh.

Yes, it is.

And it is funny.
A sock puppet pretending to be another sock puppet.  Grin
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
As an outsider, and being bored at work today, I read all of this, and all of the stuff on Matthew's "bet". Now, perhaps I am missing something, but here are the points I see as relevant:

1. Did matthew actually take money form anyone? (from what I could see, he did not)

2. Reading the huge thread on his "bet", I actually found myself laughing quite a bit. How could ANYONE have actually thought that it was serious? It's like watching Reality TV and thinking it isn't all scripted.

3. Where did he "actually" scam anyone? Scamming, to me anyway, would be defined as stealing money in some way. I can't see anywhere this happened.

4. It seems like all the upset people were upset because they didn't get any free money, which they did nothing to get anyway. None "lost" any that they already had. Too me its like giving my friend saying he will put $10 on a horse for me. He ends up not going to the track, so he never bets on a horse. Did I get 10 bucks scammed?

5. Garr OUTRIGHT robbed people. In an ACTUAL auction (in my state anyway) shill bidding is FLAT-OUT illegal. Period. It's like going thru the drive thru, then the cashier adding $5.00 onto your bill and keeping it. Did she hold a gun to your head to make you buy your Doritos Tacos? No. Did she scam you? HELL YES!

6. It is VERY obvious that the apology was a last resort, no way out. "Oh look, I sent a picture of my penis to someone and I am a politician. I can just deny it was me." "Oh look, they tied the picture to my account, shit, no way out of this now." "I am deeply troubled by the penis picture. I am seeking help, and am extremely dissapointed in my own actions." Muhahahah, next time I will buy a disposable cellphone!!

7. Refusing to ban/scammer tag/etc Garr can ONLY be because of some sort of friendship/financial/dating/WOW buddies or some other relationship. I mean what grey area is there here? He scammed, plain and simple, and got caught doing it. And he didn't do it just once either. That Werner account was NOT new.

I am writing this all down though, gonna sell it as the next Netflix Original Series! "The BTC Conspiracy--A 10 part limited series, only on Netflix"



I have the same read on this that you do.

When I came to bitcointalk I was expecting to find a tight group of folks who valued honesty.

Sure, there would be the Josh type of idiot and the ever present crowd of minor thieves and pickpockets but the luminaries of the forum would reasonably be good people.

Theymos, Goat and Garr are not meeting that expectation.  The worrisome part is other folks, even those universally respected (John K.) in the community seem to turn a blind eye to this and support it, if only by association.

The really strange thing is the guy that this forum has branded as "Untrustworthy" is actually the one person here that I do trust.

This is one eff'd up place.



John K. did show up, and took what seems like the fair stance on all of this, back on page 2

I personally agree that this is something bad, and that it should be looked into. I've always been against the notion of having sockies here, like I told theymos last time... Anyway, only theymos can do the checks here (barring Thomas Stefan of course). I'll PM and direct him to this thread.
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June 21, 2013, 02:14:07 PM
As an outsider, and being bored at work today, I read all of this, and all of the stuff on Matthew's "bet". Now, perhaps I am missing something, but here are the points I see as relevant:

1. Did matthew actually take money form anyone? (from what I could see, he did not)

2. Reading the huge thread on his "bet", I actually found myself laughing quite a bit. How could ANYONE have actually thought that it was serious? It's like watching Reality TV and thinking it isn't all scripted.

3. Where did he "actually" scam anyone? Scamming, to me anyway, would be defined as stealing money in some way. I can't see anywhere this happened.

4. It seems like all the upset people were upset because they didn't get any free money, which they did nothing to get anyway. None "lost" any that they already had. Too me its like giving my friend saying he will put $10 on a horse for me. He ends up not going to the track, so he never bets on a horse. Did I get 10 bucks scammed?

5. Garr OUTRIGHT robbed people. In an ACTUAL auction (in my state anyway) shill bidding is FLAT-OUT illegal. Period. It's like going thru the drive thru, then the cashier adding $5.00 onto your bill and keeping it. Did she hold a gun to your head to make you buy your Doritos Tacos? No. Did she scam you? HELL YES!

6. It is VERY obvious that the apology was a last resort, no way out. "Oh look, I sent a picture of my penis to someone and I am a politician. I can just deny it was me." "Oh look, they tied the picture to my account, shit, no way out of this now." "I am deeply troubled by the penis picture. I am seeking help, and am extremely dissapointed in my own actions." Muhahahah, next time I will buy a disposable cellphone!!

7. Refusing to ban/scammer tag/etc Garr can ONLY be because of some sort of friendship/financial/dating/WOW buddies or some other relationship. I mean what grey area is there here? He scammed, plain and simple, and got caught doing it. And he didn't do it just once either. That Werner account was NOT new.

I am writing this all down though, gonna sell it as the next Netflix Original Series! "The BTC Conspiracy--A 10 part limited series, only on Netflix"



I have the same read on this that you do.

When I came to bitcointalk I was expecting to find a tight group of folks who valued honesty.

Sure, there would be the Josh type of idiot and the ever present crowd of minor thieves and pickpockets but the luminaries of the forum would reasonably be good people.

Theymos, Goat and Garr are not meeting that expectation.  The worrisome part is other folks, even those universally respected (John K.) in the community seem to turn a blind eye to this and support it, if only by association.

The really strange thing is the guy that this forum has branded as "Untrustworthy" is actually the one person here that I do trust.

This is one eff'd up place.

hero member
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June 21, 2013, 02:13:44 PM
Just to add fuel to a raging inferno.  My single arrived.  Just need to pick it up.  Order 1821.  What number was Garr?

Looks like #1656:

This kind of angers me... BFL gives promoters the items out of line.

I have the absolute first SC Single order (#1656), and not even a shipping notification yet.
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Fica Tranquilo
June 21, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
Rampion: I'm saddened that you don't think I'm worthy of participating in the community because of one blatantly stupid mistake. I've never done anything else wrong and do not plan to ever again.



Confession of errors is like a broom which sweeps away the dirt and leaves the surface brighter and clearer. I feel stronger for confession.

Not sure about the last point.  Forced confessions are not the same as voluntary confessions.

You are right.
But it is a start, and he is still young,

sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 02:11:56 PM
Wow, what a shit storm. I wonder if some of you realize how you look to relative newcomers hoping to find a serious community of professionals. Anyway, here's how things look from my vantage point:

theymos: It's your forum so run it as you please, but consider making sock puppets and shill bidding a violation of the TOS. You can't have a reputable trading platform when the admin allows these things to go on. Serious people are not going to bother trading here under these circumstances, and if there's one thing this forum needs, it's serious people.

Garr: You were caught red handed and the stain will follow you for quite some time. Recognize that you aren't as smart as you think you are (I know this is difficult when you're 18) as it will help you immensely in the future. Immediately compensate those people who were defrauded in the auctions and apologize individually to everyone affected. Redeem yourself by getting back to work earning money for your investors, and don't ever cut corners or rationalize cheating to yourself again.

Matthew: Dude, whether you are right or wrong, your incessant harping on the "injustice" you suffered clutters up nearly ever corner of this forum. I can't even read your posts anymore, as their particular blend of stridency and desperation has become completely repellant. Stop threatening theymos with starting a forum of your own, as he clearly doesn't care. Just fucking do it already. Put everything you have into it, and when it's a success you'll have the redemption that you'll never find here. I'm sure you're a perfectly nice guy, but you are wasting your time, and everyone else's. Man up and move on.
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 02:11:18 PM
Just to add fuel to a raging inferno.  My single arrived.  Just need to pick it up.  Order 1821.  What number was Garr?
jr. member
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June 21, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
I don't see any problem in what Garr did, however I am disappointed he didn't warn people he was doing this. However, that's still not something worthy of a scammer tag.
Pretty much this.

Not sure if serious.

Why?
hero member
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
June 21, 2013, 01:45:21 PM
Rampion: I'm saddened that you don't think I'm worthy of participating in the community because of one blatantly stupid mistake. I've never done anything else wrong and do not plan to ever again.


Bullshit.  It just didn't surface [yet]. Just go register a new handle, this one is toast.
Unfortunately he'd have to register a new real name to get the credibility of this one

I propose Ian Fakewell.
hero member
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0xFB0D8D1534241423
June 21, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Rampion: I'm saddened that you don't think I'm worthy of participating in the community because of one blatantly stupid mistake. I've never done anything else wrong and do not plan to ever again.


Bullshit.  It just didn't surface [yet]. Just go register a new handle, this one is toast.
Unfortunately he'd have to register a new real name to get the credibility of this one
sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
Only in the bitcoin world do you have morons paying 63BTC for a freaking asic. i can get you 1500 g/h worth for about 500 bucks from china. freaking noobs

OH OH can i get 3 of them?
hero member
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
June 21, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
Rampion: I'm saddened that you don't think I'm worthy of participating in the community because of one blatantly stupid mistake. I've never done anything else wrong and do not plan to ever again.


Bullshit.  It just didn't surface [yet]. Just go register a new handle, this one is toast.
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June 21, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
It's almost certainly someone pretending to be a sock-puppet of Garr's for a laugh.

Yes, it is.
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