Topic: Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar - page 10. (Read 4254 times)

Also sad many politicians don't understand it either. The focus has been on CO₂ and the climate for a long time, up to the point of storing CO₂ underground. But none of that solves the supply problems, and I believe a shortage of resources is going to be a much bigger problem than rising temperatures.

A minute of black humor. Somewhere in the Internet I've seen a funny picture - "how to fight with poverty and hunger - let hungry people eat poor people" two problems solved simultaneously. That is an answer what should be burned next. It might turn that all of a sudden amount of gas supply is enough for everybody.

Sad to realize that only small part of people understand real problem natural resources. A lot of people know that their monthly bill amount to be paid soon will look like telephone number, but people prefer to smile, joke and only complain about that. I expect new offers from banks to appear - loans to pay utility bill.

Bills and eviction notices

Germans and Europe is dependable from Russian gas, wheat war, oil price growth - sometimes I am amazed how countries blindly became fully dependable from their neighbor and never had Plan B in case something happens. Politicians must have foreseen such cases and be ready to act or give a reasonable alternative. I dont count consumption reduction is a way out of this situation. How many times we need to cut gas consumption, that will make everyone happy and had enough of it? Firewood is not infinite. What will be offered to burn next to get warm ?

Probably. You don't need tin-foil hats for that: most countries would rather have business for themselves than for another country.

That's incorrect:
I haven't seen this before. Do you have a reference link?

Agreed. We're pretty much fucked at the moment.

Yep. Germany was an intermediary and resold gas to neighbors through a virtual or physical reverse, but now this is in the past - Germany itself does not have enough gas in the conditions of the Nord Stream shutdown.

Once again your hatred of Russia blinded you about other propaganda. First of all their full 100% storage is only enough for a week or two of gas consumption in normal situation, not even during cold season when consumption increases.
Secondly they are counting the gas that was supposed to be received from US and elsewhere as part of that storage whereas they haven't sent that gas yet!

In other words the economic situation is so much worse that we thought. We should expect a much bigger inflation due to this money printing policy in near future on top of everything else.

Wasn't Germany the intermediary before? I believe that there might be a conspiracy here. Tin-foil hats on, but the United States might have something to do with this. Because when Germany, the intermediary, has been importing more and more Natural Gas from Russia, they also started being less dependent on U.S. Gas. Isn't possible that the U.S. wants the E.U. to be more dependent on them than the Russians?

While the propaganda media of the terrorist country and their henchmen are spreading a horror story from an alternative pseudo-reality about how the whole of Europe will freeze without Russian gas, in Germany, in reality the situation is as follows:
- As of August 31, the filling of gas storages exceeded 85% and the rate of gas accumulation exceeded the filling rate for the last 5 years. This is provided that gas consumption will be reduced by 15%, which means that with this nuance, storage facilities have 100% of the required reserve, taking into account the deduction of 15% for reducing gas consumption. BUT! The purchase of gas has not ended yet
- The German government announced the allocation of 65 billion euros to help businesses and the public.

Well, how did the Kremlin terrorists achieve results with terrorism?

Unfortunately, Germany and the EU did not do anything after the Russian attack on Crimea, because if that had been the case, then today such stories would be completely pointless. Eight years have passed since then, and everything continued as if nothing had happened, and if we had reacted then as we do now, we might have prevented this bloody war that has been going on for months.


Firewood will be used only by those who have the conditions for it, and you cannot use firewood if you live in an apartment building that does not have a chimney - unless you push the stove pipe through the window. If we look at the infographic, less than 50% of German households use gas for heating, the rest have some other alternatives. As I already stated in my previous post, wood can be used for heating, and even without a major impact on the environment if it is used and produced in a sustainable way.

do we always eat chili and consume it, of course this is not friendly to the body. I prefer to use SPICE/REMPAH drinks, like what Asian people do to brew drinks by adding ginger, turmeric, kapulogo and others [whose benefits are the same] we find so many in the asia area, so that not only warmth is obtained but immunity and stamina are maintained in times of extreme weather.

The interesting is that people are not realizing "why" firewood is used right now as alternative and why it is a good thing. The real deal is that Germans realized long time ago Russians can't be trusted and Putin is the evil person in the world today, history always had those evil people, maybe Putin is not as bad as Hitler, but certainly the worst for the world today.

So instead of gas, oil, petrol whatever that you can get from Russia, they would use firewood, but not forever neither. Even though as you mentioned it is not as bad as people imagine, it is still not a forever thing, Europe is trying to build self-energy sustainable ways and when that happens, firewood will slowly fade out again.

Wow, and even the incinerators are not enough. And yes properly designed windows, design the house for maximum sun absorption and heat retention. Unfortunately I don't think those living in flats have much options. I have family in Italy and they complain about the cold and are not running the heater continuously to save on gas (this was even before prices skyrocket). I can imagine it'll be much frigid in Germany. Hope they sort that all out before winter.


I don't know if you're serious about the chili part. That just trick your body into thinking you're hot. That's why Thais love them, they sweat and then it evaporates and cool them down. But yes, food is definitely important in helping keep the body warm. Maybe they can adjust the heating to be lower than they're used to and just put on an extra layer or two of clothing.

The alternative is anything that can help you warm up during the winter, or to cook something to eat if you have no other source of heat. There is a type of tree that grows very fast and I know it has spread a lot in Europe in the last 10-15 years - and it takes about 3-4 years to grow a tree for cultivation. The ash produced by burning wood is a good fertilizer, and it can also be used as a protection against snails if it is sprinkled around the plant. Today, it is also possible to buy smoke filters that significantly reduce pollution - so everything is not as black as many think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulownia

Firewood is not an alternative. How long does it takes for a tree to grow on a hight of 3-4 store house ? 50 years? It takes several days to burn all those logs. And as you say - dust is created after burning logs, and the amount of trees decreases each day, to clean air. That is a a path to nowhere.

Yes, electricity is ill-suit to power the boiler, low efficiency to be used for heating in the winter. If we have more nuclear power, we can reduce the amount of reliance on natural gas. In turn, allow the oil-power boiler to take place. Yes, it was a thing. There is a downsize from oil-power boiler vs gas-power boiler but still a considerable replacement especially the biodiesel mix.
On the world scale, if more nuclear power plants are being built, it'll reduce the number of fossil fuels like coal, oil, and LNG to generate electricity. More available for those resources, supply and demand kick in, and cheaper prices as well.

Japan's Fukushima disaster was the worst. Not just Germany but a lot of countries around that time halted their plan to build new nuclear power plants. To be fair, Japan stood on the Pacific Ring of Fire, they should've known better when built the Fukushima nuclear power plant on their coast.


The Green Party is just a front for renewable energy and oil cartels to hide behind it and spread their agenda. All because of money and profit. Pure greed, I tell you. Thing is changing. In COP26 or 2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference where they sang a different tune, moved nuclear energy to the 'green list', and stop discouraging countries from seeking it.

I don't think so - because of the same logistical problems. In order to resell Russian gas to the European Union in a democratic package, the intermediary must have some kind of surplus, and no one has such surplus now. Hungary recently agreed with Gazprom on additional gas supplies in the amount of several million cubic meters per day, which will come through the Turkish Stream - and this is perhaps all that the European Union can count on. If Hungary wants to share.

Do you know how much forest is burned in fires every year?
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-wildfires
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-wildfires
Any alternative with supplies will cost a lot more due to logistical problems. Therefore, a more likely scenario is the purchase of Russian gas in other countries, and according to documents, it will not come from Russia.

The reality is that Nord Stream 1 is closed for an indefinite period (due to identified malfunctions on the only working Siemens turbine, which are not clear how to fix due to the imposed sanctions), gas from Russia to Europe now flows only through Ukraine and through the Turkish Stream.

It is also realistic that the EU's total gas demand at the end of 2021 was about 550 billion cubic meters per year, with its own production of about 210 billion cubic meters per year (340 billion cubic meters per year the EU imported in total, including about 150 billion cubic meters per year from Russia ). The total capacity of underground gas storage facilities in the European Union is 70 billion cubic meters per year. Everyone has the right to draw their own conclusions.

People will not freeze, but the entire energy-intensive European industry is fucked up.

This is really crazy solution, it shouldn't be done. Using coal in addition to creating ash and dust that pollutes the air also has a lot of impact on the environment. We all know that deforestation will cause environmental hazards, and natural disasters such as droughts, floods, earthquakes are all caused by deforestation. It is difficult to find an alternative to Russian gas in the short term, but the German and EU governments should reconsider the use of firewood instead. It is a step backward for humanity.