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hero member
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March 21, 2014, 10:14:29 AM
Does anyone have the updated number of the amount of coins that SecondMarket currently holds, including subtracting any sales?

Estimated: 90560XBT

Actual number is published at the beginning of every month
thanks for our work.
Interesting and (slightly) bullish anyway
The actual Holding is the estimated XBT,right ?
sr. member
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March 21, 2014, 06:38:17 AM
my math says they bought about $1.3 million dollars worth of BTC today, yet we still have a size-able dip.

2073XBT bought yesterday. It could be an OTC deal.

Getting more and more interesting...  Smiley
legendary
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March 20, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
Does anyone have the updated number of the amount of coins that SecondMarket currently holds, including subtracting any sales?

Estimated: 90560XBT

Actual number is published at the beginning of every month
hero member
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March 20, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
Does anyone have the updated number of the amount of coins that SecondMarket currently holds, including subtracting any sales?

First page of this thread, dude
hero member
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March 20, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
Does anyone have the updated number of the amount of coins that SecondMarket currently holds, including subtracting any sales?
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
March 20, 2014, 09:59:42 PM
my math says they bought about $1.3 million dollars worth of BTC today, yet we still have a size-able dip.

2073XBT bought yesterday. It could be an OTC deal.

Always
legendary
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March 20, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
my math says they bought about $1.3 million dollars worth of BTC today, yet we still have a size-able dip.

2073XBT bought yesterday. It could be an OTC deal.
hero member
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March 20, 2014, 09:37:25 PM
If I understood correctly, that Fox video and today's net news say that Second Market plans to create or enable a market for shares of their Bitcoin Investment Trust, and/or open the trust to ordinary investors, by the fourth quarter of this year.

Neither of those things seems to be related to the statement on their site that "liquidity should begin no later than March 2014".  Have they said anything about this?
hero member
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March 20, 2014, 05:05:24 PM
my math says they bought about $1.3 million dollars worth of BTC today, yet we still have a size-able dip.
legendary
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March 20, 2014, 12:13:34 PM
Updates?  Smiley

updated but not much action
sr. member
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March 20, 2014, 11:26:02 AM
Updates?  Smiley
hero member
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March 19, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
Liquidity starts April 1st and will be on a monthly basis going forward until BIT approved to be traded publicly and daily.
That WSJ article was posted  here but does not mention liquidity.  Where is that?
hero member
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March 19, 2014, 06:03:18 PM

Liquidity starts April 1st and will be on a monthly basis going forward until BIT approved to be traded publicly and daily.
legendary
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March 16, 2014, 08:11:34 AM
I'd have to imagine that given the fees involved, most of their clients are going to be long-term holders.

Their fees are much lower than the expecetd changes in BTC price.

If an investor believes that BTC may lose 10% of its value in the next year  (or whatever time frame he cares for), then he would probably want to liquidate now.  If I read correctly, the value already dropped from ~85$ to ~62$ over the last month.


So why not wait until it drops to ~$50 and then it really really confirms that the time is to sell?
The fact is that SM investors are professionals who know the principle of buy low & sell high, and they also take a long-term view: 2+ years. The current dip is nothing but noise in the long-term view.

One of the things also with the price of BIT is that they used to take the price from various sources, but it included Mt Gox pricing.  As soon as they stopped using Gox pricing in their formula the price dropped significantly, artificially, as well as the market drop.
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March 15, 2014, 07:11:38 PM

If an investor believes that BTC may lose 10% of its value in the next year  (or whatever time frame he cares for), then he would probably want to liquidate now.  If I read correctly, the value already dropped from ~85$ to ~62$ over the last month.

The fact is that SM investors are professionals who know the principle of buy low & sell high,

Professionals know more than that simple rule.  (Note that it fails if the "low" where the item was bought is not followed by a suitable "high" in an acceptable time frame.   If the fund's  value will "never" return to the 80$ level, a trader who follows that rule blindly will lose 100%, while a trader who liquidates now will lose only 25%.)

So why not wait until it drops to ~$50 and then it really really confirms that the time is to sell?
[ ... professionals ]also take a long-term view: 2+ years. The current dip is nothing but noise in the long-term view.

That is why I wrote "in whatever time frame he cares for".  If such a trader believes that the value will go up by 10% or more over 60$ within that 2+ year frame,  he will hold; but if he expects that in 2+ years the value will not increase over 60$ by more than the fees, he will want to liquidate as soon as possible and move to a better investment.

And he will not base such belief merely on the past price history, he will look for fundamentals.  (I mentioned the drop from 80$ to 60$ only to show that a 2% fee is not a significant deterrent to early liquidation in the case of bitcoin investments.  I did not mean that such a drop was a reason to sell.)
legendary
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March 15, 2014, 06:23:04 PM
I'd have to imagine that given the fees involved, most of their clients are going to be long-term holders.

Their fees are much lower than the expecetd changes in BTC price.

If an investor believes that BTC may lose 10% of its value in the next year  (or whatever time frame he cares for), then he would probably want to liquidate now.  If I read correctly, the value already dropped from ~85$ to ~62$ over the last month.


So why not wait until it drops to ~$50 and then it really really confirms that the time is to sell?
The fact is that SM investors are professionals who know the principle of buy low & sell high, and they also take a long-term view: 2+ years. The current dip is nothing but noise in the long-term view.
hero member
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March 15, 2014, 05:29:54 PM
I'd have to imagine that given the fees involved, most of their clients are going to be long-term holders.

Their fees are much lower than the expecetd changes in BTC price.

If an investor believes that BTC may lose 10% of its value in the next year  (or whatever time frame he cares for), then he would probably want to liquidate now.  If I read correctly, the value already dropped from ~85$ to ~62$ over the last month.
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