George Zimmerman arrested for 2nd degree murder for killing Trayvon Martin - page 5.

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Quote from: Brunic on April 14, 2012, 01:22:52 PM

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Quote from: Brunic on April 14, 2012, 12:46:18 PM

You shoot with a gun to kill, not to hurt or disarm.

Sadly, this. Would be great if guns could be used non-lethally, but that is just Hollywood. Not even tasers are called "non-lethal" anymore; they are "less-lethal" because people can still die.

Would be better if guns were not in the hands of crazies but hey, I'm certainly not going to argue the NRA-sponsored 2nd amendment. Grin

Yes. True. It would be much better if Zimmerman didn't have a gun at all.

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Quote from: Red Emerald on April 14, 2012, 12:50:15 PM

Quote from: Brunic on April 14, 2012, 12:46:18 PM

You shoot with a gun to kill, not to hurt or disarm.

Sadly, this. Would be great if guns could be used non-lethally, but that is just Hollywood. Not even tasers are called "non-lethal" anymore; they are "less-lethal" because people can still die.

Would be better if guns were not in the hands of crazies but hey, I'm certainly not going to argue the NRA-sponsored 2nd amendment. Grin

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If you go into a 'Biker' bar spouting off about how they are 'pu55ies', Do you deserve to die?

No, but you probably will. This is the lesson.

The Gun debate is funny. Liberals usually don't want them. Conservatives do. I hunt, so I am biased.

The Irony is, I would be fine with no guns being in the 'World'. Then it will go back to the strongest and survival of the fittest. The weak will have no defense. How do you rate yourself?

This quote: "god made man but samuel colt made them equal" has truth in it.

This Zimmerman case was politicized. By default, he should at the minimum not be charged until it isn't a political issue.

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Quote from: Brunic on April 14, 2012, 12:46:18 PM

You shoot with a gun to kill, not to hurt or disarm.

Sadly, this. Would be great if guns could be used non-lethally, but that is just Hollywood. Not even tasers are called "non-lethal" anymore; they are "less-lethal" because people can still die.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on April 14, 2012, 09:59:26 AM

Quote from: Realpra on April 14, 2012, 08:52:25 AM

Why didn't he shoot Trayvon in the legs, arms, shoulder or even lower body?

Because if you pull a gun on somebody you are going for the largest body mass not trying to wing them. I think they teach that in police training.

Bingo! Shooting in the legs or arms is a myth, you only see that in Hollywood movies. Police are trained to always to shoot the larger body mass, because you don't want to miss. It's too easy to miss a leg or an arm and shoot innocent bystanders. It happened in Montreal 2 years ago when the police shot a guy attacking them with a knife. One bullet missed, and killed an innocent citizen going to work on a bike 2 blocks farther.

You shoot with a gun to kill, not to hurt or disarm.

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Quote from: Realpra on April 14, 2012, 08:52:25 AM

So lets say Trayvon was very aggressive, the neighborhood thief, fast, muscular and trying to get his gun - SO WHAT?

Why didn't Zimmerman say "freeze"?
Why didn't he shoot Trayvon in the legs, arms, shoulder or even lower body?

Zimmerman is a killer and he has the violent history and social dysfunctionality to back that theory up plenty.

If you still support him you are a crazy and evil racist m*therf*cker.

Because if you pull a gun on somebody you are going for the largest body mass not trying to wing them. I think they teach that in police training.

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Quote from: Realpra on April 14, 2012, 08:52:25 AM

So lets say Trayvon was very aggressive, the neighborhood thief, fast, muscular and trying to get his gun - SO WHAT?

Why didn't Zimmerman say "freeze"?
Why didn't he shoot Trayvon in the legs, arms, shoulder or even lower body?

Zimmerman is a killer and he has the violent history and social dysfunctionality to back that theory up plenty.

If you still support him you are a crazy and evil racist m*therf*cker.

Wow - what is about this case that makes people feel compelled to make stuff up to prove their point? Is waiting until the true facts are laid out in court really so painful?

BTW, we can say motherfucker all day long here. No need for the cute little st*rs.

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So lets say Trayvon was very aggressive, the neighborhood thief, fast, muscular and trying to get his gun - SO WHAT?

Why didn't Zimmerman say "freeze"?
Why didn't he shoot Trayvon in the legs, arms, shoulder or even lower body?

Zimmerman is a killer and he has the violent history and social dysfunctionality to back that theory up plenty.

If you still support him you are a crazy and evil racist m*therf*cker.

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Quote from: nedbert9 on April 14, 2012, 03:57:09 AM

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2. Based on the 911 tape and Zimmerman's statement Mr. Trayvon Martin ran away, quite possibly reaching his domicile, then returned to the general area where he and Zimmerman last had visual contact.

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Do you have a proper source for that?

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uhhg. Poor Zimmerman. Poor Trayvon. Poor public. Blah blah.

I hate when the racial fire is stoked. Reminds me of good old witch hunts. Burn him, burn him! Cheesy

Couple of interesting points. One factual, one that must now be proven in court.

1. After an incident where a white police lieutenant's son knocked out a black homeless man Mr. George Zimmerman, apparently a strong community activist, visited the black community to hand out flyers to raise awareness of the incident in attempt to effect a response from the black community.

IMO. This would be a VERY strange thing for a 'crazed racist' to do. lol. But whatever. Get your pitchforks. Start the bonfire. We've got a racist to burn. Tongue

2. Based on the 911 tape and Zimmerman's statement Mr. Trayvon Martin ran away, quite possibly reaching his domicile, then returned to the general area where he and Zimmerman last had visual contact.

WTF? Another 'crazed racist' running another black kid down only to blow their brains out. Yeah...yeah, right.

Based on all of this 'outrage' I worry that black members of this case's jury will have a hard time being objective and just.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 10:03:17 PM

Apparently the only acceptable point of view for ANYBODY who wasn't there is that this is an outrage against humanity, and that the poor defenseless child was gunned down in cold blood.
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Um, most people think it was an unfortunate incident that the police mishandled. A child with valid ID in his pocket was tagged as a John Doe. 3 days later his family identified him and were told the man who shot him was never even arrested. Naturally they were outraged.

Now Zimmerman has been arrested, the family say they are happy to let the law take its course. They know Zimmerman will walk...but at least their child's death will be officially investigated.

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Dutchie- if passive aggressive pinheads like you are the supporters of Trayvon, he's probably glad he's dead sitting there in Hell. 'Cause life here amongst the living sure would have sucked with friends like you.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 10:03:17 PM

Apparently the only acceptable point of view for ANYBODY who wasn't there is that this is an outrage against humanity, and that the poor defenseless child was gunned down in cold blood.

Whatever. Zimmerman will walk free when this travesty is done, and Trayvon will still be dead. Guess somebody made a real stupid mistake that day, and only one of the two principals involved will be reflecting on his choice in this mortal coil. Lex loci.

And Dutch? Sure I do... one is shoe polish. I also expect I would have supported your point of view if your non-charges were similar to these.

Whatever.

Rest assured that I would find your support as useless as your other thoughts. If a closet case like you leapt to my defence I would have very much enjoyed smacking the shit out of your girly ass for putting me at the risk of being associated with your childish bullshit.

Fuck you and the chihuahua that sired you, you're a waste of deserving people's oxygen and so typical of the most blank generation the western world has ever seen Grin

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Apparently the only acceptable point of view for ANYBODY who wasn't there is that this is an outrage against humanity, and that the poor defenseless child was gunned down in cold blood.

Whatever. Zimmerman will walk free when this travesty is done, and Trayvon will still be dead. Guess somebody made a real stupid mistake that day, and only one of the two principals involved will be reflecting on his choice in this mortal coil. Lex loci.

And Dutch? Sure I do... one is shoe polish. I also expect I would have supported your point of view if your non-charges were similar to these.

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 03:07:06 PM

Quote from: Dutch Merganser on April 13, 2012, 11:25:57 AM

Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 10:26:23 AM

Ah, but Trayvon was the original instigator in this matter, and he got what was coming to him. He went looking for a fight and found one he couldn't handle, and died because of his own actions. No amount of crying, or "I could have been him 20 years ago" bullshit is going to change the facts of this matter. Zimmerman acted in self-defense after a premeditated assault, and the world has lost one more wanna-be gangbanger. Boo fucking hoo.

Interesting. Have you been interviewed as a witness? When do you testify?

If not, you're full of shit man, and you whine like a little punk ass bitch white boy, which you undoubtedly are.

...more "facts" that have yet to be established from a non-witness pulling his tiny little pud for all to see...

You don't know shit from shinola, boy, I'm multi-racial, if you saw me you could mistake me for Henry Rollins. Why did you assume I was a "black racist"? ROTFLMFAO, boy, you're thinner than piss on a hot rock and your weakness of mind and character is an open book for all to read.

Sometime I should tell you about the time I didn't get charged with 2nd degree murder for using a firearm in self defense, and I'm not talking about all the targets I connected with when I was in Vietnam.

Your shit is childish and tells more about your inner fears and insecurity than anything else. Perhaps I should start a thread on the subject of "Why Does Bitcoin Attract So Many Scared Little Closet Case¹ Weenie Boys" in your honor.

1. The use of "closet case" above is the older meaning referring to retarded children who are a family embarrassment and are kept out of sight "in the closet".

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 03:07:06 PM

Too bad Dutchie- indeed I am White, but not quite the shit-filled punk-ass bitch you want to think I am. I speak out against racism of any kind, and in this case your boy Trayvon was wrong. He opened up a can of worms that he wasn't fully prepared to deal with, and got himself killed with his pseudo-macho gang-banger wanna-be antics. Zimmerman acted out the responsibility that he had taken on as a neighborhood watch member, and when assaulted, protected himself. Having the instant mob vigilantism of racist hate-mongers like Sharpton and Jackson appear to inflame the easily led, and the comments of Obama and the Hollywood Left has done nothing but pour gasoline on a very bad situation.

I do not think this case is about race. It is about manslaughter.

How you think Trayvon opened up a can of worms I do not understand. Trayvon was stalked, harassed and when he (possibly) tried to stand his ground (as was HIS legal right in Florida) he was shot. He also may have just been plain murdered but we just don't know.

With all of the talk on this board about non-aggression and staying out of the business of others Zimmerman runs against everything most libertarians believe in. He denied Trayvon the right to walk down the street.

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Quote from: bb113 on April 13, 2012, 04:27:10 PM

The racist thing is just made up by the media... don't people know this info by now?

Some people LOVE being outraged. I often wonder are they really upset or are they hoping that acting upset gets them better publicity.

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The racist thing is just made up by the media... don't people know this info by now?

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Quote from: LoupGaroux on April 13, 2012, 03:07:06 PM

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I speak out against racism of any kind, and in this case your boy Trayvon was wrong. He opened up a can of worms that he wasn't fully prepared to deal with, and got himself killed with his pseudo-macho gang-banger wanna-be antics.

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Making stuff up to prove your point is not clever. You were not there; you don't know what happened; don't act like you do.

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Quote from: Jon on April 13, 2012, 11:31:56 AM

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Quote from: Jon on April 13, 2012, 10:34:11 AM

Zimmerman was on public property. He was a neighborhood-watchmen. He wasn't hurting nobody (not even Trayvon) by watching him. If Trayvon didn't like it, he could simply leave.

No altercation is justified.

If it is true that Trayvon tried to grab Zimmerman's gun, then the results (the fatality) are justified.

Not so simple when a crazed racist is following you.

"When walking in open territory, bother no one". Right Atlas?

I've dealt with crazed racists. Stupid but not dangerous. Beliefs do not make someone a threat. Only actions do.

Thoughts being a crime -- that's a scary precedent. It's why I don't believe in "hate crimes". A crime is a crime. A thought is a thought.

We should never prosecute somebody for their beliefs even if they are racist.

Wtf? I never said anything about thoughtcrime, just that he can't "simply leave" when someone is following him. Why did Zimmerman follow? Because he's a crazed racist.

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