Did you sell your account yet Honey? Or are you?
Dunno yet. Can't really right now lol. Selling my primes doesn't work, can't even split them. And obviously can't post atm!! Ahhat
Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 117. (Read 262935 times)
September 26, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
Dunno yet. Can't really right now lol. Selling my primes doesn't work, can't even split them. And obviously can't post atm!! Ahhat
September 26, 2014, 06:23:20 PM
What response do you expect of him? You want him to say he's sorry that you were banned or what? You were banned by an admin so why should Josh care?
Why don't you simply quote your response that was called attack. Let us decide if it was polite or not.
Why don't you simply quote your response that was called attack. Let us decide if it was polite or not.
You obviously misunderstood my post. I could care less I was banned. Re read, understand, then reply.
September 26, 2014, 06:21:43 PM
Did you sell your account yet Honey? Or are you?
September 26, 2014, 06:13:18 PM
What response do you expect of him? You want him to say he's sorry that you were banned or what? You were banned by an admin so why should Josh care?
Why don't you simply quote your response that was called attack. Let us decide if it was polite or not.
Why don't you simply quote your response that was called attack. Let us decide if it was polite or not.
September 26, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
shadow banned.. THey didn't even tell me.
That's the "shadow" part
Which is weird, because the official version that I've seen is that shadow ban is used for spammers so that they would continue spamming (as opposed to registering a new account I guess) but nobody would see them. Were you spamming? Selling Viagra on hashtalk perhaps?
Nah, I was simply stating what everyone was thinking... More or less summarized why everyone was freaking out about Volder selling his lot... It's because in the past he has heavily implied and hinted at having insider information, so when he sold everyone believed it was for good reason.
ONe of the mods was instigating an argument with me by making fun of my points, so I very politely told him it was really none of his business as my comments were directed at Josh and Volder. They said I "attacked him" and shadow banned me.
Josh doesn't care about this issue obviously because he's allowed it to fester and continue even after being formally notified. He also declines to respond to any follow up on the matter.
September 26, 2014, 05:57:07 PM
shadow banned.. THey didn't even tell me.
That's the "shadow" part
Which is weird, because the official version that I've seen is that shadow ban is used for spammers so that they would continue spamming (as opposed to registering a new account I guess) but nobody would see them. Were you spamming? Selling Viagra on hashtalk perhaps?
September 26, 2014, 05:50:30 PM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Both Prime and Solo are gone. Took it like 2 hours.
been over 24hrs for mine
i just listed them yesterday all with different names and still nothing September 26, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Both Prime and Solo are gone. Took it like 2 hours.
you re kind of lucky.
I have prime and waffle to sell for at least a week now and nothing .
Try cancelling the sale then re-submitting them for sale. I did that to my last few stragglers and they sold within 24 hours.
About the Volder situation--if one can do basic math then you can see that selling is the only logical move. No insider info required (not that there might not be some of that as well).
We are at the point that most people who bought at $16 are well over 60% ROI'ed, but to make another 60% will take more than twice as long. By simply selling, one can get ROI+50-100% and do so within a few days.
To not do so is a very large gamble on future BTC prices, GAW, and against new and less expensive miners coming out in the next four months+. Cash in hand can be redeployed in new investments or be waiting to catch the bottom of the BTC slide.
At the very least, I would urge people to put up their miners for sale on the marketplace and reduce their holdings by 50%.
edit: by the numbers, I would only consider a miner a good investment if they could reasonably ROI within 90 days, after all, the point is not to not lose money, but to actually make money above your initial costs.
That would put the price of a prime around $12-$14.
edit2: I wonder how long until my hashtalk account gets banned again? Anyone want to take bets? ;p
Yea, they are way over zealous with the shadow ban... I barely did anything.. Didn't even get a warning and was shadow banned.. THey didn't even tell me.
September 26, 2014, 04:25:20 PM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Both Prime and Solo are gone. Took it like 2 hours.
you re kind of lucky.
I have prime and waffle to sell for at least a week now and nothing .
Try cancelling the sale then re-submitting them for sale. I did that to my last few stragglers and they sold within 24 hours.
About the Volder situation--if one can do basic math then you can see that selling is the only logical move. No insider info required (not that there might not be some of that as well).
We are at the point that most people who bought at $16 are well over 60% ROI'ed, but to make another 60% will take more than twice as long. By simply selling, one can get ROI+50-100% and do so within a few days.
To not do so is a very large gamble on future BTC prices, GAW, and against new and less expensive miners coming out in the next four months+. Cash in hand can be redeployed in new investments or be waiting to catch the bottom of the BTC slide.
At the very least, I would urge people to put up their miners for sale on the marketplace and reduce their holdings by 50%.
edit: by the numbers, I would only consider a miner a good investment if they could reasonably ROI within 90 days, after all, the point is not to not lose money, but to actually make money above your initial costs.
That would put the price of a prime around $12-$14.
edit2: I wonder how long until my hashtalk account gets banned again? Anyone want to take bets? ;p
September 26, 2014, 01:56:18 PM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Both Prime and Solo are gone. Took it like 2 hours.
you re kind of lucky.
I have prime and waffle to sell for at least a week now and nothing .
September 26, 2014, 01:46:52 PM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Both Prime and Solo are gone. Took it like 2 hours.
September 26, 2014, 12:20:45 PM
Finally they are throwing a bone to Genesis owners by raising payout. (Yes I own some, don't ask me why...)
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
Do you mean re-adding NiceHash, or is there something else going on?
I wonder what they did (if anything) to protect against NH pump.
They didn't re-add NiceHash but the top paying "pool" is now at .0000255 which was about what nice was before they removed it.
I think they protect against pump by just making up the numbers now instead of pretending to follow real pools.
September 26, 2014, 12:19:27 PM
Wow. It looks like this thing is unraveling much faster than I expected.
You are probably going to have to wait for a long time to see the end.
Well that's what I was expecting but it sounds like the big guys selling is putting some fear into the masses. If this is a ponzi (which I totally believe it is for whatever that is worth) then fear on the part of investors is just the kind of thing that would make it fall apart.
September 26, 2014, 12:17:58 PM
Finally they are throwing a bone to Genesis owners by raising payout. (Yes I own some, don't ask me why...)
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
Do you mean re-adding NiceHash, or is there something else going on?
I wonder what they did (if anything) to protect against NH pump.
No, Josh specifically stated it's still possible and they will monitor the situation daily, but he had to do something for SHA because of the horrible returns.
September 26, 2014, 12:15:08 PM
Finally they are throwing a bone to Genesis owners by raising payout. (Yes I own some, don't ask me why...)
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
Do you mean re-adding NiceHash, or is there something else going on?
I wonder what they did (if anything) to protect against NH pump.
September 26, 2014, 11:44:32 AM
Finally they are throwing a bone to Genesis owners by raising payout. (Yes I own some, don't ask me why...)
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
I wonder if that has anything to do with big Genesis owner ru55ian putting his account on the market and complaining that he wasn't making enough.
September 26, 2014, 11:18:43 AM
Suprised there is not more talk on the big sell off. It's suspect Volder is doing it as he normally knows insider info, regardless of his claims he doesn't.
This has me and a lot of others very worried. Anyone know anything?
This has me and a lot of others very worried. Anyone know anything?
If it was just volder I would say no big deal...But when other big people follow suit...ya I'd be worried...they even all almost say the same reasons for wanting to get out...But they might be stuck...cause who has that amount of cash lying around
Yea, they know something but obviously can't say that. Suppose they think we are dumb enough to believe they have no inside info. It's been know for a long time Volder did, but not sure about Russian.
I think they both stand to make a decent amount of money if they can sell those accounts and for that there doesn't have to be any sinister motivation or insider knowledge (aside maybe from the initial buy-in at $16). It's just the fact that volder the cheerleader is bailing makes a lot of customers uneasy. Even if he doesn't have inside info this makes it look like he doesn't believe there is a lot of upside in the future. The only "reason" for the sell off as far as I could see was that he needs cash for his reseller business but that was posted by someone else, not volder himself.
And yes, there are many 100+ and some 1000+ accounts for sale. I doubt they'll be getting anywhere near $40 per.
Agreed and one of the major issues I have is the fact I personally sent Josh a fairly lengthy and detailed letter explaining the perception of Volder's inside info over a month ago... And obviously nothing was done, because Volder continued to imply and make references to what he knew and how chummy him and Josh are. They refer to each other by NAME, not by screen name.
The reasoning for my email was to prevent something EXACTLY like this from happening. So, frankly Josh knew about this issue long ago and didn't nothing - So, this fiasco is their fault completely. I don't care if it's true or not, it's what people think that really matters. Very seldom is the truth important anyway. Perception is 99% of reality, and people are upset, worried, and doubting GAW heavily and rightfully so.
September 26, 2014, 11:16:41 AM
Which one is the gift? Some sell quite well, like Zen. I can't sell Waffle for a week now. I don't know about Primes, but you can go ahead and let us know how it works out for you
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
Remember, it only sells if someone buys it for a full price on ZenCloud (last time I looked it wasn't linked with gawminers.com or resellers)
One I bought is Prime one I got as a gift is Solo. Put them both on sale, will let you know how fast (or if
) they sell. September 26, 2014, 11:13:57 AM
Suprised there is not more talk on the big sell off. It's suspect Volder is doing it as he normally knows insider info, regardless of his claims he doesn't.
This has me and a lot of others very worried. Anyone know anything?
This has me and a lot of others very worried. Anyone know anything?
If it was just volder I would say no big deal...But when other big people follow suit...ya I'd be worried...they even all almost say the same reasons for wanting to get out...But they might be stuck...cause who has that amount of cash lying around
Yea, they know something but obviously can't say that. Suppose they think we are dumb enough to believe they have no inside info. It's been know for a long time Volder did, but not sure about Russian.
I think they both stand to make a decent amount of money if they can sell those accounts and for that there doesn't have to be any sinister motivation or insider knowledge (aside maybe from the initial buy-in at $16). It's just the fact that volder the cheerleader is bailing makes a lot of customers uneasy. Even if he doesn't have inside info this makes it look like he doesn't believe there is a lot of upside in the future. The only "reason" for the sell off as far as I could see was that he needs cash for his reseller business but that was posted by someone else, not volder himself.
And yes, there are many 100+ and some 1000+ accounts for sale. I doubt they'll be getting anywhere near $40 per.
September 26, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
So a buddy of mine on the site got banned under the guise of "attacking a moderator".. All he was saying was regardless if it's true or not, people think Volder has inside info. And as Volder has stated himself, he talks to Josh daily which makes this whole thing extremely suspect.
As far as the moderator goes - He basically just said why are you even responding to my comment - it's specifically directed at Volder and has nothing to do with you.
So basically - Not even directly saying insider trading is going, but merely saying the perception is there and has caused damaged to the trust of the company gets you shadow banned.
As far as the moderator goes - He basically just said why are you even responding to my comment - it's specifically directed at Volder and has nothing to do with you.
So basically - Not even directly saying insider trading is going, but merely saying the perception is there and has caused damaged to the trust of the company gets you shadow banned.
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