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sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 12:07:45 PM
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Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.

Yah, that's accurate. Community does the community in general lack ethics or is it just the mods?

What's up with this community's need to be scammed?  From Pirate to Spongebob to Zhou Tong to the numerous "securities" schemes . . . is it just that you all need something to spend your bitcoin on?  If I ever needed fast cash, I would just come to this board and post an "investment" opportunity.  Not only would I make a bunch of money off of idiots, if I came out and apologized, over half of the community would think I'm a great guy.  

Maybe something about bitcoin is making everyone go a little bit 'dark side'
sr. member
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June 21, 2013, 12:05:35 PM
What's up with this community's need to be scammed?  From Pirate to Spongebob to Zhou Tong to the numerous "securities" schemes . . . is it just that you all need something to spend your bitcoin on?  If I ever needed fast cash, I would just come to this board and post an "investment" opportunity.  Not only would I make a bunch of money off of idiots, if I came out and apologized, over half of the community would think I'm a great guy.  
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 12:03:30 PM


lmfao

After you get fully refunded will you try to buy your unit back?

Don't be so hard on him Goat, he honestly took part in a dishonest auction and now seems that the victim deserves to be beaten up.

You know that being honest and being tricked by dishonest people feels bad, and more so if it seems that the long term members in here indulge on the guy that did wrong, and ignore the victim (at best) or directly mock him up.

I'm a new member in here, I've been lurking since late 2012 and registered since Jan 2013, so I really don't know any of you, but from the outside the impression I have is Garr255 is somewhat close to many long time members, including you... For example, honest question: does he knows Theymos in meatspace? Are all of you friends and involved in common business? Because it kinda seems so by the out of ordinary indulgence he got from the mods except John K., who as usual gave a very straight forward, no BS, impartial vision of the facts...

Guys, do you realize that is exactly this strange indulgence what triggered a 14-pages thread full of arguments, right?
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 11:59:20 AM


lmfao

After you get fully refunded will you try to buy your unit back?

I was not aware i was being fully refunded. i was aware I was getting 5btc as a sorry for bidding on my own auction

I sure hope you get a full refund, even if 5 extra is sent your way. After all you did get "scammed" Need to void that auction.  I will pay for it myself if I get the unit.  Wink   BRB going to send a PM.

Well I can tell quite clearly that you want my unit. I do not want a full refund as I do actully want the unit. If he wants to give me a full refund plus 5 I will be a bit pissed about it. If you are interested in the unit feel free to contact me as I would sell it obviously higher then i bought it for.

This.  This this this.  The auction for the one that started this thread was up to a pretty high amount.  Garr255 said he would give you:


Although some may view this as a petty offence (as I did previously), I do not any longer. As an attempt to at least partially make up for my wrongdoing, I am offering each of the participants in the auction, starsoccer9 and Vezunchik, BTC5 of my own personal funds, which more than makes up for the financial loss due false bids in the auction. I realize that what I have done is unacceptable, and I do deeply regret it.


BTC5 of his own personal funds.  Any attempt to give you a "full refund" now would be another attempt to screw you over.
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June 21, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
I sure hope you get a full refund, even if 5 extra is sent your way. After all you did get "scammed" Need to void that auction.  I will pay for it myself if I get the unit.  Wink   BRB going to send a PM.
Grin Love having no dog in this fight Cheesy  Seems only rats, pigs & a few runts left in the rink Cheesy
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June 21, 2013, 11:55:52 AM
[...]
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.

Yes, Garr could have just kept his mouth shut but thought being open was the right thing to do.

Mmmmmn nope.....

Cry sounds like i wont be getting 64ghashs
Seems like you are all fucked twice, cause the auction is rigged by the seller using a sock puppet to raise the bids,  
read the topic till the end:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2517652

Please read the entire thread before making assumptions. I did not do any such thing, but I cannot argue against my apology to Josh because he would then be able to cancel my preorder.

I am simply acting in the way those familiar with the term fiduciary duty would expect me to.

Sorry for the drama, that's not what was intended (by me).

As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.

Cry sounds like i wont be getting 64ghashs
Seems like you are all fucked twice, cause the auction is rigged by the seller using a sock puppet to raise the bids,  
read the topic till the end:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2517652

Please read the entire thread before making assumptions. I did not do any such thing, but I cannot argue against my apology to Josh because he would then be able to cancel my preorder.

I am simply acting in the way those familiar with the term fiduciary duty would expect me to.

Sorry for the drama, that's not what was intended (by me).

As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.

I can't believe what's happening here...

I did not bid up those auctions. I am not arguing the accusation that the werner account is under my control because I want to keep my BFL orders! Otherwise, believe me: I would be!

I have always been known to be one of the most transparent and trustworthy people around here. I'm sure a few btc might seem significant to some of you, but please be assured that I'm not going to SCAM people out of a few coins, because I value my reputation much more than that!

I'm genuinely disgusted with the outcome of this. Again: I'm going to hold to that apology because it is my fiduciary duty to do so, no matter what it does to my reputation.

Apologies for the mass confusion.


Hey all, regarding the Werner account:

I am not allowed to argue against what I have stated in my apology to BFL and Josh, else they will cancel my orders, which would be devastating.

I had to swallow my pride and set my ego aside so I could act in the best interest of others, as I stated previously. What I can say: It is appalling that someone would accuse me of doing something as low as bidding up my own auctions. You make me sick.

As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.

--Garr


Cry sounds like i wont be getting 64ghashs
Seems like you are all fucked twice, cause the auction is rigged by the seller using a sock puppet to raise the bids,  
read the topic till the end:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2517652

Please read the entire thread before making assumptions. I did not do any such thing, but I cannot argue against my apology to Josh because he would then be able to cancel my preorder.

I am simply acting in the way those familiar with the term fiduciary duty would expect me to.

Sorry for the drama, that's not what was intended (by me).

As I said, I'm not going to argue against the all-powerful BFL only because I value those orders more than a few peoples' opinions of me.

Inaba's given you the green light to argue your case without reprocussion.  Your move.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2532361




Hi all,

First, I apologize for taking too long to attempt to resolve this situation. I've been extremely frustrated with myself all day. I have been regretting what I have done since the moment I did it.

I hereby confess to bidding up my own auctions using the "Werner" forum handle. This is despicable, I know. I did this out of pure greed. Scamming anyone was not the priority, getting a few extra measly bitcoins for Cognitive's auction was my goal. I have always acted in the best interest of Cognitive, because I know, believe, and practice my fiduciary duty which comes as a result of handling others' assets. I want everyone to know that I will continue doing my best to run the company, the same as I always have. My track record on the forum has been flawless before this incident, and that's what hurts me most. I'm disgusted with myself when people are questioning whether they can trust me now.

Although some may view this as a petty offence (as I did previously), I do not any longer. As an attempt to at least partially make up for my wrongdoing, I am offering each of the participants in the auction, starsoccer9 and Vezunchik, BTC5 of my own personal funds, which more than makes up for the financial loss due false bids in the auction. I realize that what I have done is unacceptable, and I do deeply regret it.

Being an optimist, I can't help but try to take something positive away from a given situation. I believe that because of this incident I will make an effort to be that much better of a person. Everyone who I have interacted with aside from these auction participants, and Josh Zerlan (Inaba), would agree with me when I tell you: I strive to be a person of high moral conduct.

I apologize to everyone for letting greed get in my way. I know trust takes ages to build, and a few posts to destroy. I hope that everyone will acknowledge my past, and see that I have never acted in an externally malicious way, and have always been transparent, friendly, and courteous in all of my dealings with fellow forum members. Know that I am a man of my word: when I say I will do something, I do it. I regret bidding up the auction greatly. Please know that I have never scammed anyone nor have I stolen anything. I have done tons (probably well over 100) transactions of physical items with users of this forum and not one has gone sour. In most of them the other party was the one who had to trust me.

Again, I sincerely regret what I have done and I apologize for doing it. The small sum of bitcoins I gained from this (until I pay the auction bidders back) was certainly not worth the tarnished reputation. Never again will I allow myself to do something so crooked.

Sincerely,
Garrett
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 11:54:36 AM


lmfao

After you get fully refunded will you try to buy your unit back?

I was not aware i was being fully refunded. i was aware I was getting 5btc as a sorry for bidding on my own auction

I sure hope you get a full refund, even if 5 extra is sent your way. After all you did get "scammed" Need to void that auction.  I will pay for it myself if I get the unit.  Wink   BRB going to send a PM.

Well I can tell quite clearly that you want my unit. I do not want a full refund as I do actully want the unit. If he wants to give me a full refund plus 5 I will be a bit pissed about it. If you are interested in the unit feel free to contact me as I would sell it obviously higher then i bought it for.
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 11:45:23 AM


lmfao

After you get fully refunded will you try to buy your unit back?

I was not aware i was being fully refunded. i was aware I was getting 5btc as a sorry for bidding on my own auction
legendary
Activity: 1630
Merit: 1000
June 21, 2013, 11:35:50 AM
[...]
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.

Yes, Garr could have just kept his mouth shut but thought being open was the right thing to do.

Garr *has* kept his mouth shut for 2 days, and when it became blatantly obvious that weaseling out is not an option, he fleshed out the "i'm so sorry love me for being honest & repentant 4realz!" boilerplate, and posted it here, signing it with a (mocking us?) cursive font -- the kind you see on all the cheap "so sorry for your loss, can't afford a Hallmark" cards.

lmfao
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June 21, 2013, 11:28:06 AM
[...]
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.

Yes, Garr could have just kept his mouth shut but thought being open was the right thing to do.

Garr *has* kept his mouth shut for 2 days, and when it became blatantly obvious that weaseling out is not an option, he fleshed out the "i'm so sorry love me for being honest & repentant 4realz!" boilerplate, and posted it here, signing it with a (mocking us?) cursive font -- the kind you see on all the cheap "so sorry for your loss, can't afford a Hallmark" cards.
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 11:25:00 AM
[...]
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.

Yes, Garr could have just kept his mouth shut but thought being open was the right thing to do.

I think it was less about thinking being open was the right thing to do as it was being caught.  A lot.

If it was about being open he could have stuck with his original confession instead of hedging.
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Fica Tranquilo
June 21, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
I'm sure I missed something. TL;DR please?
TL;DR there are only 3 different humans participating in this topic. Although some think it might be 2.

There is only one, so who am I?
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 11:22:36 AM

Wow, OK. Possible sockpuppet(s) of Garr, shill bidding, shill bidding is OK because "price negotiations," possible screenshot faking by Inaba, "enough evidence to open an investigation on Inaba," Garr has some of the forum's money, aaand more possible sockpuppet(s).

I'm sure I missed something. TL;DR please?
Garr255 shill bidding, legit screenshot by Inaba, Garr255 confesses to being Werner, Garr255 says he might have been lying about confession #1, more evidence found connecting Garr255 to Werner,  Garr255 confesses to being Werner (again), Garr255 says he will pay 5BTC to victims of confirmed shill auction.  Starsoccer9 says hasn't been paid yet.  Svbeon says "I will be sending you the coins soon".

That's about where we're at right now.
Thank you Smiley
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.


Doesn't need to.  Garr255 already confessed to the Werner account and bumping up his own auctions with it.
full member
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June 21, 2013, 11:21:37 AM
[...]
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

Gar's identity is not in question -- he both admitted & apologized.  

TL;DR: theymos' reply:  shilling and socks perfectly valid here.
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Fica Tranquilo
June 21, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
Wrong topic..

Wrong topic, or another sockpuppet account?

I'm genuinely curious as to why svbeon would be posting immediately following starsoccer9 that "I will be sending you the coins soon"

(Sorry for the postimg.org link - imgur is blocked here)

Probably just Garr255 forgetting which account he's on again.

Seems that Garr255 is actually not to blame, he might just have multiple personality disorder.

We just need to figure out which accounts belong to his imaginary friends.

Maybe a good time for Bitcointalk to start a contest, 1 BTC for each imaginary friend of Garr255.

2 imaginary friends found, ..... more to go!!!
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 11:20:46 AM

Wow, OK. Possible sockpuppet(s) of Garr, shill bidding, shill bidding is OK because "price negotiations," possible screenshot faking by Inaba, "enough evidence to open an investigation on Inaba," Garr has some of the forum's money, aaand more possible sockpuppet(s).

I'm sure I missed something. TL;DR please?
Garr255 shill bidding, legit screenshot by Inaba, Garr255 confesses to being Werner, Garr255 says he might have been lying about confession #1, more evidence found connecting Garr255 to Werner,  Garr255 confesses to being Werner (again), Garr255 says he will pay 5BTC to victims of confirmed shill auction.  Starsoccer9 says hasn't been paid yet.  Svbeon says "I will be sending you the coins soon".

That's about where we're at right now.
Thank you Smiley
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.

That was Inaba's suggestion, and Werner ended up coming out with confession #2 after he wasn't worried about losing his pre-order.
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0xFB0D8D1534241423
June 21, 2013, 11:18:05 AM

Wow, OK. Possible sockpuppet(s) of Garr, shill bidding, shill bidding is OK because "price negotiations," possible screenshot faking by Inaba, "enough evidence to open an investigation on Inaba," Garr has some of the forum's money, aaand more possible sockpuppet(s).

I'm sure I missed something. TL;DR please?
Garr255 shill bidding, legit screenshot by Inaba, Garr255 confesses to being Werner, Garr255 says he might have been lying about confession #1, more evidence found connecting Garr255 to Werner,  Garr255 confesses to being Werner (again), Garr255 says he will pay 5BTC to victims of confirmed shill auction.  Starsoccer9 says hasn't been paid yet.  Svbeon says "I will be sending you the coins soon".

That's about where we're at right now.
Thank you Smiley
Why can't theymos just check Werner's IP and see if it equals Garr's? Yeah yeah Tor etc, but if Garr was this careless, he's probably more careless.
hero member
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June 21, 2013, 11:16:18 AM
I'm sure I missed something. TL;DR please?
TL;DR there are only 3 different humans participating in this topic. Although some think it might be 2.

Does that make me not a human?  Sad
legendary
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June 21, 2013, 11:05:37 AM
Look I don't even know Garr all I know is that he buys silver from me and seems like a good kid. Here are some things I want everyone to think of when posting here asking for all of the things like scam tags, untrustworthy etc.

1. Do not ask for forgiveness for yourself and justice for others. This kid (17 years old) has publicly apologized and offered up 10BTC to the winners of those auctions as a way of reimbursing them when if you look at the bidding thread there was active bidders all the way through not just Werner.

2. Would you want every mistake you've made since the time you were 17 years old labeled to your account and to follow you forever? From his history and cognitive it looks like he also has done some pretty solid things for people.

3. How many of you have ever sold an item on eBay? Now of those people how many of you have ever had a friend bid on your item to help give it a boost? I can assure you most have. It sucks and that's why I hate online auctions most of the time because I feel like this happens more often than not.

He got caught. We are a small community. It was wrong we all can see that. He has publicly apologized and has offered to reimburse this who involved. I think that speaks volumes for a kid his age.

well I guess point number 3 makes it clear I wont be bidding on any of your auctions

Why because I speak the truth? You and I know damn well that when we bid on an eBay item and in the last 10mins of the auction we get bid up dollar by dollar the auctioneer is bidding us up to our max. I've emailed eBay before and cancelled auctions that this has happened. It pisses me off. I hate that shit. It happens all the damn time too.

The fact is he obviously learned this practice was acceptable via whatever means and now he has apologized for it offered damages an people are still crucifying him. I'm sure 99% of the people crucifying him have done something along the way the regret as well and wouldn't want a lifetime tag of it.

Never made a friend to bid for me to pump up the price in my auction, that thought never even crossed my mind, some of us believe this is a community and also believe in ethics, if in your book greed justifies scummy and unethical behavior as the victim in this scam said earlier now I know whose auctions I don't have to participate in.
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June 21, 2013, 11:03:59 AM
Wrong topic..

Wrong topic, or another sockpuppet account?
I'm genuinely curious as to why svbeon would be posting immediately following starsoccer9 that "I will be sending you the coins soon"
(Sorry for the postimg.org link - imgur is blocked here)

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