Topic: Germans are looking to firewood for energy as natural gas prices soar - page 9. (Read 4216 times)

I am a bit confused. I thought that by December the EU will completely stop importing gas from Russia. And the so called "price cap" is for the crude oil exports from Russia and not for gas (pipeline and LNG). And the price cap is to be implemented by non-EU countries who import Russian fuel, but China has already announced that they will not impose this limit. India has remained uncommitted, and may or may not agree to a cap. But the Russian government has already made their plans clear. No Russian fuel for countries that impose the price cap. So in case India impose this limit, then they will not get any imports from Russia.

Americans can easily put an end to this torture. The government can ask the shale oil/gas producers to increase their production. But then, why should they do that? American gas and oil companies are swimming in cash from their exports to the EU. It is beneficial for them to keep the prices high. We are just focusing on Russia profiting from the increased gas price, but no one wants to talk about how much profit the Americans are making.

For now Russia should thank EU for getting more money than ever!

EU plans to implement a price cap on Russian gas, but only starting December 5. And I don't expect the cap to be at normal prices, which would mean a 95% reduction from what we're currently paying. So EU will keep paying more money for less gas. Talk about backfiring!

Traditional - that is the problem. I doubt that a newbie European is able to install Korsi properly based on YouTube videos. Without experience, people could not only burn their place down, but also die from poisonous carbon monoxide. People are used to "switch something on" and forget about it. They will most probably start a fire place at home, forget about ventilation (not to lose warmth), go to sleep and never wake up.

How about using "Korsi"?



This is an Iranian traditional way of getting warm in at least a hundred years ago when there were no gas pipelines all throughout the country. Basically in addition to a fireplace, our ancestors used to go under these things to remain warm.
The benefit is that it is pretty cheap while efficient since you don't need to burn wood. It can also be used anywhere without needing a "fireplace".

It's pretty simple and you can build it yourself. It consists of 4 main parts:
1. Table
It's a pretty simple 4 leg wooden table, depending on the number of people it could be of any size but usually a medium size table would work since the actual bigger space is provided by the big ass blanket like the picture below. The height shouldn't be enough to have enough space between the heat source and the ceiling.

2. Blanket
It needs to be big so that multiple people can go under it around the table and it needs to be thick to not let the heat out.


The size is flexible depending on the number of people or if for example you live in a tiny apartment:


3. A cover
Usually a simple pretty cloth is thrown over the blanket, to prevent it from getting dirty considering that food and snacks were placed on Korsi.

4. Heat source
The modern versions used for nostalgic purposes use electric heater but since we are talking about high energy costs and burning wood, the old traditional "brazier" should be used here.
It's usually a "metal container" to hold the red hot charcoal and it is placed under the table at the middle, usually in a hole at the bottom or dangling from the ceiling.
Considering charcoal is cheap and you don't need to exactly burn it like firewood so you don't need to use much of it. A handful should suffice to keep you warm.


There is a trick to increase efficiency which is to cover the bottom of the brazier with ash and place the charcoals in the middle.

P.S. Be careful not to burn your place down

Just remember that Russia hasn't exporting natural gas to Europe completely. The Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline is still transporting gas from Russia to Europe through Ukraine (although at a reduced capacity). I am not sure for how long this will continue, but for now EU should thank Russia for whatever gas they are getting. BTW, the gas prices are so high that Russia will get the same amount of profit even if they sell 5% of the volumes that they sold in 2020. And I am sure that they are selling much more than that. 

Back to the basic. Now it will result in more deforestation and coal consumption
But I am sure these all situation are going to bring a lot of changes on the global scale.
German are moving ahead of time - so that they are fully prepared  before the winter

It seems that firewood has indeed become an alternative for some citizens. but they have to think about environmental factors and how so that when they take firewood it doesn't damage the environment. They have to study the tree ecosystem and choose which timber trees are fast growing and which are not. what worries me is that today there is not as much green forest as it used to be. even in every country the forest area continues to narrow. because many are dismantled and used as industrial land or residential land or the like. even the forests that still exist are sometimes cut down without being replanted. awareness of nature seems to have decreased in various countries in this hemisphere.

Willow are the fastest growing trees but even that will take 3 to 4 years for a proper stock cycle, I would estimate 2 years for emergency type turn around with reduced timber so unfortunately all these plans have come a bit late.    Its going to be the case that Germany requires a plan on every type of energy and between all those alternatives a solution is found plus we hope the winter is less harsh then originally feared.

That is why I advocate for countries to go nuclear. Starting with at least half of the total electricity needs come from nuclear power plants. The rest can be filled with hydro dams, renewable energy, and other fossil fuel dependence. If you're from countries with a winter season, the effect of being less dependent on fossil fuel for electricity around the world help to lower the price of coal, natural gas, LNG, propane,... which are very efficient for the heating needs.

Of course, nuclear power has been heavily propagandized by the oil cartels, to keep it at bay because of their greed. We saw oil cartel's propaganda under the guide of how to reduce CO2 emissions only, on renewable energy only because the oil cartels know things like that will never threaten their business.

In Argentina, inflation is 70%, in Turkey 80%, and in the European Union only about 10%. I remember the times in the 1990s, when inflation in Russia was several thousand percent per annum. And nothing - somehow survived. Of course, many Europeans will have to give up their usual level of comfort and consumption, but perhaps it will even benefit them. Strategically important enterprises will take advantage of targeted government assistance, private citizens will receive subsidies to pay utility bills, I am sure that Europe has a margin of safety to survive this winter. It’s a little pitiful for small businesses, all sorts of cafes and restaurants that already receive huge electricity bills that they cannot afford, but such is the life and fate of small businesses - in any cataclysms, they are the first to go under the knife, but the first is then restored.


 

Glad to be there, it's like a badge of honor.

But since I don't think you have LoyceV on the ignore list and since he was the one asking you where your numbers about the fact that even full EU gas reserves won't last more than two weeks I think you owe a few answers o those that might still even think you're not just some Iranian propagandist who spreads only lies here.

But well, facts are not something you really want to discuss, right?


Be careful what you say, some FSB agents who confuse The sims for sims cards might not get your sarcasm, would be better to reinforce your windows rather than sell that wood to the poor freezing germans.
How many of those gas and oil industry CEOs have taken the final jump after providing the numbers Putin didn't want this year?

You are right, The United States Defense Department is the name of THE Iranian Media and that eagle thing is THE logo of the Iran's national TV and The Planet releasing the satelite images of the aftermath is an Iranian company

In other words you had nothing to say about any of the points I raised and are just wasting my time by going off-topic.
Back to ignore list. I wonder where you live though and how does your energy bill feel like with all the gas that is "stored"...

Well, it's nice, at least someone is doing well. I also think that the European Union will be able to cope without the supply of energy resources from Russia and there is no need to dramatize the situation. And if the firewood runs out, you can heat the stoves with books by Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, to spite Putin.

Which never happened anywhere else but in Iranian media.

Again, this only happened if you twist the words and change the person and the country to which he was referring.


A picture worth 100 million propagandists:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2021&locations=IR-IL&start=2009


Oh sorry, my bad I forgot you're an antisemite, so let me redo this, let's try another economic global power:


 


First paragraph:

Feel free to comment on what LoyceV has asked you about the gas supply and why you claimed what you did while knowing shit.
Better luck next time, come with a different story and make it more believable!

Germany remains the most exposed, as it is almost entirely dependent on Russian gas imports. Despite having by far the largest storage tanks in Europe, its demand for gas is equally large and its tanks only hold 108 days of consumption – full tanks would run dry on February 16 and they are currently only 60% full, which would be emptied on December 8 if Russia turned off the gas tomorrow.

EU​​ Gas represents 21.5% of EU's primary energy consumption. It is the dominant source of energy for households (32.1%)

Storage levels and storage capacity vary greatly in the EU (chart). The tanks in Poland and Portugal are already close to 100% full. However, even the full tanks in Poland and Portugal are not enough to get through the whole winter. They hold enough gas for 79 days of consumption and 24 days respectively. That means without new supplies during the winter they would run out of gas by January 18 and November 24 respectively if all gas supplies were cut off from the current levels of gas stored.

Indeed, this is the case for all the countries of Europe; most countries’ storage doesn’t hold enough gas to last the whole winter. The exceptions are the Slovak Republic and Austria (chart), where their tanks do hold enough gas to get to the end of the heating season if full. Everyone else starts running out of gas as soon as October (assuming gas withdrawals start on October 1, but a mild winter means drawdowns can start as late as the start of November), although some survive until February. Czechia is in the third best position, as its tanks can last to April 5 if full.
(https://www.intellinews.com/how-many-days-of-gas-consumption-are-in-europe-s-storage-tanks-250065/)

Not just in a raid, in multiple openly admitted attacks against US bases in North Africa and Middle East like Al-Asad airbase and Erbil.

You probably know more than former CENTCOM commander Gen. McKenzie.

I don't think I've said that. Sanctions definitely have hurt Iranians but they never achieved what they wanted them to achieve, in fact it did the exact opposite.

LOL

I never said "agreed to" I said they already paid and it wasn't 2 billion it was half a billion:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-nazanin-uk-iran-b2037030.html
Funny how they paid this much money only for these two specific people and don't even give a shit about the other 6 or 7 UK nationals in Iranian prisons.

Feel free to prove the points I raised here or here are wrong kiddo.

Iranian propaganda office!
Haven't you seen what he's up to lately, Iran destroyed 1 trillion of US equipment in a raid, Iran is the new of the world superpower, Iran doesn't care about sanctions, 6000 US soldiers have been killed by Iran special forces, Iran has destroyed 2 F35 in combat, UK has agreed to pay 2 billion for two spies captured by Iran, all the same bullshit.
His latest piece of comedy was :


He's lost all his marbles!

Europe data is free for everyone to look at it real time:
https://agsi.gie.eu/

The storage is full by 81.55% and was still rising despite NS1 being shut down, it has 907TWh worth of gas and that is enough currently for 21.85% of the annual consumption without any!!! any imports or internal production, gas coming from Norway, Romania, Netherlands or Algeria, and Azerbaijan.

There is no reliable sources for any data which is affecting national security during war times! Not to mention that there are already enough protests around Europe.

It is a simple analysis: Where did Germany get that much gas to fill the storages? It's a matter of supply and consumption, there is significantly decreased supply + slightly decreased consumption; so there is definitely no excess gas to be added to storage.

1. Russia significantly decreased the gas exports very early in the war (down to 40% and 20% exports to EU and they even recently shut down Nord Stream I which is completely removing part of that export).
2. Germany hasn't been able to secure other sources either.
2.1. US hasn't fulfilled the promises and they even created 2 fake explosions in their LNG ports which aren't going to be fixed this year (they needed to dump that gas domestically to keep the price down inside US and save their own economy).
2.2. No success with Canada (they keep saying they can send LNG but they haven't yet!)
2.3. Qatar, Iraq, other Arabs haven't been able to increase their production to send anything major to Europe let alone to Germany. Not to mention they already have other customers elsewhere that have increased their own demands.
2.4. Iran with one of the biggest gas reserves isn't going to send anything (oil or gas) towards EU any time soon
2.5. Turkey (a lot of gas was going through it towards Europe) is being greedy and wants to get gas for $350 then resell it to Europe for $4200 so at least 14 billion cubic meter (that's the confirmed amount which could be higher) export to Turkey was halted.
3. For the very little gas left in the global market, there is a lot of demand elsewhere specially in other parts of Europe, not much is left for Germany.
4. Germany does't have the capability to go in another country and either steal their gas or force them to give it to them like what Brits and French have been doing over the past couple of months in North African and West Asia.

The best case scenario is that they haven't yet touched the stockpiles and the storages are a little less than half full. If you add the amount US promised to send (but hasn't yet) to this amount you get to about 85%.
This is one of the contributing factors to Uniper needing $19 billion bailout money.

One way or another, that will happen at some point. It's simply math: Wikipedia puts "us" at 1.1% growth. That's 5.6 million percent in 1000 years, or about 450 trillion people. With less than 145 million km² land surface area, that's a cosy 3 people per m². I'm pretty sure "we" start killing each other long before that, but I'm kinda hoping to reach a more peaceful equilibrium.

For me the main problem is having 7.7 billion people on earth and growing. Production has also increased exponentially but resources are not infinite. I hope that there will come a time when growth stops, stabilizes and may even start to decrease, but it is not clear to me to what extent the natural resources will be able to withstand so many billion parasites gobbling them up.