Topic: Gavin Threatens to Quit Bitcoin Development and Join Hearn's Fork - page 4. (Read 9870 times)

Good luck if he does move just gives more room for someone else to jump in his position and make things better if making threats to move due to wanting another chain will just become another alt coin. Even if bitcoin does fall apart due to devs leaving then so be it  give another coin the chance to take the leadership.

the trolls.

You SDC trolls just spam all over the place. Please stop spamming. No offence.

despite all this hullaballoo .. no bitcoin price slide. apparently the market does not give a crap about Gavin

the development must be centralized, we are still long away from program that can build themselves, and thus making software development decentralized...on a serious note this wasn't never the probem

satoshi should've simply left the client as it was at the beginning without the limit of 1 MB

So, what OP is saying that Bitcoin really is indeed centralized after all? =P

Luke is involved in Blockstream?  I don't see him at your /team/ link.  Also conspicuously absent is Garzik, who opposes Bitcoin-XT as well.

Either way, the 'Only Blockstream conflicts of interest prevent 20mb block support' meme is idiotic.  Case in point: Mircea.  So fuck off with the defamatory accusations of "hidden agendas."

While the other core devs' are not, Gavin's biases are uniquely disqualifying:

-Gavin could care less about TOR users and decentralization
-Gavin wants to change the 10 min block target
-Gavin doesn't believe proof of work has a place in BTC's long-term future
-Gavin pointedly bypassed the normal proposal discussion channels in favor of smoky/spooky VC backrooms and Reddit demagoguery

He's either gone crazy or been compromised.  I don't need to speculate about the why or how to see that.

yes im not saying invest im saying check it out man ? Gett in before marketplace comes out

Says a man without experience!

Bitcoin will die and shadowcash will rise you all fools

He is one of the reputable member and an asset for bitcoin, although his proposal here is abit too much for the consensus. His threats of leaving doesnt sound like a threat, more like asking for help from hearn. If he leave the team, there will be a huge debate on who will fill his spot later

Gavin should leave and should not be allowed to tinker with the code of Bitcoin ever again. He's a shitcoin dev.

Because the 1MB limit it was added later for prevent the spam, it was a thing not from the beginning... I would prefer a random block size instead of 1-5-20-100 MB .



Exactly, I think the same. We should also think that not all the people who are using bitcoin are registered here in the forum or have some knowledge about what it is happening now.



I didn't know this thing before your post, I would like also to learn more about this fact (and I will make my own research). Gavin's ultimate way proposal is a sort of "with me or against me" (or this is what I thought the first time when I have read his message).




So is it only the proposing way not the 'change itself' and yes it will be a real bitcoin civil war, only who will be in the correct chain will win.

I feel it is crucial that all core developers go for a compromise on the solution and they speak as one single voice. Maybe we can upgrade to a 10 MB or a 4 MB block?

I personally don't know what to support because I currently don't see a winning consensus on either solution and opinions are scattered in the web.

A manifesto with a workable compromise solution by the key core developers would definitely help. From that moment on, companies, merchants, users and miners would surely follow.

Yeah satoshi just called me, he said you should be banned from posting on this forum. No it was just a snide comment about the amount of posts you're making, nothing more, nothing less.


All I'm saying is changes do need to made, just not in the way these guys are proposing with XT. Their divide and conquer tactics aren't going to help either though it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Prepare for the Bitcoin civil war

Unfortunately some opinions don't matter. Neither do I have the influence or power here to change much and by the time I start committing to the Core I'm not even sure that it will exist. That statement was just showing that we can't blame either side or everything. Both parties have hidden agendas. Unfortunately most people are very greedy and complicated, including these developers and thus the situation has arisen.
Nonsense like this is what I'm trying to prevent, but it seems futile..

What I would prefer:
It is a fact that the blocks are eventually going to get filled with transactions and that some aren't going to get included. Keeping it like that would be horrible as rich people would be able to prioritize transactions (completely against Bitcoin). Something has to be done in order to prevent this rather than to fix it once it happens. They also have to properly explain the problems with XT. Which patches and exactly why have they been rejected.

The developers need to show potential and better (elaborate why) solutions to the 1MB cap and implement it on time into the Core. This would be a substitute to the what Gavin wants and should theoretically work better than just increasing the cap. Gavin needs to stop with this XT nonsense, because no good will come of it. This only has a potential negative effect on the whole ecosystem, as I fail to see any potential positive ones.
Feel free to correct me.

so what is your plan? because apparently you think that the other 4 dev are wrong too or you are not with them, at least this is what i get from this post

21.000.000 bits! Wait, no, that's just 2.5 MB.
Make that 21.000.000 Bytes!

Please elaborate why? This is exactly what I've been talking about. People without proper technical background will chose the wrong chain/software and things are going to start falling apart.
You do realize that XT has patches that have been rejected for Core due to them weakening the security? I don't know the exact details but I would like someone to present it all nicely.

Even though I have respect for Gavin what he is doing is wrong.