Topic: Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar - page 11. (Read 4218 times)

Of course there is, just like there's Western propaganda. One of the first things EU did, was ban Russian state-owned media.
It's safe to assume propaganda and censorship are always happening, the very tricky part is knowing what's real or not.

Is there truly a Russian propaganda? Can you post, and quote examples with links? Thanks. I'm rather curious how those propagandas read like.

Plus it would be very easy to say to go through winter with limited, or no heating and energy if you are not there to experience it. There are real people, FAMILIES, who would suffer, or even also die. I know it was wrong of Putin to order the attack on Ukraine, I'm not saying ignore it. But it's very hard for those ordinary people to go through the coming winter.

What's the sense of using firewood as an alternative for gas shortage if we'll lose our environment and will only cause us natural disasters in the future? I think they should better apply a better solution without harming our ecosystem. We all know that this will have a huge impact on the greenhouse effect. I'm not an environmentalist but I guess it will be better if they will find other ways without harming or cutting trees.

Dear residents of Europe!
1. Do not believe Russian propaganda and its corrupt mongrels in your countries. Ukraine is an economic terrorist and a war criminal, Russia, for many years, from year to year, with hysteria and joy (for Russia, to do an abomination to a neighbor is one of the key goals of life) before the heating season promised that we "will definitely freeze this year without Russian gas !quickly agree to all our conditions!". We sent them and send them, and no one froze, except ... for some of the inhabitants of Russia, where the level of gasification of households is less than 50% This is a fact. And they collect brushwood and fallen trees from ancient times to the present day ... And they will collect, now for many hundreds of years, because. Russia is a technologically backward country, and cannot properly provide its citizens with normal living conditions.
2. Yes, this winter you will be forced to go through some procedure of "removing the pathogenic virus" Russian gas "that hit your economy. Yes, and you will probably have to raise the question - who and how led to the fact that your economy was essentially sold to the management of the country terrorists in order to control politicians, corrupt politicians who are ready to exchange you and your countries for handouts from the Kremlin Nazis, but in 2023 you will be able, by slightly reducing gas consumption, to completely leave Russia's gas needle.
Believe me - it's not as scary as Russian propaganda draws! They always lie and always bully. For example, in Ukraine they have been spitting on them for a long time and ignoring all their "scarecrows"

As long as Russia still covers gas supplies to Germany, then there is an alternative way for people to prepare firewood for sufficient supply for the winter, the demand for wood is increasing because the government has subsidized it, but will it reduce natural greening if the demand for firewood increases?

If the fireplace uses gas for only limited use while the gas is still filled, it will eventually switch to a pallet wood fireplace, but it is unhygienic for indoor use, creating dust that is bad for breathing.

Germany shouldn't have shut down their Nuclear power plants. Tin-foil hats on, but sometimes I believe that the governments around Europe are infiltrated by "its enemies" and cause their leaders to make very stupid policies. Because why did Germany allow themselves to be dependent on Russian gas? Plus Germany's leaders sanctioned Russia, and they complain because Russia won't give them the Natural Gas that they need?

The Black Swan will not be a Black Swan, because we already know what will come "next". I'm too afraid to say "it", but countries like New Zealand, South Africa, and Iceland will be the safest destinations if "it" will happen.

It is no longer just a question of the price of gas, but the question of whether there will be enough of it, given that the EU began to face decreasing supplies from alternative sources where it mostly relied on the US, which according to some news can no longer keep up the same pace as before. In addition, Norway also announced that it had to reduce gas deliveries due to regular maintenance.

Firewood is certainly not an ideal option, but at the moment it is something that can provide additional insurance in the event of a gas shortage. In my area, more or less everyone has gas heating, but they also have wood/pallet stoves, which we will use if necessary.

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If they are the only problem, why don't we ask them nicely to play penguin this winter and make sacrifices for everyone else? Joking aside, I have already said several times that all these stories about freezing are overemphasized and are part of Russian propaganda, which in this way tries to influence the even greater destabilization of the EU.

Meanwhile, in Hungary, the Russian company Rosatom is starting to build two new nuclear reactors, because Orban has no problems with the war in Ukraine.

Firewood as a solution to high gas price? Ridiculous. Worse decision ever. What next, go to caves and prey hunting? How long do they plan to replace gas with firewood? Few years and there will be no trees on the earth.


Much bigger minus is that it takes ages for tree to grow...


I have a fireplace also, but its purpose is to heat biggest room only. I know that is individual, but one fireplace usually dont heat whole house, but having multiple fireplaces at home is an expensive investment during construction period, it limits useful space at home. And keeping fire creates minor inconveniences. It is not pull the handle and go to sleep.

Do you know how long oak dries to burn well in the oven?
My problems with ignition disappeared only in the second year.
This problem can be solved by ordering firewood in advance and letting it dry, but as a rule, firewood is bought when it runs out And sellers will not bring dry firewood.

You need to separate 2 things: this is a fireplace in the house and a stove for a bath.
I have a gas heated house and have not used a fireplace for many years, but if there are problems with gas or electricity, then a fireplace can be used.

And for a Russian bath, it doesn’t matter what kind of firewood to use, I won’t notice the difference. But oak firewood is consumed less than aspen or birch.

A couple of years ago if you told someone that in the year 2022 the Europeans would be arguing about the types of wood they should burn to keep warm in the winter while their media talked about consuming expired foods with mold and shit, they would have placed you in the loony bin

All you have to do is wait for it to dry.


That will be where you live.


No because I never put wood that is not dry in the fireplace.


Pine and aspen are garbage for fireplaces the first for being resinous and the second for being soft.

The suggestion to burn firewood is a retrograde step. We moved from firewood to natural gas many decades ago. It is retarded to even think about going back. Firewood is neither environmentally friendly, nor healthy. It produces much more soot and ash, when compared to natural gas. I am not saying that natural gas is the safest option that is available. But at least with natural gas, the pollution levels are much lower when compared to firewood and coal. People come up with all sort of crazy suggestions when there is a shortage of natural gas. This talk will just die down when gas becomes more abundant again.

Firewood?
Sustainable?
How about: *polluting*, *extremely unhealthy* the reason firewood is not used that much anymore is because of the problems it comes with. Wooden gas burner is not a solution, think about the environment as well, how many wild trees would be cut down just because people will try and sell it illegally once the prices sore. It's not an alternative, is not an option, we all need to learn about environment friendly options and at the end make things better not just for us but for our future generations as well.

One solution is a wood gas burner. The furnace starts up as a normal wood burner and when it heats up begins to produce wood gas that can be sent back to the burner or to a generator and power up the house. It depends on how big your burner is and how much gas can it produce. Burners are expensive, but when you start getting 10k EUR bills like that one posted earlier in this thread buying one starts to make a lot of sense. For 10k EUR you can get a full installation that will generate enough wood gas for you to have hot water, a warm house and get you at least 5KW of constant power.

You can even run cars on wood gas. The conversion doesn't look pretty but it works.
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

On the second pic, the one that is smaller where there are people climbing on it. I think it looks like a coconut tree? But maybe it was called a bamboo on your country. That's true that it can produce a wine. That was the livelihood of the people on our place. It's tree has a lot of use cases other than extracting a wine on it.

You can also make a broomstick out of it and the wood can also be use to build a house and furniture but of course it works great as a firewood. It can last longer than a normal/real bamboo wood because it's more thicker. Looking for alternatives is fine but they shouldn't abused it because trees are also important.

I'm talking about this:
https://www.buderus.de/de/pelletkessel
And if you don't trust me then probably you would believe a company with billions of revenue from selling just heating systems and every single type of pellet burning for boilers central heating and this is how those pellets are harvested.

As for oak and walnut nobody uses those because despite having a high caloric input they are worth more as furniture, rather than burning a cubic meter of walnut you make a table out of it and buy 20mc3 of beech with that price   And if you think about leftovers, those are made into, pellets .

Oh btw, I can smell where that confusion is coming, pellets, wood briquettes, same stuff for me.


Cause if Germany would cut gas consumption tomorrow there wouldn't be a crisis anymore. If Bulgaria would do the same it would not matter as they burn about 20 times less. If tomorrow Coinfield is hacked nobody will care, if Binance's coins are gone, we're going to go through a lot of pain...

Oak firewood has a big minus. Oak takes a very long time to dry. And as a rule, firewood is sold immediately after the tree has been cut down.
Therefore, you will have problems lighting the stove, or you will have to chop wood into smaller chips and use lighter fluids. Pine, birch, aspen dries very quickly.

Probably because Germany is the biggest economy within EU, and largely relied on Russian gas.

Natural gas used to cost less than that for most homes. Using 15 m³ of fire wood is terribly inefficient and heavily polluting. That's okay in remote areas, but not in cities where far too many houses stand close together.

I will only ask one very simple question, why is the entire energy situation viewed only through the prism of Germany? The EU has a total of 27 member states, and each of them will try to adapt to the energy crisis in their own way, and as always, some will be more successful than others.

As for firewood, I can say that in my country this type of heating is still very popular, especially considering gas prices. 1 cubic meter of mixed firewood (oak, beech, ash, wild cherry, hornbeam...) costs on average about 50 EUR, and an average household needs about 15 meters of wood for an average winter. We should add the costs of cutting, as well as the splitting of wood, which is about 10 EUR per meter.

All in all, the cost of heating for one house would be less than 1000 EUR, although this method of heating has disadvantages compared to gas. Instead of a thermostat that needs to be turned on or off, wood needs to be bought, cut, split and stored, and furnaces and chimneys cleaned, which many people don't want.

In Russia, stove heating is quite widespread in rural areas, as the main or backup source of heat. Birch is usually used as firewood in my region and occasionally, about once a month, they heat the stove with aspen to clean the chimney and reduce the risk of fire. Oak and walnut are almost never used as firewood, because these tree species are not common in my region. The main rule for stove heating is that firewood must be dry, ideally you need to store firewood for the next year, and heat the stove with last year's stocks. Damp wood produces little heat and a lot of smoke.