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legendary
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So, will shares be eventually redeemable from SMBIT at their nominal value (0.1 of current BTC market price)?  By brokers, if not by original investors?

My guess the only ones who could tell you that is Barry Silbert & Crew.

I think we both know how this ends.
hero member
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you disingenuous troll

I am not "disingenuous", I have a very negative view of these bitcoin funds -- more so than of bitcoin itself.  Why should I not ask important questions that no one seems willing to ask?
legendary
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Nobody knows, but hit it right and your efforts will be greatly appreciated. Kiss
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So, will shares be eventually redeemable from SMBIT at their nominal value (0.1 of current BTC market price)?  By brokers, if not by original investors?
legendary
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What does the G stand for?

Grayscale Investments?
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What does the G stand for?

Go Buy The Coin
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What does the G stand for?
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I got convinced that the news won't bring any significant impact to the market: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2xlhvr/silberts_bitcoin_trust_gets_finra_ok_to_be_public/
legendary
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I hope listing on OTCQX will bring some real liquidity to bitcoin market
legendary
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Thank you for the info David.

So shares need to be 12 months old before they can be sold on OTC Market. It will be fun to see how this develops with limited supply there.
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Investor Letter — March 02, 2015 I [email protected]

OTCQX® Update

We are pleased to announce that the Bitcoin Investment Trust's shares (BIT) have been assigned the ticker symbol GBTC by FINRA in connection with its approval of the Form 15c-211 filed by the BIT's market maker. The BIT's sponsor is now finalizing the process of obtaining approval from OTC Markets to allow BIT shares that have been held for at least 12 months to be quoted on OTCQX®, the top marketplace operated by OTC Markets Group, under the Alternative Reporting Standards. In addition, the BIT's sponsor is in the process of making the shares DTC-eligible to facilitate trading once it commences.

We anticipate that the BIT's shares will be eligible to be quoted on OTCQX® and DTC-eligible during the next few weeks, although we can make no guarantees as to exact timing. It is important to note the price of shares traded on OTCQX® will be established by market bids and asks and will not necessarily reflect the BIT's NAV/share or the spot price of bitcoin. In addition, no assurances can be given as to whether an active public secondary market for the shares will develop or be maintained.

As always, qualified accredited investors may choose to invest in shares of the BIT directly through the BIT's ongoing private placement at the daily NAV/share1. Please note that BIT shares purchased through the ongoing private placement are subject to significant resale and transferability limitations and will not be eligible to be sold on OTCQX® until held for more than one year. BIT shares purchased on OTCQX®, however, are freely tradable once purchased.

Steps to Sell Shares on OTCQX®

Once we obtain the necessary approvals to enable the BIT shares to be quoted on OTCQX®, we will send you further details. In the meantime, please see some information that will be of interest to investors that have held BIT shares for at least 12 months and who will be eligible sell those shares on OTCQX®.

  • Our transfer agent, Continental Stock Transfer & Trust, will be mailing each eligible shareholder a share ownership statement.
  • This statement will include instructions on how to have your shares electronically transferred via Direct Registration System (DRS) to the broker of your choice.
  • Once your shares have been transferred to your brokerage account, you will be able to place an order to sell your shares.
  • Shareholders may continue to hold their shares in DRS book-entry form with Continental if they so choose.
  • If you have any questions regarding your share ownership statement, if your address has recently changed, or if you have any other questions at this time regarding transferring your shares to your own brokerage account, please contact Continental at (800) 509-5586 or (212) 509-4000.

As always, please also do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or concerns about this process.

To the extent that you do not already have a personal brokerage account and would like to establish one, we would be happy to put you in contact with Merriman Capital, the broker dealer that is both the BIT's initial market maker and its Designated Advisor for Disclosure (DAD).

1The BIT's NAV/share will be published each U.S. business day on the sponsor's website: www.grayscale.co
legendary
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The ticker has changed to GBTC now.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/profile

Curious to know what is your take on this comment?

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In a statement, the Digital Currency Group said, “Although we have been assigned a ticker symbol, no assurances can be given as to when or if such trading will commence, or that an active public secondary market for BIT shares will develop or be maintained.



I guess they must say that until an official announcement. I don't doubt that it will be traded after they got the OK from FINRA and the BIT showed up on OTC Market.
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The ticker has changed to GBTC now.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/profile

Curious to know what is your take on this comment?

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In a statement, the Digital Currency Group said, “Although we have been assigned a ticker symbol, no assurances can be given as to when or if such trading will commence, or that an active public secondary market for BIT shares will develop or be maintained.

legendary
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The ticker has changed to GBTC now.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/profile
legendary
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As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.
Even if this is true does it prevent BIT from buying more bitcoins ? (and sell 1 year old shares )

~83k coins have been in the BIT for more than a year, so these will be sold at the OTC market if the investors can buy new shares for a lower price than they sell them for. And then the number will increase every month if there is demand.

Not quite, those bitcoins will be sold only if the owners of the corresponding shares are allowed to redeem them (sell them back to SMBIT).  If the owners sell the shares on the OTC market, SMBIT neither buys nor sells.

Redemptions have been suspended since last October.  It is not clear if and when they will be allowed again.  

Long term investors with shares older than 1 year (about 83k coins) will sell them on OTC market if they can buy new cheaper shares from Grayscale. This will happen if the price on OTC market is higher than on the regular bitcoin exchanges.
hero member
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As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.
Even if this is true does it prevent BIT from buying more bitcoins ? (and sell 1 year old shares )

~83k coins have been in the BIT for more than a year, so these will be sold at the OTC market if the investors can buy new shares for a lower price than they sell them for. And then the number will increase every month if there is demand.

Not quite, those bitcoins will be sold only if the owners of the corresponding shares are allowed to redeem them (sell them back to SMBIT).  If the owners sell the shares on the OTC market, SMBIT neither buys nor sells.

Redemptions have been suspended since last October.  It is not clear if and when they will be allowed again.  

I think [SMBIT will buy more bitcoins] with the U.S. Marshals auction.

They should buy more bitcoins only if more people buy shares directly from them. After the shares become tradeable, if the price of their shares on the OTC market is sufficiently high, SMBIT may want to buy bitcoins and sell more shares on that market. Conversely, if the share price on OTCQX drops enough, and redemptions are still disabled, it will be profitable for SMBIT to buy their own shares on the market and sell the corresponding bitcoins.
legendary
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Of course they will be able to do that, and I think they'll probably do that with the U.S. Marshals auction.
legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL
As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.

Even if this is true does it prevent BIT from buying more bitcoins ? (and sell 1 year old shares )


~83k coins have been in the BIT for more than a year, so these will be sold at the OTC market if the investors can buy new shares for a lower price than they sell them for. And then the number will increase every month if there is demand.
legendary
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As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.

Even if this is true does it prevent BIT from buying more bitcoins ? (and sell 1 year old shares )
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