Topic: Garr255/Werner - Auction shilling - page 9. (Read 23119 times)

It's almost certainly someone pretending to be a sock-puppet of Garr's for a laugh.

Garr255, you do know that you have a quote from Ghandi in your signature.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”  -- Mahatma Gandhi


Here are a few more:
There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.

It is health that is real wealth and not pieces of gold and silver.

The moment there is suspicion about a person's motives, everything he does becomes tainted.

Try to live up to your hero.
Good to see it looks like you already started.

Confession of errors is like a broom which sweeps away the dirt and leaves the surface brighter and clearer. I feel stronger for confession.

Then you Sir, should be rich.

No way! No fuckin' way! Surely not! OMFG! Getting another cup of coffee before reading the next post. Coffee is my  popcorn.

Only in the bitcoin world do you have morons paying 63BTC for a freaking asic. i can get you 1500 g/h worth for about 500 bucks from china. freaking noobs

Confession after being caught is different than confession before being caught

Has anyone read the book “Defending the Undefendable” by Walter Block?
https://mises.org/store/Defending-the-Undefendable-P136.aspx

I think it is partly along those lines of libertarian thinking that Theymos has in regulating this forum and it helps to explain his comment about Gar’s auction shilling not deserving a scammer tag.  And while I have to cringe, because it is “a bit shady”, I agree with Theymos.

I think “Shilling” would be a very appropriate chapter to include in that book, so would Matthew’s bet (but I have no idea what the title of that chapter would be).

It seems, in the past, on this forum that if someone caused damage by violating a deal or contract, but made good on the contract, the scammer tag was not given or was removed.  While this auction didn’t have an explicit contract, there was an unspoken social expectation that there wouldn’t be a sock puppet increasing the price with phony bids.  With Gar paying the auction winners 5 btc, this should more than correct the financial wrong, and eliminate the call for a scammer tag.

His reputation however has taken some hits. And that is for him to rebuild and repair, which I am confident he will do.

I have had several trades and communication with Gar over the years (has it been that long already!?) all of which have caused me to increase my trust and respect for him.  I was surprised, shocked, and disappointed when this came to light.   With that said, I’m sure Gar will learn from this error and be more diligent in being honest in his future actions. I will continue to exchange with him.

In fact I might head over now and pick up a few Cognitive shares during this dip.

I can't agree with this position.  The choice should be up to the victim.  He shouldn't be placed between a rock and a hard place.  He clearly won the auction, and the person who overcharged has agreed to refund the overcharge.  He has stated this will correct the situation and that a full refund is not requested.  The morally correct thing to do is to honor this.

--edit - apparently goat was joking and being sarcastic.  Its just really hard to tell because hes on a whole new level. 

Not sure about the last point.  Forced confessions are not the same as voluntary confessions.

Not sure if serious.

If he wanted to win the auction then obviously he was willing to pay BTC63, no? He's still not forcing anybody to pay money they would not be willing to pay. This is equivalent to refusing a price in a bargain, something perfectly reasonable.

I don't see any problem in what Garr did, however I am disappointed he didn't warn people he was doing this. However, that's still not something worthy of a scammer tag.

Oh, goat's just showing Garret some luv

+1 agree totally

Basic insulting, says the goat that calls others idiots, crying bitches, beggars??
You are way past logic, remember when you right jumped on Maged's conclusion that the screenshot was faked? Called me clueless when there was tons of evidence already that Maged was the clueless one, which I said to you?

"I think most of the people here bitching are upset at Theymos for unrelated/offtopic things." "And then some "victims" begging for coins." Speaking of basic insulting, right....

How your defending Garr now turned to attacking the auction winner, trying to get his auction win turned back?
Yeah, you are to up your elbow in Garr's "business", and a miserable person on top of that. Just like your cry buddy Garr "I'm so sorry", sorry because he got caught, he tried to damage others and lied for 2 days to get the better of it, and has no other option now to come "clean". Bleh, too late

Am I just being an ass thinking that he needs to say the exact words "I will never falsely bid on another auction using another bitcointalk.org forum account"… Seems like a very regretful apology for this situation, but the only mention of never doing it again in the future seems to happen in one line on the last paragraph… and only mentions the 'something' that he did and will never do again.

I assume, later on, since things seem to be so technical with wording around here - he could just say… "I was saying I would never allow myself to do something so crooked as getting caught bidding on my own auctions and tarnishing my reputation… what an idiot I was."… and Theymos would just have to accept it?

Maybe just one of the "smart" greedy people that do not typically get caught?

I like to think of myself as having morals and ethics... yes, I have made mistakes, as we all have. Unfortunately, real life mistakes and internet-based mistakes are different. Especially in the anonymous world of bitcoins. One persons mistakes, IRL, typically stick with that one person. One forum account's mistakes can easily be wiped with a new account and some time to build up reputation. I completely understand that EVEN if the forum 'banned' for sockpuppet accounts, people could still create multiple accounts.  But to openly say 'its ok'... that just seems to send a bad message,
EDIT: and makes it much easier and worry-free for people to start creating sockpuppet accounts.

There is a need for trust here, IMO. This type of activity causes distrust, which in my mind is enough to try and stop the activity. I personally would hope the mods are trying to create a trustworthy environment... why add the 'trust' feature and all of this other nonsense when you just turn your eye to activity like this?  The trust feature, if combined with the permitted use of sockpuppets, seems like it doesn't really do anything?  ... seems like sockpuppets can just come in and start trusting their 'master' account.

People can't trust their governments/banks/corporations/etc... which seems to be why a good chunk of people end up in bitcoins... only to find out that the bitcoin world appears to be filled with even more untrustworthy people... but not only is it filled with them, the forum mods on the largest forum that exists for bitcoins ignore shady/untrustworthy activity. Personally, this doesn't provide me with much hope.


EDIT: IMO - Having any sockpuppet account is 'crooked'

As an outsider, and being bored at work today, I read all of this, and all of the stuff on Matthew's "bet". Now, perhaps I am missing something, but here are the points I see as relevant:

1. Did matthew actually take money form anyone? (from what I could see, he did not)

2. Reading the huge thread on his "bet", I actually found myself laughing quite a bit. How could ANYONE have actually thought that it was serious? It's like watching Reality TV and thinking it isn't all scripted.

3. Where did he "actually" scam anyone? Scamming, to me anyway, would be defined as stealing money in some way. I can't see anywhere this happened.

4. It seems like all the upset people were upset because they didn't get any free money, which they did nothing to get anyway. None "lost" any that they already had. Too me its like giving my friend saying he will put $10 on a horse for me. He ends up not going to the track, so he never bets on a horse. Did I get 10 bucks scammed?

5. Garr OUTRIGHT robbed people. In an ACTUAL auction (in my state anyway) shill bidding is FLAT-OUT illegal. Period. It's like going thru the drive thru, then the cashier adding $5.00 onto your bill and keeping it. Did she hold a gun to your head to make you buy your Doritos Tacos? No. Did she scam you? HELL YES!

6. It is VERY obvious that the apology was a last resort, no way out. "Oh look, I sent a picture of my penis to someone and I am a politician. I can just deny it was me." "Oh look, they tied the picture to my account, shit, no way out of this now." "I am deeply troubled by the penis picture. I am seeking help, and am extremely dissapointed in my own actions." Muhahahah, next time I will buy a disposable cellphone!!

7. Refusing to ban/scammer tag/etc Garr can ONLY be because of some sort of friendship/financial/dating/WOW buddies or some other relationship. I mean what grey area is there here? He scammed, plain and simple, and got caught doing it. And he didn't do it just once either. That Werner account was NOT new.

I am writing this all down though, gonna sell it as the next Netflix Original Series! "The BTC Conspiracy--A 10 part limited series, only on Netflix"

No, no we got it pages ago

This thread is definitely providing lots of input for my trust filter.

Most fair lol, first off i am a victim. Last time i check bidding up your own auction is something that should not be done, therefore I am a victim.

If you would like to refund me then fine, I would like my refund at the current market rate one is going at. I saw one for 20k on ebay and it didnt sell yet so fine send me 25k and its all yours.

Makes sense.  Thanks.  Was not aware that Cognitive was littered with shady before all of this.