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Topic: Gavin Threatens to Quit Bitcoin Development and Join Hearn's Fork - page 7. (Read 9913 times)

legendary
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#Free market
Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.

That's not how transaction bottlenecks work. They work in precisely the opposite way - transactions take ages to get confirmed when there isn't enough room in the block for them.

Maybe I was a bit premature to say the thread turned the corner.  Sad


Except that there's around 1 transaction a second(Actually slightly less) in Bitcoin, which is basically nothing, so what Gavin is doing, is rushing things exponentially. Makes Zero sense and will deter people from running nodes if the blocksize is moved upto 20 MB so early. But hey, that's Bitcoin's centralization coming into full view for ya.

Under 'gavincoin', 20MB is not the mandatory size of all new blocks. It's the maximum blocksize. If, as you say, Bitcoin is chugging along comfortably right now at 1 transaction a second, it's not suddenly going to jump to 20MB blocks overnight. OTOH if it DOES do that, it rather suggests that the 1 tr/sec was a bottleneck choking the system, doesn't it? That 20MB isn't going to be filled up unless the transactors need it to be, in which case it's a damn good job it was there.


No, the actual bitcoin can manage ~7 tx/sec... stop to say thing really no sense. Again, bitcoin should not compete with visa if we are talking about how much tx can manage *sec...because visa or other system will win surely. Bitcoin should compete as trust,rapidity and not chargeability.
staff
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Just writing some code
Under 'gavincoin', 20MB is not the mandatory size of all new blocks. It's the maximum blocksize. If, as you say, Bitcoin is chugging along comfortably right now at 1 transaction a second, it's not suddenly going to jump to 20MB blocks overnight. OTOH if it DOES do that, it rather suggests that the 1 tr/sec was a bottleneck choking the system, doesn't it? That 20MB isn't going to be filled up unless the transactors need it to be, in which case it's a damn good job it was there.

However, if it was the bottleneck, then we would see tons of 1 Mb blocks right now, and there aren't. The average blocksize right now is around 0.5 Mb.
hero member
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Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.

That's not how transaction bottlenecks work. They work in precisely the opposite way - transactions take ages to get confirmed when there isn't enough room in the block for them.

Maybe I was a bit premature to say the thread turned the corner.  Sad


Except that there's around 1 transaction a second(Actually slightly less) in Bitcoin, which is basically nothing, so what Gavin is doing, is rushing things exponentially. Makes Zero sense and will deter people from running nodes if the blocksize is moved upto 20 MB so early. But hey, that's Bitcoin's centralization coming into full view for ya.

Under 'gavincoin', 20MB is not the mandatory size of all new blocks. It's the maximum blocksize. If, as you say, Bitcoin is chugging along comfortably right now at 1 transaction a second, it's not suddenly going to jump to 20MB blocks overnight. OTOH if it DOES do that, it rather suggests that the 1 tr/sec was a bottleneck choking the system, doesn't it? That 20MB isn't going to be filled up unless the transactors need it to be, in which case it's a damn good job it was there.
legendary
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#Free market
I think Gavin has lost all credibility within the bitcoin community now ..

Yes, but he is still a bitcoin core dev... the unique thing we can do (or you can do) is "not follow his fork" if we don't agree with his choice but I am sure that at the end a lot of people will lose some real money during the existence of the two chains.
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I think Gavin has lost all credibility within the bitcoin community now ..
legendary
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#Free market
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Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.


I do not think, the unique secure thing is that the miner fee will drop dramatically. Because of the blocksize raise I am sure each tx I will send it will be surely included in the block (Also with a low fee).
newbie
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Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.

That's not how transaction bottlenecks work. They work in precisely the opposite way - transactions take ages to get confirmed when there isn't enough room in the block for them.

Maybe I was a bit premature to say the thread turned the corner.  Sad


Except that there's around 1 transaction a second(Actually slightly less) in Bitcoin, which is basically nothing, so what Gavin is doing, is rushing things exponentially. Makes Zero sense and will deter people from running nodes if the blocksize is moved upto 20 MB so early. But hey, that's Bitcoin's centralization coming into full view for ya.
hero member
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I don't see any reason to panic .. what is the worst that can happen with the fork?  It's more of a technical issue for the nerds .. not affecting consumers
hero member
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Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.

That's not how transaction bottlenecks work. They work in precisely the opposite way - transactions take ages to get confirmed when there isn't enough room in the block for them.

Maybe I was a bit premature to say the thread turned the corner.  Sad
hero member
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It is a bad thing that one person currently has so much influence on the bitcoin perception

Oh, don't worry. Mircea Popescu's "influence on the bitcoin perception" seems to be waning quite rapidly. Yeah, the first page of this thread was mostly sky-is-falling stuff, but we've turned the corner and the fudsters are being called out. Hell, one guy even posted Gavin's exact words so we wouldn't have to go to the trouble of so many mouse clicks.
legendary
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Just for fun:




Yeah, try telling that to people when they try to use BTC and there are so many transactions per second that shit takes ages to get confirmed etc.
legendary
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#Free market
legendary
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One question is whether Gavin passes off the alert key. If he leaves Bitcoin Core dev and works on Bitcoin XT, will he give the alert key to someone else or will he keep it and once the fork is finished, alert everyone to switch to the fork. That could be the threat, but he doesn't actually threaten anyone in the message to the mailing list.

Mighty guy. Can make Bitcoin how he wants it.
staff
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Just writing some code
One question is whether Gavin passes off the alert key. If he leaves Bitcoin Core dev and works on Bitcoin XT, will he give the alert key to someone else or will he keep it and once the fork is finished, alert everyone to switch to the fork. That could be the threat, but he doesn't actually threaten anyone in the message to the mailing list.
member
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Gavin should GTFO altready and not come back. His altcoin will be a failure. Bitcoin is bigger than Gavin.
staff
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Just writing some code
Have you guys noticed that he is asking for opinions? He isn't threatening anything and he wants to implement this, so he is lobbying for people to switch to Bitcoin XT, but there is no threat. I also noticed that Bitcoin XT hasn't been updated in 5 months.
legendary
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Other projects of decentralized natures that require of the approval of people running nodes such as Freenet, had hard forks, and guess what, nothing happened. The preferred version continued, the other got deprecated and only a couple dudes still run it for some reason.
hero member
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AKA The Rubber Monkey
It is a bad thing that one person currently has so much influence on the bitcoin perception
 him leaving should not cause more than a small dip on the news, otherwise it has become to centralized around him.

So much for decentralization. Maybe we should change the name to GavinCoin.

I'm joking of course. There's no reason to panic. Gavin is not Bitcoin, and Bitcoin is not Gavin. Let him go.
legendary
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#Free market
congrats on linking to a totally unbiased resource OP /sarcasm

Other devs don't seem to get it. It's not their decision. It's the community's decision.

An actual democracy. How about that. Ironic how the muh decentralisation crowd get so angry about this. This is EXACTLY how a decision like this should happen. Maybe enough people will upgrade. Maybe they won't. But decision making is outsourced to the users, and isn't confined to the small clique who have control over the repository and the bitcoin.org domain.

It's Bitcoin working exactly as it should.

Labelling Gavin giving people a choice as a "power grab" only demonstrates that you are an incumbent threatened by a reduction of your own power.


I like to call it anarchy, not democracy but yes it is only a community decision but in this community there the the big miner farm, the speculator, the payment gateway etc... So at the end it is not really our decision.
legendary
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If we can't come to an agreement soon then I will do this and this.

What a terrible and misleading title, he's not quitting or making a threat. Someone needs take a stance on resolving this issue and Gavin has been brainstorming openly with the public and different solutions which I commend. Openly proposing solutions and/or methods to resolve is what we need. If trolls are going to spread FUD on every Gavin post, then so be it; that is what trolls do.  
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