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legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL
As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.

Hmm... I hope you are wrong.  Huh
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As I get it they still can only sell a year old shares though, just that now there are ones that are old enough.
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Secondmarket investors could not sell in the past and now the expiry period is over, and that means it's publicly traded, right?
Or can anybody explain what exactly else that means?

Yes, the BIT will be listed on OTC Markets and it will be publicly traded.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

(The ticker will change to GBTC.)

I mean implicitly, and only if IPO investors decide to sell, because where else are BIT shares supposed to come from?

As long as the bid price on the OTC market is higher than on the regular bitcoin exchanges, Grayscale will purchase bitcoins, create shares in the BIT and sell the shares to accredited investors which will sell the shares on the OTC market.
legendary
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Secondmarket investors could not sell in the past and now the expiry period is over, and that means it's publicly traded, right?
Or can anybody explain what exactly else that means?

Yes, the BIT will be listed on OTC Markets and it will be publicly traded.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

(The ticker will change to GBTC.)

I mean implicitly, and only if IPO investors decide to sell, because where else are BIT shares supposed to come from?
legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL
Secondmarket investors could not sell in the past and now the expiry period is over, and that means it's publicly traded, right?
Or can anybody explain what exactly else that means?

Yes, the BIT will be listed on OTC Markets and it will be publicly traded.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

(The ticker will change to GBTC.)
legendary
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Barry Silbert’s Bitcoin Investment Trust is poised to become the first publicly traded bitcoin fund, with approval and assignment of a ticker symbol by the financial industry’s main self-regulatory body paving the way for trading on an electronic platform operated by OTC Markets Group .

The BIT, which was first launched in 2013 as a private fund for accredited investors with annual incomes greater than $200,000 or assets of more than $1 million, has been racing against a rival offering by twins Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc. Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg .

While the competing Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust is going through a lengthy Securities and Exchange Commission process to register a formal exchange-traded fund, the BIT has taken a backdoor route to public listing. By exploiting a rule that allows holders of a private fund to sell their shares publicly after a 12-month lockup period and completing a less arduous approval process with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, some of those long-held shares in BIT should soon be available to investors of any income or wealth bracket. The BIT is sponsored by Grayscale Investments, a unit of Mr. Silbert’s Digital Currency Group, which he established last year to hold the digital currency interests of his broker-dealer SecondMarket Inc.

The creation of a publicly traded bitcoin investment vehicle is seen as an important milestone for the digital currency’s bid for mainstream acceptance. Bitcoin advocates hope that regulated instruments will encourage a wider investment base as investors will no longer need to own bitcoin directly, which can expose them to hacking risks. Those same enthusiasts hope that more liquid trading will help smooth bitcoin’s notoriously volatile price and thus make the digital currency more appealing for online payments and value transfers.

Neither Tyler nor Cameron Winklevoss was immediately available for comment. In the past they have argued that their offering will be superior to the Digital Currency Group’s because investors will want the full imprimatur of the SEC before buying an ETF-like vehicle. Without SEC approval, Mr. Silbert’s fund can’t be formally classified as an ETF, but once existing shares are offered publicly it will function very much like one.

As of Sunday, BIT shares were being cited under the temporary ticker symbol BTCV on OTC Markets’ “pink sheets” site, which includes over-the-counter offerings from companies with limited information disclosure. Price quotes are being supplied by Merriman Capital, which has been given a 30-day exclusive status to function as the fund’s initial market maker.

Mr. Silbert said Finra granted its request for a permanent ticker symbol, GBTC, and that “is expected to be effective shortly.” He said Grayscale is also separately “working through the approval process to enable the BIT’s shares to be quoted under the Alternative Reporting Standards on OTCQX, the top marketplace operated by OTC Markets Group.” That top-tier marketplace holds issuers to significantly higher standards of disclosure than is required for its pink sheet listings.

It is unclear how much secondary trading there will be in the BIT’s publicly listed shares. Any new shares, which are generated whenever Grayscale purchases bitcoins, can be sold only to wealthy, accredited investors. The size of the secondary market float will depend on how many early investors take advantage of the expiry of the lockup period to sell.

In a statement, the Digital Currency Group said, “Although we have been assigned a ticker symbol, no assurances can be given as to when or if such trading will commence, or that an active public secondary market for BIT shares will develop or be maintained.”

Many investors who purchased their shares at the BIT’s launch in the fall of 2013, when bitcoin’s price was around $100, have an incentive to sell. Even though bitcoin’s price is well down from its peak around $1,150 in early December of that year, at the current $247 price quoted by news site Coindesk, those early investors have a chance to realize a healthy profit. The Digital Currency Group is also allowed to offer a limited amount of its proprietary shares to the public, which would encourage the development of the secondary market.


Each share of BIT is worth approximately one-tenth of a bitcoin. As of Friday, the trust’s net asset value stood at $24.43 per share.

Write to Michael J. Casey at [email protected]


Secondmarket investors could not sell in the past and now the expiry period is over, and that means it's publicly traded, right?
Or can anybody explain what exactly else that means?
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Publically traded!
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Bitcoin Investment Trust Gets Finra’s OK to Become Public Bitcoin Fund

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bitcoin-investment-trust-gets-finras-ok-to-become-public-bitcoin-fund-1425242094

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By MICHAEL J. CASEY
March 1, 2015 3:34 p.m. ET

Barry Silbert’s Bitcoin Investment Trust is poised to become the first publicly traded bitcoin fund, with approval and assignment of a ticker symbol by the financial industry’s main self-regulatory body paving the way for trading on an electronic platform operated by OTC Markets Group .

The BIT, which was first launched in 2013 as a private fund for accredited investors with annual incomes greater than $200,000 or assets of more than $1 million, has been racing against a rival offering by twins Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc. chief executive Mark Zuckerberg .

Whereas the competing Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust is going through a lengthy Securities and Exchange Commission process to register a formal exchange-traded fund, the BIT as taken a backdoor route to public listing. By exploiting a rule that allows holders of a private fund to sell their shares publicly after a 12-month lockup period and completing a less arduous approval process with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, some of those long-held shares in BIT should soon be available to investors of any income or wealth bracket. The BIT is sponsored by Grayscale Investments, a unit of Mr. Silbert’s Digital Currency Group, which he established last year to hold the digital currency interests of his broker-dealer SecondMarket Inc.
hero member
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Does OTCQX trade 24/7, like bitcoin exchanges? Or only during business hours, like NYSE?
legendary
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This showed up in my Google news alert today  Smiley
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

Well, it seems that SMBIT is listed at OTCQX finally.

Is trading there open yet?

No, but I guess it's getting closer since they listed the BIT.
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This showed up in my Google news alert today  Smiley
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile

Well, it seems that SMBIT is listed at OTCQX finally.

Is trading there open yet?

Will SMBIT re-enable redemptions?

The SEC filing does not seem say much, unfortunately.  Anything that we did not know already?
legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL
This showed up in my Google news alert today  Smiley

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/BTCV/profile
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February 24, 2015, 06:48:48 PM
Not much going on, true. But I also believe it's even incredible that there's more money going in when people aren't able to cash-out. Do you think people may be more tempted to buy on Coinbase or future ETFs, maybe?

The feds selling off chunks is also helpful for investors, they don't need secondmarket as much to get involved.  It does seem a shame that they aren't continuing to accumulate though, at least they aren't dumping...

If I needed to accumulate I would have done so near $180. I'm sure there were many professional interests at that level willing to buy from weak hands.
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 05:07:42 PM
Sophisticated investors not so sophisticated by the look of it.
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
Not much going on, true. But I also believe it's even incredible that there's more money going in when people aren't able to cash-out. Do you think people may be more tempted to buy on Coinbase or future ETFs, maybe?

The feds selling off chunks is also helpful for investors, they don't need secondmarket as much to get involved.  It does seem a shame that they aren't continuing to accumulate though, at least they aren't dumping...
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February 24, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
Can anyone guessxplain why redemptions *had* to be suspended while negotiating the OTCQX listing?
It was forced on them by the SEC I think until their ETF is approved or disapproved. Seems a little unfair on their unwitting investors.

I cannot understand the logic either. 

IIRC, that information was confirmed by two or three clients who claimed to have got that information from SMBIT, but could not say more because of non-disclosure agreements.  Barry confirmed on Twitter that redemptions are suspended while they are waiting for OTCQX, but did not say whether it was by order of the SEC or not.

If anything, it would make sense for the SEC to prohibit selling shares while waiting for approval, not redeeming them.

Did SMBIT at least promise to resume redemptions after the shares are listed on OTCQX?  Does the contract allow them to cancel redemptions permanently?
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February 24, 2015, 02:16:09 PM

It was forced on them by the SEC I think until their ETF is approved or disapproved. Seems a little unfair on their unwitting investors.

Is there anything to back this up? It seems like a very unusual request for the SEC to lock investors into a trust. Is there a precedent? IDK.
Just speculating and adding a dose of 'tongue-in-cheek' cynicism as the whole thing seems highly unusual to me... Undecided

Yes, I am a bit biased - I think the fact that he was openly laughing on Twitter about the market crashing, while his investors were unable to cash out, was extremely  unprofessional at the very least, and I would not trust him with a $1 of my money. It also looked very much like he was on 'the inside' re the Coinbase exchange launch too ...
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February 24, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
Not much going on, true. But I also believe it's even incredible that there's more money going in when people aren't able to cash-out. Do you think people may be more tempted to buy on Coinbase or future ETFs, maybe?
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 02:09:10 PM
No major activity from SecondMarket during last 3 months. Even these big guys feeling bearish ?
Or could be no-one wants to invest in a fund that doesn't currently permit redemptions.

Will redemptions resume once shares are listed at OTCQX?  Or will clients have to look for Greater Fools in order to get their money back?

Can anyone guessxplain why redemptions *had* to be suspended while negotiating the OTCQX listing?


Maybe so that Shillbert could play with the coins himself ??
Is there any kind of solid proof that he would not be able to do this ? IDK what kind of records they produce, but 100k coins would sure be fun to play the market with  Shocked

It was forced on them by the SEC I think until their ETF is approved or disapproved. Seems a little unfair on their unwitting investors.
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February 24, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
No major activity from SecondMarket during last 3 months. Even these big guys feeling bearish ?
Or could be no-one wants to invest in a fund that doesn't currently permit redemptions.

Will redemptions resume once shares are listed at OTCQX?  Or will clients have to look for Greater Fools in order to get their money back?

Can anyone guessxplain why redemptions *had* to be suspended while negotiating the OTCQX listing?


Maybe so that Shillbert could play with the coins himself ??
Is there any kind of solid proof that he would not be able to do this ? IDK what kind of records they produce, but 100k coins would sure be fun to play the market with  Shocked
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