Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling - page 4. (Read 23111 times)

Had a post deleted also.

Jesus christ don't you have some dick to some dick to suck josh.  This thread is over 20 pages now and nothing has been acomplished.  Wait I take that back.  The only thing that's been acomplished is that someone fucked you at your own game. I don't feel any bit sorry for your pansy ass.  Also I'm very pleased I can say this without you throwing your dinky phallus power in my direction.  No order to cancel mother fucker LoL.

I read it 20 times, and as try as i might, i just cant see what it means here and now. So in the absence of anything else meaningful, Im starting to think the same re qualities, with regret.

Which one are you referring to?  Quite a bit has been quoted since and may in fact be posted elsewhere.

Looks like Garr has gone back and deleted at least one of the more egregious posts in that thread, if not more.  Hmm...

Wow! what a thread. Today, on bitcointalk.org, I learned to always ask in an auction before posting a bid, if the OP, friend's of the OP, alts, sockpuppets, or his mother will be bidding on his auction before making a bid.

I'm going to take a shower now.

Shall we nitpick your country and the way they handle shit?  I was going to mention that this comment shows zero leadership qualities.  Then I remembered you just own and run this fourm.  Not that I agree with everything my country does in it's shadowbox king maker realm. This was still an unneeded stab

I feel like I really need to know a lot more about theymos's ideological views... although, I would hope we can put aside ideological views for the good of the bitcoin community?   

I agree 100%.  In my opinion, a scammer is anyone who goes back on their word in any kind of trade or deal and is unable or refuses to compensate the victim in a manner acceptable to the victim.

But is there a reason that shilling and dupe accounts are not prohibited by the TOS? Is that an ideological choice?

It seems to me that you either promote fair dealing or you don't, and while I agree that auction shilling isn't anywhere near pirate level, felonious behavior, it certainly isn't fair dealing. You can't get a little bit pregnant.

TIL a person can be a scammer on bitcointalk without actually being labeled as one.

...and those agreements better be air-tight, 'coz when socking & shilling are legitimized by not being specifically forbidden, best not assume anything 

Theymos is proud to have double standards.

What is the official stance on this? Is bidding on your own auctions using an alternative user account / personality acceptable auction behaviour? Yes, we all agree it is unethical behaviour, but is it condoned? I will not do this to other forum members however many other forum members will delight in the ability to swindle extra ฿ out of the community, consequence free.

This is evident by the litany of theft and crime that takes place in the community. More time is spent on trying to track down the broken pieces of deals and agreements than is spent driving the eco-system forward. I want to know if I will be competing with multiple personality accounts on future auctions, I think other honest forum members deserve to be made aware if this is an environment that will continue to allow this deceitful behaviour to prosper.

Lastly, the Trust system here holds no value. Anyone that has/is/will give Gar255 or any of his multiple personality accounts a positive rating may have done so under false pretences, as well as many other dishonest forum members who shill bid or performed other underhanded works under the guise of another forum account.

Long story short: This community must start to work together to protect itself from the wolves, which are closing in on the sheep as we speak.

And if my understanding of forum policy is correct. You can expect Garr to get a scammer tag if you do not receive your 5 bitcoins.

As I learned after Josh and Luke Jr. defrauded people who bet against BFL on betsofbitcoin: Actions qualifying as fraud do not necessarily and often do not qualify one for a 'scammer' tag here.

I guess I'm understanding that theymos' criteria for a 'scammer' tag is simply breach of an agreed upon explicit contract.

I think a big part of the problem here is the use of the word 'scammer'. That word holds many different connotations to different people. Clearly theymos wants this forum to operate independently of any established social norms. Which is interesting, but not too surprising considering his political views.

Theymos, you should perhaps consider changing the phrasing of the tag to something more specific. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of this drama relating to people arguing over things they think qualify for the tag could be avoided.

what ever, not gonna argue with you. Just to still make it known, I have gotten no contact from garr or any money

Lol, too many threads to follow.  Lots of action to catch up on.  Will read that one next 

The trolling aspect was covered pretty well in this thread.

Chronologically, a lot took place in that one before this scam accusation thread started.  This scam accusation thread only began a little after this point in the original thread:

It's also a felony to resist the government's violent thugs, and the US is fine with bombing innocent people, so I don't put much stock in the US's view on ethics.